| 00:02.00 | lundman | wow fpaste is terrible. changes background to black, then ASSUMES my font colour is anything but black |
| 00:02.17 | lundman | no worse, doesnt change background, sets only foreground |
| 00:37.42 | lundman | yay, I managed to change mele ICS4 beta resolution to VGA, 1080p |
| 00:37.57 | ManoftheSea | yey! |
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| 00:39.09 | lundman | or did I hmm |
| 00:41.49 | lundman | got the boot logo on VGA, then the rest on HDMI, but at 1080p |
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| 01:19.25 | lundman | ok so script.bin is just for boot. Not entirely sure where to set the resolution android is to use |
| 01:29.10 | lundman | script.bin seems to use 4 for VGA, but kernel has 8 for VGA. 4 results in de/disp_tv.c complaining about dac 1 short to ground |
| 02:04.03 | lundman | dang, now it just panics :) need to find nand_sun4i.ko somewhere |
| 03:01.27 | Turl | mnemoc: some of the cleaned up license files seem to contain both the old and new "licenses" like https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/blob/3fa5e74d6ab3a678733e92f694515f045077c9a3/drivers/block/sun4i_nand/src/physic/nand_simple_w.c |
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| 03:20.10 | lundman | ok sun4i_nand.ko is in neither .img files |
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| 05:18.00 | lundman | 仕様が無い i guess I compile the kernel :) |
| 05:39.10 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: hipboi master * r65217d21d503 /allwinner_a10/android_ics.mdwn: |
| 05:42.10 | eFfeM_work | gm everyone |
| 05:42.49 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: hipboi master * r0480cb00db94 /allwinner_a10/android_ics.mdwn: |
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| 05:57.44 | specing | Yay updates! |
| 05:59.38 | lundman | :) |
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| 06:03.14 | specing | hipboi's wedding announcement: http://imgur.com/gallery/uFmQ7 :D |
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| 06:05.48 | hipboi | specing: what? |
| 06:06.22 | specing | Hehe :) |
| 06:06.37 | specing | Does it open for you? |
| 06:08.22 | hipboi | yes, i opened on throuth vtunnel |
| 06:08.32 | hipboi | Mr. and Mrs. Chou? |
| 06:08.50 | hipboi | i've never heard of this movie |
| 06:08.51 | lundman | the humour outweighs the racism :) |
| 06:09.25 | specing | hipboi: disregard names :) |
| 06:09.35 | specing | lundman: There is no racism in that! |
| 06:09.43 | specing | Is there? |
| 06:10.03 | lundman | so, changing script.bin for ICS4 only changes resolution during boot, not in android, when changing to VGA |
| 06:10.46 | lundman | :) |
| 06:19.17 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: eFfeM master * rb8fdd3bf1ea5 /allwinner_a10/android_ics.mdwn: use letter X instead of b to avoid users with two disks nuking their 2nd disk by doing just cut&paste |
| 06:20.39 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: eFfeM master * r44a7123e2825 /allwinner_a10/android_ics.mdwn: added language change text |
| 06:21.29 | lundman | wait, wait, hold your horses.. thats a new ics4 image |
| 06:21.36 | eFfeM_work | hipboi: thanks for the ICS page. I've added a few small notes based on my experiences this weekend |
| 06:22.02 | hipboi | eFfeM_work: thanks |
| 06:22.49 | lundman | I'm always last to find these things out.. dropping everything to try it :) |
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| 06:25.35 | lundman | any mirrors for homlet_4.0_v1.0_20120609_dd.img.lzma ? I'll offer it too when I have it |
| 06:29.09 | specing | torrent it |
| 06:29.18 | eFfeM_work | still working on a simple way to add market |
| 06:29.50 | lundman | alas, network team thinks all torrent/winny to be PureEvil |
| 06:30.28 | lundman | even for legal things. Amusing, me having a giant binary mirror for everything is not an issue |
| 06:30.34 | lundman | +ly |
| 06:41.36 | lundman | mirror: http://www.lundman.net/ftp/mele/homlet_4.0_v1.0_20120609_dd.img.lzma |
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| 06:54.05 | specing | lundman: What network team? |
| 06:54.27 | lundman | yay, I can change resolution |
| 06:54.30 | lundman | specing: at work |
| 06:57.27 | lundman | hey, and GooglePlay is on there |
| 06:57.53 | RITRedbeard | Ugh, Dealextreme lied to me. Got email saying the MK802 supposedly in stock is now on backorder. |
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| 07:18.38 | rm | get it from aliexpress |
| 07:18.51 | rm | $70 for the model with 1GB of RAM |
| 07:20.35 | specing | https://imgur.com/gallery/p9GYl .... I think water has issues |
| 07:20.36 | mnemoc | rm: the most absurd is the same seller sells it for $99 in their site |
| 07:20.40 | lundman | MXPlayer seems to do best, but some stutter on 1080p |
| 07:21.18 | mnemoc | Turl: uhm |
| 07:21.52 | rm | RITRedbeard, http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/578381563--69-99-Only-MK802-Mini-PC-Mini-Android4-0-dongle-android-IPTV-google-tv-smart-wholesalers.html |
| 07:21.59 | rm | mnemoc, well whatever :) |
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| 07:22.27 | mnemoc | Turl: but the nand driver has not been "fixed" by Tom yet. poke him about it :) |
| 07:22.33 | rm | I think I bought something from them via the Aliexpress and it was more expensive on their site; no problems whatsoever |
| 07:23.02 | hipboi | mnemoc: what nand driver? |
| 07:23.35 | mnemoc | hipboi: < Turl> mnemoc: some of the cleaned up license files seem to contain both the old and new "licenses" like https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/blob/3fa5e74d6ab3a678733e92f694515f045077c9a3/drivers/block/sun4i_nand/src/physic/nand_simple_w.c |
| 07:23.43 | Mazon | how does add to cart work on aliexpress ? - wouldn't you get multiple packages typically? |
| 07:24.11 | mnemoc | Mazon: one product (any quantity) per order |
| 07:24.35 | lundman | i bought just one mele from ali/cubie |
| 07:24.36 | Mazon | aye, but different products |
| 07:24.46 | Mazon | for instance mele and mk802 = 2 packages? |
| 07:24.51 | RITRedbeard | rm, thanks, I'll cancel my current order which I think is now on backorder/preorder and get it from there |
| 07:24.53 | RITRedbeard | :) |
| 07:24.59 | hipboi | mnemoc: so the old copyright should be removed? |
| 07:25.22 | rm | mnemoc, uhm no |
| 07:25.33 | rm | you can order many products if they're all from the same seller |
| 07:25.56 | rm | but they will coalesce into one order only if you choose some fancy shipping method, afaik |
| 07:25.58 | rm | so yes :) |
| 07:26.09 | RITRedbeard | ah! |
| 07:26.15 | RITRedbeard | damnit rm ! |
| 07:26.15 | mnemoc | hipboi: you can't mix "all rights reserved" with GPL ever |
| 07:26.18 | RITRedbeard | they told me it was on backorder and it was a mistake |
| 07:26.29 | RITRedbeard | turns out I am getting the 512MB model from dealextreme |
| 07:26.30 | RITRedbeard | :| |
| 07:26.40 | rm | RITRedbeard, doesn't DX sell MK802 massively more expensive and it's only 512M still |
| 07:26.41 | hipboi | mnemoc: ok, i will fix it soon |
| 07:27.24 | mnemoc | rm: for me it spawns new orders even if you "combine" products from the same seller |
| 07:28.21 | mnemoc | hipboi: great! when I commented Turl's message I didn't have noticed you had indeed fixed the nand |
| 07:29.49 | mnemoc | hipboi: btw, thanks a lot for the dd-able ics image |
| 07:30.00 | hipboi | : ) |
| 07:31.01 | RITRedbeard | wonders how difficult return process is for dealextreme |
| 07:31.33 | lundman | I used the dd image too |
| 07:31.42 | lundman | couple of panics so far, but very nice |
| 07:36.53 | mnemoc | RITRedbeard: if it's not "packaging" yet you can cancel the order |
| 07:37.45 | RITRedbeard | We're glad to inform you that your order xxxx has just been fulfilled and shipped on [Monday, 18 June 2012 05:48].It's now on the way to your destination. |
| 07:38.13 | mnemoc | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18440979 |
| 07:38.24 | mnemoc | RITRedbeard: :( |
| 07:38.47 | Mazon | why is no one worried about the voltage protection issue with the mk802? |
| 07:39.19 | Mazon | is it FUD ? |
| 07:39.30 | RITRedbeard | voltage protection issue? link/elaborate please? |
| 07:39.54 | mnemoc | RITRedbeard: the hdmi connector doesn't have any of the required protections |
| 07:40.21 | RITRedbeard | electronicaly, you mean? |
| 07:40.24 | Mazon | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.netbook.arm/2913 |
| 07:40.36 | mnemoc | mele a1000/a2000 for the win! :) |
| 07:41.21 | mnemoc | there is huge value on the extra $20 they cost |
| 07:41.41 | Mazon | a2000 is prefered, right ? |
| 07:42.15 | mnemoc | a1000 seems extint :( |
| 07:42.24 | Mazon | looking forward to the geniatech, a9 dual core |
| 07:43.26 | mnemoc | hipboi: any expected date when the details of sun6i will be made public? |
| 07:43.31 | RITRedbeard | "B. If your order has already been shipped, you may return the item in it's original condition (unused and unopened) to us postmarked within 30 calendar days of delivery (*see definition below). In that case we will refund you the payment excluding actual shipping fees already incurred. Actual shipping fees incurred are determined by the weight of each returned product and by the way it was sent (e.g. EMS, DHL, Regular/Regis |
| 07:43.32 | RITRedbeard | tered Airmail, etc)." |
| 07:44.00 | hipboi | mnemoc: it's top secret : ) |
| 07:44.15 | mnemoc | hipboi: meh :( |
| 07:44.21 | RITRedbeard | That's not so bad, but what if by the time I receive the 512MB, the 1GB goes out of stock? :( |
| 07:44.24 | RITRedbeard | drats |
| 07:44.40 | mnemoc | hipboi: can you tell if it will before or after iMX.6? :) |
| 07:44.42 | RITRedbeard | my bank account is a little light so not too comfortable juggling around |
| 07:44.58 | hipboi | i think will before imx.6 |
| 07:45.02 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 07:46.51 | Mazon | really looking forward to the next generation of arm boards (omap5, imx6 etc) |
| 07:47.00 | Mazon | going to be much more general purpose |
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| 07:51.28 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r6b3b3ef86cd2 /allwinner_a10/orders/ (7 files): order processing clanup |
| 07:52.11 | lundman | wait, so how much memory is in A2000? |
| 07:55.10 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rd34e0c26a329 /allwinner_a10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): move page to correct location |
| 07:58.19 | Mazon | 512 |
| 07:58.23 | Mazon | but 4GB nand afaik |
| 07:59.35 | RITRedbeard | Ugh, the return process sounds like a pain and they refund you via paypal? |
| 08:00.05 | RITRedbeard | Off hand, can you withdraw money from paypal and say deposit into checking account? |
| 08:00.13 | RITRedbeard | I mean, it's double the RAM |
| 08:06.08 | rm | are you going to ship stuff to china just because of "wah 512MB RAM" |
| 08:06.55 | RITRedbeard | Probably not. |
| 08:09.27 | Mazon | anyone using an a2000 for general purpose 24/7 server? |
| 08:09.37 | lundman | not yet |
| 08:09.55 | Mazon | thinking about downgrading my existing core 2 due e8400 - which is way overpowered |
| 08:10.12 | Mazon | *duo |
| 08:10.38 | Mazon | lundman, why not yet? |
| 08:11.41 | lundman | just got the official ICS4 image today, trying it out now :) |
| 08:12.59 | lundman | ok, the 1080p stutter is only when playing over network. If the file is local, it is smooth |
| 08:13.07 | lundman | so need to find some tweaks for network play |
| 08:14.16 | rm | > for general purpose 24/7 server |
| 08:14.21 | rm | > just got the official ICS4 image |
| 08:14.23 | rm | does not compute |
| 08:14.51 | lundman | i took it to mean "actually use the device" but I suppose if you fixate on the word "server" to mean generic unix server |
| 08:14.54 | lundman | then no |
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| 08:25.39 | lundman | setprop net.tcp.buffersize.default 4096,87380,524288,4096,16384,110208 seems to lessen stutter, but is not as smooth as local storage |
| 08:26.47 | Mazon | wired? |
| 08:27.01 | lundman | wired |
| 08:27.06 | Mazon | odd |
| 08:27.36 | lundman | getting real sick of watching this sample :) |
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| 08:35.00 | malmrose_ | lundman, what's the bitrate of the sample? |
| 08:35.25 | lundman | it is |
| 08:35.48 | lundman | Bit rate : 24.0 Mbps |
| 08:35.49 | lundman | Maximum bit rate : 37.0 Mbps |
| 08:36.27 | malmrose_ | does the mele have a gigabit ethernet port |
| 08:37.16 | lundman | no idea, I'm on 100M |
| 08:37.55 | lundman | straight up bluray .ts rip, so max is 4mb/s |
| 08:38.20 | malmrose_ | 37 Mbps would be a significant saturation of the line |
| 08:38.22 | lundman | but mele seems to perhaps have issues with eth0 interrupts while decoding |
| 08:38.38 | malmrose_ | but I would think a 4mbps would be smooth |
| 08:40.36 | lundman | it can play it fine from local, and it can download it to local over 40mpb |
| 08:40.42 | lundman | just can't play it over network |
| 08:40.56 | lundman | (without some stutter) |
| 08:42.31 | lundman | the scene 1080p mkv seems to play ok though, so that's something |
| 08:42.31 | malmrose_ | it would be interesting to compare if wifi is better or worse |
| 08:43.35 | lundman | yeah, will do |
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| 08:45.30 | malmrose_ | I've watched enough youtube over wifi, and that's pretty smooth, but likely pretty low bitrates. |
| 08:46.42 | lundman | just testing youtiube now actually |
| 08:48.21 | kaspter | there are also some issue when playback .3gp file |
| 08:48.59 | lundman | youtube seemed nice, even the 1080p |
| 08:49.06 | lundman | but yeah, its not exactly bluray |
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| 09:14.04 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: eFfeM master * r52ff648ab5ef /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android_ics.mdwn: added mirror |
| 09:14.56 | zenitraM | flashes ICS |
| 09:26.55 | zenitraM | it properly plays mpeg2 dvb-t streams \o/ |
| 09:30.05 | zenitraM | and also mpeg4/h264 HD ones |
| 09:32.02 | zenitraM | with proper drivers, a built-in usb dvb-t dongle, and a bit of software this could make into a decent set-top-box/pvr |
| 09:33.32 | Mazon | or add a hdhomerun to your network |
| 09:35.09 | zenitraM | with linux + kernel module for dvb-t + tvheadend that is plain easy |
| 09:37.50 | arisel | *still debugging* how do i get a framebuffer/console to run on a a10? |
| 09:38.30 | zenitraM | modprobe disp; modprobe lcd; modprobe hdmi |
| 09:38.42 | arisel | thx |
| 09:39.46 | arisel | sometimes i feel like 15 years ago.. writing everything in rc.local because of no interest in learning upstart ;) |
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| 10:19.56 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Jean-Luc_Aufranc master * r0fd78b67ed87 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android_ics.mdwn: |
| 10:30.08 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Jean-Luc_Aufranc master * r49090788bb18 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android_ics.mdwn: |
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| 10:52.50 | arisel | hmm.. don't get the display to work under linaro-ubuntu :( I guess I'm still missing sth for my hardware. Everything loads, but nothing shows ;) Maybe it's running on the hdmi output (as xrandr shows a resolution of 1280x720), but I don't get it to change. |
| 11:00.37 | specing | Don't you have a hdmi display somewhere? |
| 11:00.55 | arisel | I have.. but i still miss the adapters.. |
| 11:00.58 | arisel | :( |
| 11:01.58 | arisel | (I will change that later this evening, though) |
| 11:02.29 | specing | Just make sure you dont spend over $10 on it |
| 11:02.46 | specing | Some (most) stores here have them horribly overpriced |
| 11:02.54 | arisel | *nods* should be more like 4Eur |
| 11:02.59 | specing | yes |
| 11:03.21 | specing | I got mine (mini to normal) for 5E |
| 11:03.24 | specing | 2m |
| 11:03.45 | arisel | fun fact is that I bought one for a friend's camera on saturday. But then I still thought I wouldn't need it.. |
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| 11:05.37 | arisel | specing: however.. atm xrandr just gives me one screen and one output. So I guess I should write either a correct xorg.conf choosing the internal lcd or need different kernel modules. But I'm running out of ideas.. |
| 11:06.01 | arisel | ..since i don't know the correct output names and have no idea how to choose :) |
| 11:13.05 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r42e51d64a3f5 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android_ics.mdwn: tidyup |
| 11:13.05 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rc97320682db0 /: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.hands.com/rhombus |
| 11:13.15 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rb68228e5c61d /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android_ics.mdwn: add torrent location |
| 11:17.18 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r8e4a0c623ae2 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android_ics.mdwn: add mirror |
| 11:19.26 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rae2506b0dcf0 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android_ics.mdwn: remove your, replace with the; add warning about erasing image |
| 11:20.05 | arisel | (args) |
| 11:26.30 | mnemoc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkR6_7cw4p8 <-- mk802's factory |
| 11:27.41 | xenoxaos | interesting |
| 11:29.32 | specing | Whats up with everyone having transflash cards show up under /dev/sd* ? |
| 11:29.53 | specing | They show up under /dev/mmcblkXpY here |
| 11:30.16 | xenoxaos | depends on what interface its hooked up to |
| 11:30.22 | xenoxaos | mmc = sdio interface |
| 11:30.36 | xenoxaos | sdx = probably usb/sd adapter |
| 11:31.48 | specing | lspci: 0e:06.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 22) |
| 11:31.49 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: hipboi master * rf10f27817ee5 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android_ics.mdwn: |
| 11:32.20 | xenoxaos | interesting |
| 11:33.40 | specing | I think it should be integrated into the southbridge, no? |
| 11:33.56 | specing | I haven't managed to skin my laptop completely yet though |
| 11:35.25 | lundman | cool |
| 11:35.52 | lundman | any of you kernel buffs know if there is something I could work on in the nic driver to improve the stuttering |
| 11:36.06 | xenoxaos | i've only seen cards show up as mmcblkxpy under arm SoCs |
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| 11:36.55 | specing | This is an intel laptop |
| 11:37.29 | specing | unfortunately... |
| 11:37.45 | xenoxaos | for laptops i prefer intel |
| 11:39.28 | specing | I'd rather have ARM/MIPS/tile 4+ core laptop if it was available.... |
| 11:39.57 | xenoxaos | ....i wish i could find a toshiba ac100 |
| 11:40.02 | xenoxaos | that would be a fun one to play with |
| 11:41.59 | specing | 8 core?! |
| 11:42.27 | specing | ah, only two A9 |
| 11:42.44 | specing | Dammit, why does marketing always add up and put it in bold? |
| 11:44.04 | specing | d'oh, its junk if you ask me |
| 11:44.27 | specing | you can get an eee for $300 |
| 11:44.27 | xenoxaos | it looks fun though |
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| 12:32.50 | Mazon | anyone seen http://gooseberry.atspace.co.uk/ ? |
| 12:34.53 | Mazon | no lan, what a shame |
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| 12:37.47 | hno | Do win32-image-writer decompress lzma automatically? |
| 12:37.55 | hno | re Mele ICS page. |
| 12:40.48 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: hno master * rf5f687a4d7cd /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android_ics.mdwn: Clean up links to the different image types (encrypted firmware, or sdcard image), and clarify process a bit. |
| 12:41.14 | specing | Mazon: Now I know where to look when I fry my tablet's mobo, thanks! |
| 12:41.45 | specing | hno: probably not |
| 12:41.54 | specing | hno: I think 7zip can do that |
| 12:42.26 | hno | I'll let some Windows user worry about that. |
| 12:43.21 | specing | heh |
| 12:43.35 | specing | They'll just come here and spam the channel, you know? :D |
| 12:44.19 | hno | Hm... now I am confused. The dropbox link is that the sdcard image or encrypted firmware image? |
| 12:45.00 | hno | Maybe both.. but "Error (509) This account's public links are generating too much traffic and have been temporarily disabled! " |
| 12:45.28 | hno | Any known mirrors of the encrypted firmware file? |
| 12:46.15 | specing | This is why one uses torrents... |
| 12:46.48 | lundman | i have mirror |
| 12:47.37 | hno | lundman, "only" saw the dd image on your mirror. |
| 12:48.44 | lundman | the other didnt seem important |
| 12:48.53 | lundman | you can easily dd from windows too |
| 12:49.05 | lundman | but if someone has the other, i can put it up |
| 12:49.33 | hno | yes, i said "only". |
| 12:49.47 | lundman | :) |
| 12:50.47 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r71e2f56828da /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android_ics.mdwn: |
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| 13:04.25 | hno | who runs www.j1nx.nl? It's not answering on ipv6. |
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| 13:08.52 | specing | hno: Are you stuck on v6? :D |
| 13:14.13 | hno | specing, no, but i am defaulting to ipv6 on sites claiming they are ipv6 enabled. |
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| 13:22.21 | specing | hno: what? |
| 13:22.25 | specing | Why? |
| 13:25.47 | specing | How is it claiming ipv6? I get ipv4 in nslookup? |
| 13:30.38 | Turl | j1nx.nl.86400INAAAA2001:470:1f15:1186:213:8fff:fe2e:f1ae |
| 13:32.44 | specing | Ok, I know there exists a tool for debugging dns servers, but I had forgotten its name... |
| 13:33.05 | Turl | dig |
| 13:33.47 | specing | Ah |
| 13:33.50 | specing | that was it |
| 13:33.53 | Turl | dig [--trace|@server] [A|AAAA|NS|TXT|CNAME|etc] whatever.domain.com |
| 13:34.14 | specing | Ah it comes with bind-tools |
| 13:35.02 | specing | Then why did you query it for AAAA? |
| 13:35.14 | specing | it comes up with A just fine |
| 13:41.49 | Turl | specing: AAAA is ipv6 |
| 13:42.04 | Turl | specing: if you are ipv6 capable, you usually query v6 first |
| 13:42.08 | Turl | see a v6 |
| 13:42.09 | Turl | use it |
| 13:46.05 | specing | well whatever |
| 13:54.19 | hno | specing, I am ipv6 enabled so all programs on my host tries ipv6. |
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| 14:01.54 | mnemoc | i really doubt it supports lzma'ed images |
| 14:02.04 | mnemoc | err.... bad scrolling :( |
| 14:03.04 | hno | Who made that ICS DD image? Lots of crap in the beginning.. messy to identify boot0/boot1/other important data there. |
| 14:04.16 | hno | anyone here with a working phoenixcard setup? |
| 14:05.06 | mnemoc | i think tom did it |
| 14:13.47 | mnemoc | it's very weird what they do with that vfat partition |
| 14:14.18 | hno | what do they do with it? |
| 14:14.28 | mnemoc | it's empty... |
| 14:14.32 | mnemoc | but not |
| 14:14.48 | hno | it's not? |
| 14:15.00 | mnemoc | the data is in there |
| 14:16.38 | mnemoc | totally fails to see the point in making upgrade images that obscure |
| 14:19.39 | mnemoc | hno: the ics-beta image seems cleaner |
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| 14:20.01 | mnemoc | with everything zero'ed |
| 14:22.30 | mnemoc | I'll compress the dd image I received an upload it |
| 14:23.26 | mnemoc | hno: original links still exist.... http://dl.dropbox.com/u/85955007/mele/xaa to xae |
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| 14:31.29 | mnemoc | data starts at 0x225000 |
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| 14:38.24 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * raf7ed43d05a7 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/android_ics.mdwn: whitespace cleanup |
| 14:44.30 | mnemoc | should I make the leap to 3.4 even if 3.3 porting isn't complete? |
| 14:52.25 | hno | mnemoc, no opinion. Was not hard to get sun4i-minimal to 3.4. |
| 14:53.39 | hno | but have not looked at any of the drivers. |
| 14:54.01 | hno | and expect to be occupied in u-boot, nand & spl land for a while. |
| 14:54.13 | hno | where fel is included in spl land. |
| 14:54.25 | hno | oh, forgot. ddr setup land as well. |
| 14:56.54 | mnemoc | 3.3 seems so dead these days, android's kernel hasn't touched their 3.3 branch since -rc7 and it doesn't receive stable updates |
| 14:58.11 | mnemoc | and no one seems to be interested in playing with the wip/ branch beside me |
| 14:58.56 | mnemoc | but I fear to break compatibility with the binary userspace stuff we have moving too far in "future" |
| 15:01.09 | mnemoc | the only known breakage (usb gadget) needs to be reimplemented anyway |
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| 15:32.48 | J1nx | did anybody tested Tom's ICS? |
| 15:33.01 | J1nx | is the GUI rendered on the GPU? |
| 15:33.28 | J1nx | and video played by Cedarx/Hardware decoding by VPU? |
| 15:33.52 | mnemoc | J1nx: yes |
| 15:34.27 | mnemoc | J1nx: *3 |
| 15:34.42 | J1nx | :D |
| 15:34.56 | traeak | mnemoc: 3.4 is probably wiser than 3.3 |
| 15:35.31 | steev | at a minimum |
| 15:36.05 | mnemoc | steev: we need a version android 5.0 people can use... |
| 15:36.18 | steev | has 5.0 been released? |
| 15:36.44 | mnemoc | steev: nope, but it very unlikely it uses linux 3.5 |
| 15:37.05 | steev | no it would use either 3.2 or 3.4 |
| 15:38.11 | traeak | another option is to push hard for mainline kernel inclusion |
| 15:38.11 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Daniel master * r60b7b175d0eb /allwinner_a10/orders/pre-code.mdwn: |
| 15:38.15 | mnemoc | then 3.4 will be. I'll apply the stack upon 3.4 tonight |
| 15:38.34 | mnemoc | traeak: that won't happen any time soon |
| 15:38.39 | traeak | so what's the deal with the telechips A5 dealy? |
| 15:38.58 | mnemoc | traeak: the sunxi kernel breaks every other arch support |
| 15:39.36 | traeak | all the extra work of making a good patch set |
| 15:40.54 | mnemoc | which isn't really possible when the only person working on that does it during the breaks of his other two full time jobs :< |
| 15:41.08 | traeak | ugh :( |
| 15:41.44 | steev | traeak: pushing to mainline wouldn't get in til at least 3.8 at a minimum at this point |
| 15:42.49 | J1nx | Guys, I read throught; https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner/issues/11 |
| 15:42.56 | J1nx | did anybody looked into this already |
| 15:43.23 | J1nx | I don't really understand "hno" his last comment |
| 15:45.22 | steev | J1nx: he's saying that atags or device tree is used, not mem=1024M on the kernel command line |
| 15:46.26 | J1nx | Yes, but do I understand correctly that if we change the chipdensity in the EVB we can wipe out the SDRAM detection in the kernel? |
| 15:46.38 | J1nx | (as the latter is wrong) |
| 15:48.20 | hno | J1nx, www.j1nx.nl do not respond on it's ipv6 address |
| 15:48.58 | J1nx | hno; will look into it tonight. |
| 15:49.08 | arisel | specing: ok.. after buying an adapter I now see my pic on hdmi ;) I'd prefer the lcd, but at least there's some pic :) |
| 15:49.10 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: fabrizio master * rf35be4c1e077 /allwinner_a10/orders/.mdwn: |
| 15:49.25 | hno | J1nx, yes the kernel code unconditionally overriding the bootloader memory information should be removed. |
| 15:50.19 | J1nx | hno, but does the U-Boot at this moment give the right tag to the kernel? |
| 15:51.23 | hno | J1nx, no it doesn't and should be fixed. There is good progress on the MMC u-boot on that. |
| 15:52.23 | J1nx | (hno: IPv6 will not be up before next week, because of problems the tunnel is initiated but not radv is not running at the moment) |
| 15:52.46 | J1nx | hno: OK thanks, all I needed to know |
| 15:53.15 | J1nx | So for now, if you want 1 GB you manually have to tweak the code in the kernel to change the chip density |
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| 15:53.34 | hno | J1nx, or better, fix u-boot. |
| 15:53.44 | mnemoc | hno: so I just need to comment out all the dram size related code? |
| 15:53.49 | J1nx | yes: Thats plan A off course :D |
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| 15:54.04 | hno | mnemoc, yes. We did that in the earlier 3.3 tree. |
| 15:54.25 | hno | which caused some to complain about only seeing 512MB. |
| 15:54.28 | mnemoc | hno: I wasn't sure if that was a test or a definitive fix |
| 15:54.38 | hno | it was a cleanup. |
| 15:54.41 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:54.52 | hno | killing stupid plain wrong things. |
| 15:56.21 | mnemoc | hno: OT: is it "legal" for me to remove the old copyrights left after hipboi added the GPL headers? https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/blob/3fa5e74d6ab3a678733e92f694515f045077c9a3/drivers/block/sun4i_nand/src/physic/nand_simple_w.c |
| 15:56.32 | mnemoc | hno: or it has to be done by him too? |
| 15:57.06 | J1nx | hno: Where is the MMC u-boot work? |
| 15:58.53 | specing | mnemoc: He said he is going to fix it, didn't he? |
| 15:59.27 | mnemoc | specing: yes ;-) |
| 16:00.02 | hno | J1nx, the bug report you mentioned earlier, and in my head learning more of the DRAM controller. |
| 16:00.41 | J1nx | OK :D Then I leave it in your good hands. |
| 16:03.05 | hno | will rework the u-boot dram setup to use a struct dram_para, which in the longer run allows for the dram parameters to be extracted from script.bin. |
| 16:03.40 | J1nx | looks like the proper way forward indeed |
| 16:04.05 | hno | no idea about what to do with the chainloaded u-boot. But think it should work to specify a mem= argument there as workaround. |
| 16:04.28 | hno | mem info is probably available from the allwinner bootloader somehow. |
| 16:04.46 | hno | or u-boot could probe the DRAM controller like kernel did. |
| 16:05.46 | J1nx | one thing at the time, forget about the chainloaded one for now |
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| 16:06.52 | hno | J1nx, I am. Never been a priority for me. But need to have some idea for what those Android people should be told when only 512MB is seen on their 1GB devices. |
| 16:07.06 | J1nx | mnemoc: sinse when are you looking into Android? |
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| 16:07.49 | mnemoc | J1nx: I'm not, but I do building in supporting them |
| 16:08.06 | mnemoc | s/building/belive/ |
| 16:08.07 | J1nx | hno: So, what do you tell them at this moment? Maybe push that to the public can get them of your case |
| 16:08.20 | mnemoc | meh... typos |
| 16:08.26 | hno | mnemoc, there is sufficient indications that the Allwinner code is GPL licensed. But better if Allwinner can do it. |
| 16:09.20 | hno | J1nx, I always speak the truth as my mind sees it. |
| 16:09.55 | J1nx | ouch, the truth always hurt |
| 16:10.51 | hno | Android user: "Why is my XXX only seeing 512MB with amery kernel?" Hno: "Because the u-boot version you use lies to your kernel" |
| 16:11.48 | hno | Android user: "Why do u-boot lie" Hno: "Because Allwinner decided it was easier to make evil hacks in their Linux kernel than fixing their u-boot". |
| 16:12.50 | hno | Android user: "How do I fix it?" Hno: "See the source". |
| 16:14.46 | hno | Hm... wonder if u-boot SPL is passing memory details to the full u-boot somehow. |
| 16:14.52 | J1nx | They probably do not like you because of that. They usually expect something like; Look at this file at line yy you see the param zz, change that to ...... |
| 16:15.13 | J1nx | :D |
| 16:19.06 | J1nx | gimli: Can you do it again in the thread? It might stop them from whining about android. |
| 16:20.00 | J1nx | something like: Who needs android if XBMC plays everything just fine .... |
| 16:21.44 | hno | have no need to be liked by Android users who can't read source. |
| 16:26.08 | hno | Wonder how other MALI devices handle the MALI memory reservation. The way it's done in A10 kernel do not feel right. |
| 16:27.08 | J1nx | check the Snowball kernel source. Different CPU, same GPU |
| 16:27.14 | traeak | anyone tracked down where all the reserved memory goes? |
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| 17:02.44 | hno | traeak, yes. |
| 17:03.17 | mnemoc | jxd factory looks much more like a factory than those armdevices visited before... |
| 17:03.32 | hno | jxd? |
| 17:03.57 | hno | have not been following things today |
| 17:04.26 | mnemoc | they arrive to my phone :p |
| 17:04.44 | mnemoc | http://armdevices.net/2012/06/18/entering-the-jwd-factory/ |
| 17:04.51 | mnemoc | and 2 others after that |
| 17:05.14 | mnemoc | jxd makes some very inexpective game consoles with many different SoCs, including A10 |
| 17:05.20 | mnemoc | inexpensive |
| 17:06.26 | mnemoc | he pushed 4 factories today |
| 17:06.56 | traeak | JWD factory :-p |
| 17:07.12 | traeak | looks like i have the "blue" flash video problem with these |
| 17:07.13 | mnemoc | err, yes |
| 17:07.13 | traeak | grr |
| 17:07.15 | mnemoc | can't type today |
| 17:07.30 | traeak | so it looks like a factory full of smurfs |
| 17:10.16 | _vaevictus | am i showing up as from afghanistan? |
| 17:10.52 | hno | yes |
| 17:10.53 | mnemoc | _vaevictus: yes |
| 17:10.58 | _vaevictus | lol cool |
| 17:11.52 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: Edgar master * r5d2fd4fcc2d3 /allwinner_a10/orders/meready2dev.mdwn: |
| 17:12.27 | hno | _vaevictus, abusign a proxy somewhere? |
| 17:13.20 | _vaevictus | no im in kaBUL |
| 17:13.51 | _vaevictus | bored shitless |
| 17:14.34 | hno | mnemoc, nice factory. Serious about cleanness, esd and poisoning. |
| 17:15.35 | hno | should have a noticeably higher output gain than the A10 tablet factory we saw earlier.. |
| 17:21.54 | hno | MK802 factory tour is scary. Glad I have not bought one. |
| 17:22.36 | _vaevictus | whats bad abt the mk802 factory? |
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| 17:25.27 | hno | worker environment |
| 17:26.09 | mnemoc | workers in the JWD factory are clearly unconfortable with his presence |
| 17:30.51 | mnemoc | but it's a very nice factory |
| 17:31.19 | zenitraM | i love how they "print" the markings on the mk802 case |
| 17:34.33 | mnemoc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw46nrlJHmQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=485s <--- this girl is like an octopus |
| 17:34.57 | mnemoc | testing 6 tablets at the same time |
| 17:35.21 | hno | mnemoc, and on a closer look JWD still fail on some fundamental environment aspects such as sufficient light for the task at hand. Plus there seem to be one supervisor per 10 persons or so only watching their work. |
| 17:35.58 | mnemoc | s/supervisor/foreman/ |
| 17:37.24 | mnemoc | their working pace is pretty intense... |
| 17:38.33 | traeak | i'd forgotten how messy crt's look with a vidcam |
| 17:38.50 | RITRedbeard | Man, so I've got this electrical problem. |
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| 17:39.18 | RITRedbeard | I want to convert this old Thinkpad, one of the smallest and lightest (besides this one japanese model which is rare) to A10 |
| 17:39.46 | RITRedbeard | and I absolutely adore the keyboard but the connector is so... small... I don't even know that I can unsolder it and put leads on it |
| 17:40.23 | specing | how small? |
| 17:40.32 | RITRedbeard | i'll give you a picture |
| 17:40.41 | RITRedbeard | or get my calipers out |
| 17:42.16 | RITRedbeard | http://goodluckmakingrent.com/images/keyboardandultranavfemaleconne.jpg |
| 17:42.31 | RITRedbeard | smaller than it looks in the photograph |
| 17:42.51 | RITRedbeard | with default sized multimeter leads I've been slowly damaging the plastic notches |
| 17:44.14 | RITRedbeard | mr calipers says... .630" |
| 17:44.30 | RITRedbeard | but as you can see the flex PCB is mutli-layer so I can't cut it off there |
| 17:44.48 | RITRedbeard | or what |
| 17:44.51 | RITRedbeard | yeah |
| 17:45.05 | RITRedbeard | I dunno, half an inch might seem big but when you're packing 40 pins in there |
| 17:46.10 | RITRedbeard | time to learn basic SMD I guess? heh |
| 17:46.57 | RITRedbeard | I was thinking of making a mold of the male side out of something like surguru and inserting leads |
| 17:47.19 | RITRedbeard | but not worth it I don't think? |
| 17:48.14 | RITRedbeard | plus apparently that stuff expires in short order, something like six month shelf life... :\ I want to maintain backwards compatibility with the old stuff I guess now that I'm low on hobby funds |
| 17:51.16 | RITRedbeard | and I don't exactly have the hands of a surgeon :P |
| 17:51.18 | specing | mnemoc: LOL those folks are better dressed than we were when we visited a chip fab |
| 17:52.56 | mnemoc | specing: but as hno pointed out, they still miss good light and probably receive lot of whipping :| |
| 17:54.13 | mnemoc | lots of supervisors |
| 17:54.28 | _vaevictus | can someone help me greatly by running a proxy server on port 5060 for me and let me connect and test? The reason is I need to see if our QOS settings can be bypassed if a user does this.... |
| 17:54.43 | A0Sheds | RITRedbeard, build an adapter board, finding a mating connector shouldn't be too difficult |
| 17:55.57 | RITRedbeard | I've looked, I have no idea what this connector is called |
| 17:55.57 | specing | Haha, finding connectors is always difficult! |
| 17:57.33 | specing | molex.com maybe? |
| 17:57.46 | A0Sheds | RITRedbeard, use the mating one from the old laptop's motherboard |
| 17:58.02 | A0Sheds | planning on saving the old board? |
| 17:58.43 | RITRedbeard | let me look at the PCB of the mobo where the male is |
| 17:59.44 | RITRedbeard | it's a possible but just soldering off the old female and doing my own leads would probably work better |
| 18:00.17 | RITRedbeard | I'm trying not to be sentimental about it... |
| 18:00.25 | RITRedbeard | It's a bit silly, I guess. |
| 18:00.46 | A0Sheds | this is an example of where a 3d printer would come in handy |
| 18:01.09 | RITRedbeard | yes |
| 18:01.15 | A0Sheds | create 3d model, print new connector |
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| 18:10.51 | hno | RITRedbeard, That looks like a fairly common connector. |
| 18:12.24 | hno | RITRedbeard, which pitch do it have (distance between pins) |
| 18:12.37 | RITRedbeard | oh jeez let me try and check |
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| 18:13.02 | mnemoc | measure the whole, measure the pins, and divide :p |
| 18:13.24 | hno | Just measure the length between outer pins. |
| 18:13.42 | hno | divide by 19. |
| 18:15.20 | RITRedbeard | less than .02" |
| 18:15.28 | RITRedbeard | very very small |
| 18:16.43 | A0Sheds | 0.5mm pitch, could be worse |
| 18:17.33 | A0Sheds | http://www.hirose.co.jp/cataloge_hp/e53700036.pdf looks close to these |
| 18:18.48 | A0Sheds | RITRedbeard, what the width or the space between contacts on opposite sides? |
| 18:19.16 | RITRedbeard | how wide? |
| 18:19.17 | RITRedbeard | it's |
| 18:20.02 | RITRedbeard | less than .10" |
| 18:20.10 | RITRedbeard | my calipers aren't so great :( |
| 18:20.21 | hno | A0Sheds, close but not the same. Different keying. |
| 18:21.23 | A0Sheds | pitch and space are the important parts, he only needs one, not going into production |
| 18:21.25 | RITRedbeard | yeah the key is on the female side, small notch and angled so you don't plug in reverse |
| 18:21.33 | RITRedbeard | true |
| 18:21.50 | A0Sheds | might be able to find the exact match or machine/modify one by hand |
| 18:21.51 | hno | RITRedbeard, 0.020", 0.016" or 0.014"? |
| 18:22.31 | RITRedbeard | I'd say 14 mils or whatever, yeah |
| 18:24.00 | hno | So distance between outer pins was 0.266"? |
| 18:24.59 | RITRedbeard | On the actual PCB or you mean from contact to contact? |
| 18:25.37 | hno | Yes, from the leftmost contact to the rightmost contact. |
| 18:27.11 | hno | easily measured on that edge with via holes. |
| 18:27.13 | mnemoc | also try changing the units of the caliper to mm, that can give you more decent numbers |
| 18:27.19 | RITRedbeard | length, contact to contact is ~ 0.650" |
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| 18:34.02 | RITRedbeard | shrugs |
| 18:34.19 | hno | RITRedbeard, you sure? That's very big for being small. |
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| 18:35.50 | hno | and odd size for that kind of connector. |
| 18:36.09 | RITRedbeard | i think calipers are not calibrated or |
| 18:36.21 | RITRedbeard | just the part is so small I cannot measure most of the fine dimensinos |
| 18:36.46 | hno | outer distances should be easy to measure with reasonable precision. |
| 18:37.37 | hno | What are the outer dimensions of the plastic? width x height |
| 18:38.42 | hno | Or a picture with a fine pitch ruler next to it and it's easy to calibrate measuring in the picture. |
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| 18:42.49 | hno | RITRedbeard, but if you remove the transparent plastic next to the connector then you should be able to easily solder there. Nice spacing on the PCB leads and other side should look similar. |
| 18:43.31 | hno | but much neater if you can find the connector, or desolder it from the old board and reuse. |
| 18:45.28 | hno | but it's too big keyboard for connecting direclly to the A10 keyboard controller. The A10 keyboard controller uses an 8x8 matrix. |
| 18:45.46 | hno | (16 leads) |
| 18:52.00 | RITRedbeard | I just broke it |
| 18:52.12 | hno | ? |
| 18:52.32 | RITRedbeard | the connections are in the protective wrap |
| 18:52.44 | RITRedbeard | it's flexy PCB |
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| 18:54.10 | RITRedbeard | maybe I can adhere it back on |
| 18:59.37 | RITRedbeard | the clear part with the leads in it conductive... I guess this works out better |
| 18:59.42 | RITRedbeard | I can use whatever connector I need |
| 19:02.29 | libv | wow, the mk802 tour is scary stuff. don't humans already have machines for most of those steps? |
| 19:03.25 | specing | robots are generally expensive |
| 19:03.32 | libv | apparently |
| 19:04.00 | mnemoc | that's an extreme factory.... eken's is quite nice |
| 19:04.17 | mnemoc | people seems less scared :p |
| 19:04.20 | specing | They are only being used here in the west world since the governments impose a high enaugh minimum wage |
| 19:04.35 | libv | specing: well... |
| 19:05.03 | libv | there is a toy factory nearby where i live, near nuernberg in bavaria germany |
| 19:05.26 | toxicpsion | specing: high enough being a very relative term. :/ |
| 19:05.36 | mnemoc | toys that cost more than the wage of the chinese workers who do toys :p |
| 19:05.39 | specing | toxicpsion: that is why I used it |
| 19:05.59 | libv | they use only proper plastics and are mostly machines and design and QA, they claim that they have little premium over most toys shipped en masse from china |
| 19:06.16 | toxicpsion | ... and why i commented :) |
| 19:07.03 | libv | i guess it all depends on the margin that companies want to have |
| 19:11.40 | J1nx | Guys, what abou this; http://www.j1nx.nl/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/K-A10-PCBA-front-.jpg |
| 19:11.50 | J1nx | checkout left of the sdcard reader |
| 19:13.30 | zenitraM | mhm now that's interesting |
| 19:13.42 | zenitraM | which device is that? |
| 19:13.51 | J1nx | No shortcuts on the HDMI power as well |
| 19:14.33 | J1nx | been contacted by a supplier. This is what he wants to sell as a MK802 alternative |
| 19:14.52 | J1nx | Think it will kill the MK802 don't you agree? |
| 19:15.02 | J1nx | 1 GB mem + UART |
| 19:15.12 | zenitraM | well, he's already selling them: http://smallart.en.ec21.com/U_HOST_Cotton_Candy_Android--6241631_6241732.html |
| 19:15.34 | zenitraM | any prices? |
| 19:15.52 | J1nx | not yet |
| 19:16.16 | J1nx | But he is a USA distibutor so probably buy them in large quantities |
| 19:17.13 | J1nx | btw: lets not forget the mic in |
| 19:18.00 | zenitraM | and the built-in mic |
| 19:18.30 | J1nx | Anyway advised him; He might have a hit is he markets it right |
| 19:18.38 | J1nx | is=if |
| 19:18.48 | J1nx | You guys agree? |
| 19:19.04 | J1nx | To mee it looks like a smaller A1000 |
| 19:19.12 | toxicpsion | is still awed by how artistic the squiggles on ddr3 traces are. |
| 19:20.52 | toxicpsion | J1nx: got a pic of the rear side? would love to see how the wifi sits. |
| 19:21.48 | J1nx | hang on |
| 19:24.25 | zenitraM | oh, how cute |
| 19:24.46 | zenitraM | people on forocoches created a web script.fex generator |
| 19:24.49 | zenitraM | http://www.zercosz.com/contenido/webs/forocoches/Mele2000/Generador_de_EVB.FEX/CALHEMP/ |
| 19:25.12 | hno | J1nx, anything interesting on the other side of the board? |
| 19:26.28 | RITRedbeard | hno, actually, I don't have to agonize over the connector anymore. What I mean is that flexible PCB is conductive at the clear part, even though it's starting to chip off |
| 19:26.30 | hno | hates firewalls. |
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| 19:29.51 | hno | welcome back J1nx |
| 19:30.06 | J1nx | http://www.j1nx.nl/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/K-A10-PCBA-back-.jpg |
| 19:30.14 | J1nx | (freaking internet overhere) |
| 19:31.40 | A0Sheds | libv: did you see that article about how powerVR might jump into discrete GPU's for x86? |
| 19:32.37 | libv | A0Sheds: where? |
| 19:32.46 | A0Sheds | whats the actual advantage of PowerVR or Vivante over Mali gpu's? |
| 19:33.00 | A0Sheds | I'll get the link..... |
| 19:33.16 | libv | pvr had almost full market dominance before |
| 19:33.25 | libv | and for some reason ti is sticking to it |
| 19:33.29 | EricBetts | J1nx: I think I just replied to your comment on the miniand forum about mk802; I didn't realize you were also in the channel |
| 19:33.35 | libv | and apple owns a larger share than intel |
| 19:33.42 | J1nx | tada! |
| 19:33.44 | hno | J1nx, why is there an USB hub? |
| 19:33.58 | A0Sheds | libv: http://hothardware.com/News/PowerVR-Plans-To-Make-Mobile-Graphics-GPU-Compute-a-ThreeWay-Race--Again/ |
| 19:34.01 | libv | apart from that, there is no reason |
| 19:34.03 | J1nx | <tune> It's a small world after all ...... </tune> |
| 19:34.46 | EricBetts | J1nx: yeah; I've been slowingly realizing that all the websites I visit to read about the mk802 linux progress have people in here |
| 19:35.04 | J1nx | hno: Don't know, will ask. Maybe because he also want's to include IR and Bluetooth |
| 19:35.06 | hno | J1nx, A10 have 3 USB ports (OTG + 2 HOST), and I only see OTG + HOST + Wifi there. |
| 19:35.28 | hno | IR is built in to A10, only add diode.. |
| 19:35.38 | libv | A0Sheds: nothing there that points at renewed desktop plans |
| 19:36.31 | J1nx | hno: But you see a HUB? |
| 19:37.11 | hno | J1nx, GL850G is a 4 port USB hub. |
| 19:38.23 | hno | J1nx, front side, next to USB HOST connector. |
| 19:38.50 | A0Sheds | libv: yes, not desktop, but I wonder if it's planned for anything Intel low power mobile |
| 19:39.08 | A0Sheds | it's already in Atom and a few others |
| 19:40.20 | A0Sheds | Freescale went from powerVR to Vivante, not sure why they didn't use Mali on the imx6 |
| 19:40.41 | hno | J1nx, and I don't see any ESD protection on the HDMI, if you remember the MK802 discussions. |
| 19:41.17 | J1nx | he says they are there. But I am a software man, not a hardware man |
| 19:42.02 | A0Sheds | J1nx, have a close up pic of the PCB? |
| 19:42.54 | A0Sheds | probably too cheap to be using ESD the HDMI connector |
| 19:43.13 | hno | J1nx, looks like there is pads for mounting ESD protection, but empty on your device. |
| 19:43.35 | A0Sheds | heh, save the 20 cents |
| 19:44.31 | hno | and spend them on an unused USB HUB + surrounding components... |
| 19:44.51 | A0Sheds | really?! |
| 19:45.07 | A0Sheds | maybe it was just an allocation issue? |
| 19:45.11 | mnemoc | blindly following the reference design ;-) |
| 19:45.13 | J1nx | h ok, then maybe they are still working on it. He said this was not the final version. But will tell him, he might get screwed by the chinees |
| 19:45.34 | A0Sheds | they were out of them at the time they ran production |
| 19:46.14 | A0Sheds | heh, they would leave out the A10 if they could get away with it |
| 19:46.30 | J1nx | they are not yet in production |
| 19:47.18 | hno | Stability of that HDMI connector also worries me. |
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| 19:48.24 | A0Sheds | those two solder tabs are it. Are they smt? |
| 19:48.39 | hno | A0Sheds? |
| 19:49.15 | hno | everything is SMT.on that board. |
| 19:49.30 | A0Sheds | hno: on each edge of the connector, it's quite a cantilever if it's unsupported |
| 19:50.17 | A0Sheds | the most common point of failure for USB and HDMI |
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| 19:55.39 | mnemoc | lkcl: http://armdevices.net/2012/06/18/ice-computer-computer-in-a-module/ |
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| 19:56.41 | mnemoc | lkcl: very similar concept to eoma |
| 19:57.11 | A0Sheds | they have stolen my idea as well |
| 19:57.27 | A0Sheds | I've only been talking about it for years |
| 19:58.42 | A0Sheds | http://touchpad-me.net/tags/xpad |
| 19:58.59 | A0Sheds | http://www.netbooknews.com/50310/ice-computer-modular-xpc-prototype-hands-on-video-computex-2012/ |
| 19:59.11 | J1nx_ | Thats what you get if you talk a lot, but don't do it |
| 19:59.25 | A0Sheds | I encourage people to use it |
| 19:59.57 | A0Sheds | very few seem to know how to handle the cooling and mechanical design |
| 20:00.30 | A0Sheds | I hope a 100 co's go do it |
| 20:00.51 | J1nx_ | You can talk about patents and CPU's etc. But we still don't have any EOMA card. Now that ARM is getting more and more polular. The first one that delivers gets the fame |
| 20:01.52 | A0Sheds | http://www.engadget.com/photos/ice-computer-modular-xpc-hands-on/ |
| 20:02.26 | J1nx_ | If you ask me; There is simply not enough progress lately, or at least visual progress. The Rhombus-tech news page isn't updated in weeks, google will punish you for that |
| 20:04.10 | A0Sheds | I'm might only work on non-EOMA COM cards |
| 20:05.04 | A0Sheds | the ICE looks nice, but probably too pricey |
| 20:06.56 | A0Sheds | there have been some modular laptops over the years, they lasted about 6 months in business |
| 20:07.25 | A0Sheds | ouch, the ICE uses a fan |
| 20:08.15 | A0Sheds | oh, maybe it's just in the tablet enclosure not the CPU module |
| 20:08.33 | J1nx_ | It is a bit similar as the tablet. That thing was launched multiple times by different hardware guys, but we weren't ready for it. It was only after the ARm stuff from apple that we were ready for tablets |
| 20:09.19 | J1nx_ | Modular PC's are also old but were never really usefull. Now with power saving ARM and better GPU's we might be ready |
| 20:09.26 | A0Sheds | we worked on one 6-7 years ago for the market in India |
| 20:09.35 | A0Sheds | x86 and Mips |
| 20:10.05 | J1nx_ | So launch a good concept now, can make you the new Steve Jobs visionairy |
| 20:10.35 | A0Sheds | Jobs a visionary? |
| 20:11.12 | J1nx_ | don't tell me you don't agree! If it wasn't for him, you would still walk around with snake on your nokia |
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| 20:11.18 | mnemoc | thanks to chemicals :p |
| 20:11.46 | A0Sheds | I'm mostly working on 3d printers and materials for manufacturing |
| 20:12.01 | RITRedbeard | nice |
| 20:13.07 | A0Sheds | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=77Cnq8gYWYs this video covers their whole product line |
| 20:17.05 | A0Sheds | interesting that they chose Atom over AMD APU's |
| 20:20.41 | toxicpsion | hno: that GL850G on J1nx's board looks like it's via'd to the wifi.. |
| 20:31.07 | hno | toxicpsion, probably it has the USB HOST port and wifi, but why? The A10 have two USB HOST ports. |
| 20:31.40 | hno | so both wifi and USB host port can be directly connected to A10. |
| 20:33.32 | mnemoc | reference seems to say: one host for the rtl8818cu, one host for the gma850g..... and that's what they did ;-) |
| 20:33.53 | mnemoc | gl850g |
| 20:40.00 | hno | Might also be for USB power control. The A10 do not include USB power control, only data. |
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| 20:41.01 | hno | so if you want external USB certified host ports you need some additional components and 2 gpio pins per port, and GL850G have it all integrated. |
| 20:41.42 | mnemoc | that makes sense |
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| 20:44.26 | hno | Actually... no the GL850G do not have those integrated either. |
| 20:44.52 | mnemoc | meh |
| 20:44.53 | hno | power control, over current detection. |
| 20:52.53 | hno | Right.... the A10 drivers do not have overcurrent detection support. Some driver modification is needed to read that via a GPIO.. |
| 20:57.50 | hno | so to be compliant you either need a better driver, or bypass the driver issue by using a hub. |
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