| 00:03.00 | specing | Okay |
| 00:14.13 | lundman | IDA is very nice, but the decompiler part is only for intel |
| 00:14.23 | lundman | asm->C that is |
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| 02:22.05 | lkcl | hno, specing: i have a legally-licensed copy of IDA pro, if absolutely necessary i can fire it up. last time i did that was for that daft CT-PC89E |
| 02:24.04 | lkcl | i installed it under wine, and also added xrdp on my server for someone, and they were able to use it remotely :) |
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| 02:25.56 | JordonWu | hello |
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| 04:20.31 | Turl | lundman: it can do arm asm -> C too |
| 04:20.47 | Turl | lkcl: do you have a legally licensed ARM Hexrays too? :P |
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| 04:45.13 | lundman | neat, it sure didnt used to be able to :) |
| 04:45.37 | lundman | but then a few years since I did ARM RE |
| 04:51.48 | lundman | around the Tomacro player I believe |
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| 06:33.01 | hno | lkcl, what license do you have, computer or user? |
| 06:36.44 | hipboi | i compiled the mali ddk, and the xserver-video-mali |
| 06:37.09 | hipboi | and if i run the X, and a X app |
| 06:37.16 | hipboi | everything seems ok |
| 06:37.45 | hipboi | but i don't know if the mali is used or not |
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| 06:41.32 | naobsd | hipboi: is there X server log (under /var/log/)? |
| 06:42.48 | hipboi | a lot |
| 06:42.57 | hipboi | let me delete them and run again |
| 06:50.20 | hipboi | naobsd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1035018/ |
| 06:50.24 | hipboi | the log |
| 06:50.58 | hipboi | the log seems ok |
| 06:56.37 | naobsd | hipboi: yup, mali driver is used. EXA is enabled so some sort of 2D acceleration should work. but no DRI/DRI2 is enabled, no 3D aceleration. |
| 07:09.51 | hipboi | naobsd: yes, the 2D is software |
| 07:10.12 | hipboi | mali doesn't support DRI2 |
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| 07:20.29 | hno | lundman, the IDA hex-rays decompiler supports 32-bit Intel and ARM. And since version 1.4 on both Linux and Windows. But at minimum USD 3079 single-user license it's a bit too much for what I need. (1059 USD for IDA Pro + 2020 USD for ARM Decompiler module) |
| 07:21.52 | lundman | 0713/Hex-Rays.IDA.Pro.Advanced.v6.1.Windows.incl.Hex-Rays.x86.Decompiler.v1.5.READ.NFO-RDW |
| 07:21.59 | lundman | yeah, just dont see ARM.. no matter |
| 07:22.53 | lundman | I tend to just RE for patching, not to reproduce code.. at least, so far |
| 07:28.10 | hipboi | hno: what's the problem with the drm in the kernel? |
| 07:38.54 | mnemoc | doesn't the use of IDA condemn any resulting tool to be illegal? |
| 07:39.29 | hno | hipboi, it looks very emptyish, just a skeleton. https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/tree/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/drivers/gpu/drm/mali/ compare to any other drm implementation. |
| 07:40.05 | hno | mnemoc, depends on what result and for what purpose. Decompiling to document interface is legal usage. |
| 07:40.18 | mnemoc | hno: cool |
| 07:40.36 | hno | decompiling to build your own modified (part or whole) is not. |
| 07:41.01 | lundman | I did RE to root boxes or remove dvd/bluray region, or steal keys. So its already pretty illegal :) |
| 07:41.33 | lundman | why are we REing for A10? I thought we had all the bits? |
| 07:41.50 | hno | rooting is not illegal. |
| 07:42.22 | mnemoc | lundman: on this case it would be to be able to reflash over usb from free tools |
| 07:42.46 | lundman | ah that suite program? |
| 07:43.27 | hno | removing region or stealing keys is illegal nowdays in US and some other parts of the world. |
| 07:43.46 | hno | actually it would be to be able to boot over usb. BROM do not know how to reflash. |
| 07:44.07 | lundman | dunno if I would assume rooting to be legal, considering how Sony went after the ps3 guys, but who cares about semmantics |
| 07:47.06 | mnemoc | semmantics go from "do you own the device you paid for" or "how do you interfer with other services after rooting your device" |
| 07:49.29 | hno | rooting is legal, rooting to bypass DRM is not. Consequently reverse enginerring to be able to root with the purpose of bypassing DRM is not. Sony argues that it's a case of the latter. |
| 07:51.04 | mnemoc | glad to declare his home apple/sony free zones |
| 07:51.08 | hno | and Sony have a big lawyer staff who love to twist things to their benefit (the lawyers, not neccesarily Sonys) |
| 07:53.11 | hno | can't. There is PS3 for gaming, and failed to convince part of the family that an reasonable specced hackable Android tablet is a far better and more economic choise than iPad 3. Not happy. |
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| 07:55.37 | hno | actually had intention to run Linux on the PS3, but the PPC platform have kind of faded in interest in the last years. Still have one that is otheros capable if I get interested again. And a PPC MAC as companion. |
| 07:56.03 | hno | RAM is a bit tight on the PS3. |
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| 08:05.16 | hno | hipboi, I don't see any references to MALI hardware at all in the mali DRM driver. Have not done a 100% analysis so might overlook something, but only see references to generic DRM support with no MALI glue. |
| 08:07.31 | mnemoc | it looks like a template |
| 08:23.05 | arete74 | 2~1~2~3~ |
| 08:25.41 | lundman | ~~~ATH0! |
| 08:26.16 | mnemoc | feels old |
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| 09:45.06 | mnemoc | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/acho-c908-9-7-capacitive-ips-android-4-0-tablet-w-bluetooth-wifi-tf-coffee-1-2ghz-8gb-137970 <--- NuSmart NS2816M!! |
| 09:47.33 | mnemoc | that's the first real device with a nusmart chip I've seen since their announcement ~2y? ago |
| 09:50.17 | mnemoc | sept. 2010 claiming 2GHz |
| 09:52.59 | naobsd | no one knows which tablet is in the box until it's opened :) |
| 09:57.02 | naobsd | (off-topic) recently some people reported on my XDA thread: "I bought a tablet which has Allwinner A10. I opened the box. it's very similar to some A10 tablet. but it's MIPS Android..." |
| 09:57.57 | zenitraM | he probably got scammed |
| 09:58.19 | zenitraM | Ainol has some Novo models with MIPS and some others with A10, very similar in appearance |
| 09:58.53 | mnemoc | it's impossible to count the different "flavors" ainol has... |
| 09:58.59 | mnemoc | there is a mars now |
| 10:00.02 | naobsd | ah, I know someone who ordered NOVO7 Advanced(A10) but he got NOVO7 Basic(MIPS). both are identical except print on back panel. |
| 10:01.20 | lkcl | mnemoc: that's interesting. i don't see an HDMI output on that NS2816 device |
| 10:02.57 | naobsd | but this is another story: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27226875&postcount=416 |
| 10:03.05 | CIA-121 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r7b5e1d0ba8af /allwinner_a10/orders/Joel.mdwn: order processing cleanup |
| 10:03.56 | naobsd | ah, they are scammed. same story ;) |
| 10:27.58 | mnemoc | lkcl: oh. I didn't notice that "detail" |
| 10:31.45 | mnemoc | hno: the normal mali driver does the integration in modules/mali/DX910-SW-99002-r2p3-01rel0/src/devicedrv/mali/platform/default/mali_platform.c |
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| 10:59.18 | specing | < naobsd> no one knows which tablet is in the box until it's opened :) |
| 10:59.26 | specing | Schroedinger's tablet? |
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| 11:19.33 | kostyaspb123 | Hello guys |
| 11:20.06 | kostyaspb123 | Does anybody succeeded in upgrading Mele A2000 to Android 4.0 ? |
| 11:21.03 | mnemoc | you mean to the beta image that's flying around or building your own? |
| 11:21.39 | kostyaspb123 | I would like to install beta image |
| 11:21.55 | kostyaspb123 | is there any manual how to do this ? |
| 11:22.08 | kostyaspb123 | and where to get android 4.0 image ? |
| 11:22.35 | mnemoc | i think there is a link in the wiki |
| 11:23.10 | kostyaspb123 | and where is the wiki ? |
| 11:23.33 | mnemoc | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/ |
| 11:24.00 | kostyaspb123 | thanks |
| 11:24.04 | mnemoc | yw |
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| 11:24.36 | kostyaspb123 | I found android image |
| 11:24.37 | kostyaspb123 | https://www.wuala.com/zercosz/Mele%20A2000/Firmware/?key=ThisIsFC2012 |
| 11:25.03 | mnemoc | yes, that seems to be the one |
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| 11:32.48 | lundman | thats the may ics4 image |
| 11:32.49 | mnemoc | cool, sound in 3.3 fixed |
| 11:33.16 | lundman | kost |
| 11:33.23 | lundman | kost: i have a miniguide: http://lundman.net/wiki/index.php/MeLe_A2000 |
| 11:35.39 | libv | lundman: you seem to have quite a spammer problem on your wiki |
| 11:35.49 | libv | lundman: http://lundman.net/wiki/index.php/Special:RecentChanges |
| 11:35.56 | lundman | again? ssheesh |
| 11:36.13 | lundman | every day they create accounts, but only occasionally manage to spam |
| 11:36.47 | lundman | yeah not sure why creating accounts gets through kapcha, but positng doesnt |
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| 11:59.06 | kostyaspb123 | thanks |
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| 12:09.28 | kostyaspb123 | Does anybody soldered microphone on mic pins ? |
| 12:10.07 | kostyaspb123 | Or does anybody tested whether web-cam with microphone works in skype ? |
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| 12:42.26 | lundman | I should .. with ps3 eye |
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| 15:16.00 | steev | blah |
| 15:16.13 | steev | what's the deal with headphone jacks in these tablets |
| 15:18.31 | steev | audio is kinda washed out when you plug in headphones |
| 15:27.32 | mnemoc | my 10yo seems satisfied with it... she passes the whole afternoon plugged to her fy-l1 using headphones (watching music videos) |
| 15:29.15 | mnemoc | tubemate.net is the best app ever created according to her |
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| 15:35.42 | specing | mnemoc: Why is she watching music videos? |
| 15:35.55 | specing | Give her something to solder, quickly ;P |
| 15:36.02 | specing | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.17 | mnemoc | nah |
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| 15:40.16 | specing | I was 10 when I started with Linux... |
| 15:43.14 | mnemoc | I started to program at 7, but my daughters are like their mother.. they paint, read novels (one has written 2 also), go to swim daily and train aikido twice per week..... |
| 15:43.29 | specing | W.T.F. |
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| 15:49.11 | zenitraM | i learnt the numbers with on a mickey mouse game running on my father's 8086 with monochrome yellow screen when i was 2 |
| 15:49.15 | zenitraM | everything went downhill from there |
| 15:50.30 | J1nx | Gimli: How is it going? |
| 15:50.45 | DonkeyHotei | i started with same computer as linus torvalds, the commodore vic20 |
| 15:50.54 | gimli | fine, thx |
| 15:51.17 | gimli | J1nx: on your side ? |
| 15:51.57 | J1nx | crap, Am at the third of my six weeks business trip in the freaking desert of Abu Dhabi |
| 15:52.15 | J1nx | 52 degrees celcius is really not funny :D |
| 15:52.30 | specing | Doesen't matter, you have internet |
| 15:52.33 | gimli | ouch |
| 15:52.50 | gimli | hehe, even the cable is swetting there |
| 15:52.52 | J1nx | Internet is the first thing I arrange when I get somewhere |
| 15:53.13 | Turl | J1nx: ouch, 52C, I can barely take 40 :P |
| 15:53.59 | J1nx | And then try to work in a full coverall, gloves and helmet at an Oil well |
| 15:54.05 | Turl | remembers his first PC, an awesome IBM Aptiva |
| 15:55.21 | J1nx | gimli: Was wondering if you got all the required documentation about the video decoder from Tom? |
| 15:56.05 | gimli | yes i did. at the moment we have to sort out a few things. |
| 15:56.28 | J1nx | Ok, is Tom working with you? |
| 15:56.30 | gimli | 1.) the decoder demo which leaked should go into a combined library |
| 15:56.35 | gimli | 2.) legal stuff |
| 15:56.47 | gimli | yes, i work with Tom |
| 15:56.53 | J1nx | great |
| 15:57.16 | J1nx | I think you two together will get it done in the end. |
| 15:58.48 | J1nx | maybe to early to ask, but does the library then also supports the encoding into H264? |
| 15:59.28 | gimli | no encoding. only decoding |
| 16:00.12 | J1nx | Ok, thats for the future then |
| 16:00.34 | J1nx | Anyway, the game is starting. I am out |
| 16:00.57 | mnemoc | I think I saw the encoding library once... |
| 16:01.37 | traeak | hmm |
| 16:01.41 | traeak | outlet.lenovo.com |
| 16:01.51 | traeak | anyways |
| 16:02.00 | traeak | any headway on the cedar crashing? |
| 16:03.40 | Turl | traeak: cedar crashes? |
| 16:06.22 | mnemoc | without the oops text we can't do anything... |
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| 17:50.58 | Turl | -- This software is confidential and proprietary and may be used -- |
| 17:50.58 | Turl | -- only as expressly authorized by a licensing agreement from -- |
| 17:50.58 | Turl | -- Softwinner Products. -- |
| 17:51.00 | Turl | ouch |
| 17:52.33 | mnemoc | Turl: hipboi is going to "fix" the license of all kernel files... but takes time... most key systems have already been fixed |
| 17:53.01 | Turl | mnemoc: it's not kernel though |
| 17:53.08 | mnemoc | cedar? |
| 17:53.10 | Turl | mnemoc: it's the simple media format prober |
| 17:53.40 | mnemoc | the legal mess with those is still unclear |
| 17:53.42 | Turl | basically it's code that checks specific bytes of a stream/file and says 'it's an mp3' and such |
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| 17:54.06 | Turl | I wonder if we can get that apache'd |
| 17:54.17 | mnemoc | mail eva |
| 17:54.19 | Turl | it's not like it's core to the decoding software |
| 17:54.27 | Turl | mnemoc: got an address? |
| 17:54.36 | mnemoc | play big-potential-customer |
| 17:54.46 | mnemoc | eva.wu@allwinnertech.com |
| 17:55.06 | Turl | mnemoc: I can play "huge OS project that's gonna support A10 products", would that be good enough? |
| 17:55.12 | mnemoc | nope |
| 17:55.21 | mnemoc | OS = hippies |
| 17:55.36 | Turl | mnemoc: OS project with 2M users? |
| 17:55.38 | traeak | show off some money bags |
| 17:55.42 | Turl | mnemoc: does that sound like hippies? :P |
| 17:55.58 | traeak | OS project with 2 million dollars? (that might be laughable) |
| 17:56.08 | Turl | traeak: users, not dollars :P |
| 17:56.26 | mnemoc | Turl: if it's gov-supported... |
| 17:56.30 | Turl | and a commercial company selling devices based on the software |
| 17:56.34 | Turl | mnemoc: nah, no govt involvement |
| 17:57.17 | traeak | Turl: it's just a typo, even one you could make |
| 17:57.18 | traeak | hehe |
| 17:57.19 | mnemoc | Turl: for them OS and it's advocates are annoying buggers, doesn't matter how many people gets involved |
| 17:57.44 | mnemoc | Turl: the only projects that exists are those that produce money |
| 17:57.58 | Turl | mnemoc: maybe I can mention MIUI then :P |
| 17:58.37 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:58.47 | Turl | mnemoc: do you think it'd interest them if you're indirectly enabling MIUI to support A10? :P |
| 17:59.10 | mnemoc | not sure if Eva would care... |
| 17:59.23 | mnemoc | but you can try |
| 17:59.36 | Turl | worth a shot I guess |
| 17:59.43 | mnemoc | she is *the* entrance to wits |
| 18:00.38 | mnemoc | I thought you were a CM fanboy |
| 18:00.59 | Turl | mnemoc: I'm a maintainer and developer :P |
| 18:01.09 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:01.13 | Turl | hence why I thought of playing that card |
| 18:01.26 | Turl | but if they think OS=hippies I doubt that alone would do much |
| 18:04.05 | Turl | mnemoc: how's Eva's English? |
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| 18:04.54 | mnemoc | seems good, but I only share a couple of mails once |
| 18:04.58 | mnemoc | shared* |
| 18:05.12 | Turl | ok |
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| 18:06.31 | Turl | mnemoc: they should learn of companies like Authentec btw |
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| 18:07.24 | mnemoc | I'm pretty frustrated with allwinner |
| 18:07.34 | zenitraM | opens apple keynote |
| 18:07.45 | zenitraM | 2880 x 1800 screen lol |
| 18:07.51 | zenitraM | closes apple keynote |
| 18:07.52 | Turl | 2K+ base macbook price |
| 18:08.40 | lundman | new book did look nice |
| 18:09.52 | Turl | mnemoc: do they know of the qware release and continued availability? |
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| 18:10.31 | mnemoc | Turl: Tom said they considered it a leak |
| 18:11.09 | mnemoc | Turl: but that was before the scandal with Tsvetan's NDA and Tom starting to fix the license of the kernel files |
| 18:11.25 | DonkeyHotei | zenitraM: URL? |
| 18:11.49 | zenitraM | DonkeyHotei: http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/11/apple-wwdc-2012-liveblog/ |
| 18:12.39 | mnemoc | Turl: but just a couple of days after that they sent Tsvetan the mach-sun5i in .o and sun5i-cedar in .ko and stated customers are not ALLOWED to modify or see those sources... |
| 18:13.25 | DonkeyHotei | zenitraM: i thought you meant a video |
| 18:21.31 | Turl | mnemoc: an .o, seriously? >.< |
| 18:23.07 | mnemoc | a partial include/ mangled Makefile and built-in.o |
| 18:23.19 | mnemoc | just enough to compile drivers |
| 18:24.32 | mnemoc | but Eva's answer was more disturbing than that. customers are not ALLOWED to modify those, so no reason to see sources |
| 18:25.25 | mnemoc | I might have understood a "customers don't NEED to modify those" ... but a "not ALLOWED"... uhm |
| 18:40.16 | rzk | maybe she is just a contact manager that doesnt get what she says? like, thinks dont need and dont allowed is same thing. |
| 18:42.25 | mnemoc | uhm uhm... maybe |
| 18:42.55 | rzk | we have no contacts inside allwinner other than public emails and Tom? |
| 18:44.16 | mnemoc | we don't know anything about luke contacts, but based on his mails to the list he also seems to route through Eva |
| 18:51.23 | A1Sheds | one of my favorite Engrish comments is on a menu in the noodle dishes sections that reads " Do not serve with Rice"... |
| 18:51.58 | A1Sheds | I don't think it's against any rules but it did get lost in translation |
| 18:57.09 | Turl | mnemoc: wget -O- -q https://dl.dropbox.com/u/553461/eva-allwinner.txt |
| 19:00.44 | mnemoc | you expect me to read all that? |
| 19:01.38 | Brandon15811 | Turl, misspelled platform |
| 19:02.14 | Turl | where? |
| 19:02.32 | Turl | found a missing m |
| 19:02.44 | Brandon15811 | yupp, that one |
| 19:11.57 | Turl | Brandon15811 good to go then? :P |
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| 19:13.33 | Brandon15811 | Turl, spelled functionality wrong |
| 19:13.40 | Brandon15811 | million wrong |
| 19:14.16 | Turl | my i key wants to leave to a better place apparently |
| 19:16.04 | DonkeyHotei | aspell ftw |
| 19:17.12 | Brandon15811 | Turl, ericsson also |
| 19:21.10 | Turl | fixed |
| 19:21.27 | Turl | thunderbird speller doesn't see anything else other than company names |
| 19:21.59 | Turl | so I'll send it in a bit if nobody else spots anything :) |
| 19:31.00 | mnemoc | you could ask for the latest tarball.... |
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| 19:31.22 | Turl | mnemoc: tarball for what? |
| 19:31.42 | mnemoc | cedarx libraries and sample code |
| 19:32.03 | mnemoc | but qware's is recent enough |
| 19:32.07 | Turl | mnemoc: they were part of their android tree from what I saw |
| 19:32.43 | Turl | if we get this granted, then I guess we can take it to the next level and ask for the tarballs |
| 19:33.01 | Turl | I don't wanna be the guy who asks for all the things and get denied because of that |
| 19:33.18 | mnemoc | fair enough |
| 19:44.48 | Hexxeh | t0dbld|work: what for? (epic delay) |
| 19:45.20 | mnemoc | just found my "old" nexus one... it feels so small after having a galaxy nexus... |
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| 20:10.04 | traeak | is there a module for the sata ? |
| 20:10.15 | traeak | or is it not hotplug? |
| 20:12.21 | mnemoc | sw_ahci_platform |
| 20:17.05 | traeak | ahh configuration option |
| 20:18.03 | mnemoc | Turl: I just read someone stole rms' laptop on his visit to your city :p |
| 20:18.38 | Turl | mnemoc: he was ~270km away from my city |
| 20:20.33 | mnemoc | tries to guess what ciy is 270km from baires |
| 20:20.54 | mnemoc | rosario? |
| 20:22.53 | traeak | howz the 3.3 kernel doing nowadays? as 3.3 starts to float more and more out of sight... |
| 20:23.11 | mnemoc | Turl: as you mentioned your post office gets packages before they get cleared by the customs I assumed you lived in buenos aires |
| 20:23.43 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah |
| 20:23.50 | Turl | I live in rosario |
| 20:24.12 | mnemoc | traeak: the wip 3.3 compiles, boots and lcd/hdmi modules load... but no idea if anything comes out of the ports |
| 20:24.22 | traeak | heh |
| 20:24.28 | traeak | congrats for getting so far though |
| 20:24.29 | mnemoc | serial console is recommended |
| 20:24.39 | traeak | which i have |
| 20:24.51 | mnemoc | then you are very welcomed to test it :) |
| 20:25.19 | traeak | ugh the pleasantries of trying to learn all the fun of git |
| 20:26.02 | traeak | mnemoc: and other drivers? same state or toast? |
| 20:26.59 | traeak | does the sata have to be a module ? (just lazy) |
| 20:29.41 | mnemoc | android gadget is the only I know it's broken |
| 20:30.15 | mnemoc | sata works as built-in too |
| 20:32.22 | mnemoc | at least it should... |
| 20:34.29 | mnemoc | the serial driver is not completely ported but works |
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| 20:41.59 | traeak | what a waste of a 500GB drive..need to do some drive swapping |
| 20:42.27 | mnemoc | eh? |
| 20:43.02 | traeak | hmm...didn't see the drive |
| 20:44.02 | mnemoc | does it work in 3.0? |
| 20:44.11 | traeak | i'm using 3.0.31+ for now |
| 20:44.13 | traeak | that's yours |
| 20:44.34 | mnemoc | that version is known to have afunctional sata |
| 20:44.44 | mnemoc | I thought you were going to try 3.3 |
| 20:44.46 | traeak | just have to pick the right options |
| 20:44.47 | traeak | not yet |
| 20:44.56 | traeak | get the baseline working first right? |
| 20:45.02 | mnemoc | but yes, get it working in 3.0 first |
| 20:45.30 | traeak | since i'm there...do ATA SFF controllers ring a bell? |
| 20:46.00 | mnemoc | i've seen the config option, but no idea what is it about |
| 20:46.10 | mnemoc | not A10-related at least |
| 20:46.33 | traeak | the bad of configuring a linux kernel...you have to know a ton about hardware to khow what's going on |
| 20:47.22 | mnemoc | sun4i_defconfig brings sata iirc |
| 20:48.08 | traeak | updated then? |
| 20:49.22 | mnemoc | $ grep AHCI arch/arm/configs/sun4i_defconfig |
| 20:49.23 | mnemoc | CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=y |
| 20:49.23 | mnemoc | CONFIG_SW_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM=m |
| 20:49.30 | mnemoc | 3.0-v2 branch |
| 20:49.46 | traeak | yeah just lookgin at that |
| 20:50.01 | traeak | just noticing i guess you updated that since the last pul i did |
| 20:50.22 | mnemoc | then you did that very long ago :p |
| 20:51.43 | mnemoc | Date: Sat May 19 17:53:33 2012 +0200 |
| 20:51.43 | mnemoc | arm: sun4i: disable ANDROID_PARANOID_NETWORK and enable SATA (m) in sun4i_defconfig |
| 20:52.28 | traeak | so the sad part is i have no idea how fast this sata drive is under x86 |
| 20:52.59 | traeak | seems to have settled at 73MB/s with hdparm |
| 20:53.52 | traeak | wait 'til tomorrow..i want to put this 500 in my dev laptop |
| 20:54.00 | traeak | it has something trashy in it |
| 20:54.21 | traeak | for fun i coudl test the 1TB drive i have in ther also...that gets about 115MB/s (i was amazed) |
| 20:54.29 | mnemoc | mine is 120GB... |
| 20:54.52 | traeak | yeah, putting a 120 or whatever it is i have on the mele is a better option for now |
| 20:55.03 | traeak | anyways |
| 20:55.05 | mnemoc | I mean in my laptop |
| 20:56.05 | traeak | the datasets tend to be pretty big...my test ones run under 100GB each though |
| 20:56.15 | traeak | anyways |
| 20:57.01 | mnemoc | that's what test and build servers are for ;-) |
| 20:57.15 | mnemoc | in my laptop I want battery life :p |
| 20:57.26 | traeak | this friggin laptop is a 16" beast with core i7 |
| 20:57.31 | traeak | i only use it on the road |
| 20:57.42 | traeak | i leave it at home also in case internet toasts |
| 20:57.49 | traeak | i prefer the build servers as well |
| 20:58.04 | traeak | i replaced the optical drive with a sata drive caddy |
| 20:58.11 | traeak | but yeah...i prefer what you do as well |
| 20:58.28 | traeak | been lookign at the lenovo outlet sometimes seeing e350 x120e's for under 250USD |
| 20:59.07 | mnemoc | uses a x120e/e350/4GB/120GB-SSD :) |
| 20:59.23 | mnemoc | + real keyboard + 24" TFT |
| 20:59.26 | traeak | ahh SSD |
| 20:59.35 | traeak | x220s are quite a bit richer |
| 20:59.47 | traeak | any compelling reason for the ssd ? |
| 20:59.54 | mnemoc | battery |
| 20:59.57 | traeak | okay |
| 20:59.59 | traeak | i can buy that |
| 21:00.03 | traeak | otherwise i don't care |
| 21:00.23 | traeak | the ssd is taht much better then? |
| 21:00.48 | mnemoc | they are more fragile |
| 21:01.01 | mnemoc | but consume less, and work faster |
| 21:01.10 | traeak | nice, hotplug works |
| 21:01.25 | mnemoc | but in my case it's mostly about the battery |
| 21:02.08 | mnemoc | grep-ing large code bases on slow disks is a pain |
| 21:02.27 | mnemoc | but `git grep` helps a lot anyway |
| 21:02.39 | traeak | git isn't exactly a speed beast |
| 21:03.10 | mnemoc | git grep is much faster than grep -r |
| 21:03.10 | mnemoc | even on ssd |
| 21:04.58 | mnemoc | I really miss it when using svn |
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| 21:28.30 | hno | FEL USB protocol have now been decoded from USB dumps. As in everything else there is layers with layers.. |
| 21:28.53 | hno | got quite obvious when the layers were shaved off. |
| 21:29.31 | hno | mnemoc, https://github.com/hno/Allwinner-Info/blob/master/FEL-usb/USB-protocol.txt |
| 21:29.56 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 21:33.58 | mnemoc | so flashing happens using this protocol and not booting something over usb? |
| 21:34.39 | hno | mnemoc, this stage knows nothing about flash. Only reading/writing memory and calling code. |
| 21:35.00 | hno | so it's booting |
| 21:35.35 | mnemoc | I had the naive hope we could use a mapped address to access the nand :p |
| 21:36.06 | hno | why? Just load up a Linux system and do whatever you want. |
| 21:36.47 | hno | quite likely the flasher application used by livesuite do support block level NAND access using the same protocol. |
| 21:37.17 | hno | but different commands. |
| 21:39.14 | hno | have only looked at the initial program load via BROM, not the flashing part calling the flashing application. |
| 21:39.41 | mnemoc | pushing a linux "installer" sounds indeed like a better idea |
| 21:40.56 | hno | and figuring out how to access "raw" nand from Linux. |
| 21:41.23 | hno | i.e. boot area and partition informaiton. |
| 21:41.38 | libv | hno: fantastic! |
| 21:42.44 | hno | remains to write a libusb program for loading u-boot SPL. But should be pretty easy. |
| 21:43.17 | mnemoc | hno: want commit access to the sunxi-tools repo? |
| 21:43.55 | hno | mnemoc, sure, why not. |
| 21:45.46 | mnemoc | all yours :) |
| 21:59.47 | hno | mnemoc, do you remember the A10 hardware chip ID/revision? Remeber seeing that in the source somewhere.. |
| 22:01.32 | mnemoc | 88852bd45b3daaca6b58bd072e609acba2f86b4c ? |
| 22:02.20 | hno | No not the SID. The CPU type ID / Revision. |
| 22:03.50 | mnemoc | MAGIC_VER_A MAGIC_VER_B MAGIC_VER_C |
| 22:04.05 | mnemoc | sw_get_ic_ver |
| 22:04.34 | mnemoc | in core.c |
| 22:05.14 | mnemoc | but that isn't very detailed either |
| 22:08.52 | mnemoc | after 13y (uh!) she learned to hate computers |
| 22:09.26 | hno | mnemoc, who? |
| 22:09.41 | mnemoc | err, wrong channel :) |
| 22:09.44 | mnemoc | my wife ;-) |
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| 22:24.35 | mnemoc | going to sleep. good night! |
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