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| 03:22.30 | hp_ | hmm i let the allwinner on all night running ubuntu idling.. it feels hot to the touche |
| 03:26.03 | DonkeyHotei | no surprise |
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| 04:13.48 | A0Sheds | woops sorry |
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| 05:16.06 | hp_ | cool i have printrun working on the mele A2000.. well working.. it started up |
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| 06:45.56 | hp_ | mele now booting to vga after reboot.. YES!!! |
| 06:46.00 | hp_ | one step further :) |
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| 07:07.20 | lundman | neat |
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| 08:48.39 | hno | hp_, have you updated the wiki with info on how to get vga to work in Ubuntu? |
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| 09:23.49 | naGt | hi all! |
| 09:24.38 | naGt | hno, mnemoc, thanks for all your help. I have u-boot spl working :) |
| 09:25.06 | naGt | good work |
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| 09:32.33 | hno | naGt, good. Sorry for the messup and thanks for being patient. |
| 09:33.05 | mnemoc | hno: what broken it? |
| 09:40.56 | hno | not sure, some changes in early ARM initialization code I think. Fails in u-boot 2011.12 or later. 2011.09 works. |
| 09:41.17 | hno | have not had time to isolate it further yet. |
| 09:41.54 | mnemoc | finally got a reason to solder the jtag? :p |
| 09:42.16 | hno | plus that my imaging script was using a static version of SPL (file name issue) so didn't notice. |
| 09:42.48 | hno | mnemoc, yes that would be a good idea. |
| 09:44.29 | hno | but I think I will focus on making an usb/fel SPL. |
| 09:45.20 | mnemoc | yes, that's far more useful at the moment that been on the master HEAD |
| 09:46.09 | rz2k | mele/one of the tablets have jtag on silkscreen? I have jlink-v8 for my cortex-m3 projects and probably can try to use it to trace cortex-a9. |
| 09:46.35 | rz2k | but I dunno how to find jtag properly, it has too many wires for blind guessing |
| 09:46.52 | hno | The idea there is an SPL that is loaded via FEL and then switches to zmodem for downloading u-boot. |
| 09:47.06 | hno | on serial. |
| 09:54.20 | hno | rz2k, the mele have an unpopulated 14-pin jtag header + 5 pin uart connector. Many tablets have 4 test points for jtag signals + 2 for uart, often unmarked. |
| 09:55.16 | rz2k | ly-f1 test points http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1096320/foto/IMG_0740.JPG |
| 09:55.29 | hno | all can be identified systematically as same pins are also GPIO pins available for program control. |
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| 09:55.59 | hno | rz2k, RX & TX is most likely UART0. |
| 09:56.31 | hno | and POWER should be V3_3. |
| 09:56.55 | rz2k | thats a button |
| 09:56.55 | hno | Or is that the marking for power button? |
| 09:57.03 | specing | hno: https://93.103.140.50/A10-MID/hardware/ see if you can find them :) |
| 09:57.29 | rz2k | so jtag can be idintified from script.bin, right? |
| 09:57.52 | rz2k | gpio's are set there, as I understand. |
| 09:58.27 | specing | rz2k: good luck tracking where the pins go on a multilayer PCB underneath a BGA |
| 09:59.35 | rz2k | yeah |
| 09:59.51 | hno | specing, hard to say. You need to probe for them. |
| 10:02.24 | hno | should make a small GPIO test program for the purpose. |
| 10:11.29 | hno | rz2k, script.bin is a configuration file. Do not help identifying which pad is which, only which functions are enabled by default. |
| 10:11.44 | hno | s/func/io func/ |
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| 11:34.16 | naobsd | https://github.com/naobsd/cm_device_allwinner_a10/commit/bd251d9569e728ef5be13e591c5fdd5bd47d6f7e new command/configuration to enter recovery for CWM/CM9 for A10. it should be easier than hackish echo/dd command line ;) |
| 11:41.03 | naobsd | I wished someone make this easy command when I wrote command line, but everyone chose command line... and now I'm thinking everyone say "echo/dd work fine, no need to use new another one!" |
| 11:42.11 | naobsd | maybe I should write this command 6months ago ;) |
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| 11:48.19 | naobsd | oops, BoardConfig.mk is broken... |
| 11:53.17 | naobsd | https://github.com/naobsd/cm_device_allwinner_a10/commit/52ebe810b09bc9143758e762c28c9fa05c5ecf23 this is correct one ;) |
| 11:53.36 | hno | naobsd, how is that command better? Only takes more space. |
| 11:55.57 | naobsd | it's just a hack |
| 11:58.21 | naobsd | space may be important on some case. I don't force new command for it ;) |
| 11:58.55 | hno | naobsd, also, shouldn't the boot flag be cleared somehow? |
| 12:00.04 | naobsd | well, at first, there is some restriction on CM9 implementation |
| 12:01.26 | naobsd | "bootloader" or "recovery" is passed when user choose "reboot bootloader" or "reboot recovery" from GUI or run "adb reboot (bootloader|recovery)" |
| 12:02.34 | naobsd | no way to handle it with "echo -n boot-recovery | busybox dd of=/dev/block/nandf count=1 conv=sync; sync" |
| 12:02.54 | naobsd | of course I can make wrapper script for it. |
| 12:03.06 | naobsd | then |
| 12:03.32 | naobsd | well, sorry, I couldn't read "shouldn't the boot flag be cleared somehow" |
| 12:04.04 | hno | don't even need a wrapper. Just an if. But still, shouldn't recovery clear the boot flag? Or how do you else return to normal boot? |
| 12:04.20 | naobsd | misc partition is erased by recovery command in recovery.img by adding /misc line to recovery.fstab |
| 12:04.37 | naobsd | recovery = recent CWM recovery |
| 12:05.31 | hno | How do that erase it? |
| 12:05.37 | naobsd | static setrecovery in recovery.img is only for "reboot recovery" in advanced menu |
| 12:06.15 | naobsd | recovery just erase misc partition. nothing is special. |
| 12:07.09 | naobsd | sorry, I need to leave for a while |
| 12:07.19 | naobsd | later |
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| 12:38.31 | hno | mnemoc, there is GPL licensed clock details in uboot. |
| 12:49.26 | mnemoc | hno: cool |
| 12:52.43 | mnemoc | hno: any idea why there is an static uart0 in rch/arch/mach-sun4i/devices.c beside the 8 uarts in 8250_sunxi.c? |
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| 13:21.26 | vaevictus346 | i have ubuntu running on the mele, and i want try try to edit the uboot from within the os - where is the file? |
| 13:23.38 | mnemoc | vaevictus346: with uboot there is no such thing, unless you use hno's branch which supports boot.scr |
| 13:24.32 | mnemoc | vaevictus346: uboot doesn't use a config file |
| 13:24.53 | vaevictus346 | i am following http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/debian_kernel/ , right at the bottom it says that for the special kernel set the uboot |
| 13:25.34 | mnemoc | vaevictus346: that refers to the uboot console, using a serial cable |
| 13:26.07 | vaevictus346 | ahhhhhhhh shit |
| 13:26.15 | mnemoc | those are environment variables to modify interactively |
| 13:27.36 | vaevictus346 | ok looks like ill be skipping that part. although i do have the usb adapter to get console access |
| 13:27.57 | vaevictus346 | is it possible to brick the device by messing up with the uboot console? |
| 13:28.29 | mnemoc | the A10 can always boot from SD, so you can't really brick it |
| 13:30.07 | vaevictus346 | ok noob question - if it will always boot from SD sucessfully, no materr what you set in the uboot console, what's the point in the uboot console? |
| 13:31.55 | mnemoc | uboot keeps the environment raw in certain part of the SD or nand, the console lets you: 1) modify it for a one time test, 2) make persisntent changes |
| 13:32.23 | vaevictus346 | ok |
| 13:32.37 | mnemoc | once everything works you don't need to mess with it's env anymore |
| 13:33.47 | vaevictus346 | thats a shame - because i am updating the ubuntu image thats on the wiki and had the intention of adding the more-available-memory tweaks to it, but it wont work unless each person that downloads the image is able to set their uboot :( |
| 13:34.49 | mnemoc | vaevictus346: fully agree. it's not ready for final users yet. but no one has claimed the opossite either |
| 13:35.07 | vaevictus346 | cant understand meles decision to put just 512MB in the thing, how much would 1GB have added to the cost |
| 13:35.19 | vaevictus346 | like 2$? |
| 13:35.36 | mnemoc | it seems it's more than 10 times that |
| 13:35.45 | vaevictus346 | wow |
| 13:36.31 | mnemoc | i'm not EE but it seems the board design is completely different |
| 13:36.38 | vaevictus346 | some weird engineering problem with more ram? or the actual cost of the ram chip |
| 13:37.24 | mnemoc | it seems to be related to the speeds needed |
| 13:37.44 | mnemoc | but out of my capabilities to understand it |
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| 13:47.46 | mnemoc | vaevictus346: but I agree 1GB would have been MUCH nicer, specially considering how much memory is taken for the GPU and VPU |
| 13:51.56 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: Craig master * r31b6697bc203 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/debian_kernel.mdwn: note about linked .deb compatibility with the currently available ubuntu image |
| 13:53.47 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: Craig master * r5902a08810ab /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/debian_kernel.mdwn: mentioned that changing uboot is done via serial connection |
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| 15:18.15 | ZaEarl | does our uboot support fastboot? |
| 15:19.44 | specing | ZaEarl: You can use xmodem |
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| 17:20.00 | PhantomsDad | Hi. I keep getting "bad CRC, using default environment" with latest uboot-allwinner. What am I doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/9gPqPpf7 |
| 17:23.58 | DonkeyHotei | PhantomsDad: how did you put the uboot on? |
| 17:24.48 | PhantomsDad | I'm following my own instructions, here http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/Building_Debian_From_Source_Code_for_Mele/ |
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| 17:30.30 | PhantomsDad | Also, default environment has "panic=panic=10". Think that should be "panic=10". Where does the default environment come from? |
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| 17:43.46 | jimyx17 | hi |
| 17:49.34 | DonkeyHotei | PhantomsDad: nandb |
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| 17:50.08 | PhantomsDad | ok, i see environment comes from include/configs/sun4i.h. So line 163 is wrong? |
| 17:50.40 | DonkeyHotei | i have no clue how it works with the spl boot |
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| 18:22.41 | hno | PhantomsDad, if you have not modified and saved the environment then it's normal. |
| 18:24.31 | hno | PhantomsDad, panic=panic=10" is right. It's used in "setargs=setenv bootargs console=${console} root=${root} init=${init} loglevel=${loglevel} ${panic} ${extra}" |
| 18:25.21 | hno | and done that way to allow setting panic to blank to not specify panic at all. |
| 18:25.47 | DonkeyHotei | it's confusing |
| 18:25.48 | hno | init=.. should probably be removed from there. |
| 18:26.02 | DonkeyHotei | i would have done panicarg=panic=10 |
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| 18:26.42 | hno | or have it in extra.. |
| 18:27.10 | hno | anyway, you really should be using a boot.scr, in which case none of this matters. |
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| 18:36.49 | sepp | hi |
| 19:07.23 | PhantomsDad | hno, in branch uboot-allwinner\includes\configs\sun4i.h, space needed in line 168 before "init=". |
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| 20:11.18 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: Gary master * re60f54824a6e /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/Building_Debian_From_Source_Code_for_Mele.mdwn: Instructions no longer work. uboot problems |
| 20:11.48 | hno | PhantomsDad, indeed. |
| 20:13.23 | hno | But.. I'll kill that init= entirely instead. If someone needs to override init without using boot.scr then set it in extra. |
| 20:14.16 | PhantomsDad | hno, Is init= why uboot cannot read rootfs on partition 2? |
| 20:14.36 | hno | PhantomsDad, what do you mean? |
| 20:15.11 | PhantomsDad | hno, I'm not able to figure out why I'm getting this. http://pastebin.com/jWQYHaJP |
| 20:15.59 | PhantomsDad | I've tried two different SD cards (both 4gb). |
| 20:16.17 | hno | That looks like a race where kernel tries to mount root before mmc controller is ready. |
| 20:16.28 | hno | [ 3.520000] Rebooting in 10 seconds..[mmc]: mmc 0 detect change, present 1 |
| 20:16.45 | PhantomsDad | hmm, root delay parameter needed? |
| 20:17.10 | hno | can you paste full bootlog? |
| 20:18.05 | PhantomsDad | yes, give me a minute |
| 20:18.21 | hno | It should wait on mmc controller initialization I think. But haven not verified. |
| 20:18.47 | hno | mostly focusing on uboot matters for the last months. |
| 20:20.21 | hno | DonkeyHotei, now renamed |
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| 20:21.37 | PhantomsDad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.56 | PhantomsDad | hno, adding rootdelay=10 fixed it |
| 20:32.06 | PhantomsDad | rootdelay=1 is good enough |
| 20:34.28 | hno | PhantomsDad, please file a ticket on it. should not be needed. |
| 20:34.56 | hno | card present pin can be read immediately. |
| 20:41.37 | PhantomsDad | hno, booting with rootdelay=1 succeeds but I get this. http://pastebin.com/TQYCFCwc Does this help? |
| 20:44.29 | hno | PhantomsDad, looks fine. As I said that init=... argument should go (and is now gone). It was an android leftover. |
| 20:45.23 | hno | You can get rid of the ext2/ext3 warnings by telling the kernel which filesystem you have on the root. |
| 20:45.29 | hno | (ext4) |
| 20:55.06 | PhantomsDad | thanks for your help |
| 20:55.25 | PhantomsDad | ticket filed |
| 20:57.47 | PhantomsDad | wonders if he filed ticket in right place. Is this a kernel problem or a uboot problem? |
| 21:41.06 | hno | kernel |
| 21:41.33 | hno | PhantomsDad, ^ |
| 21:47.08 | PhantomsDad | k |
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| 22:02.14 | robws | Hi. What is the best/easiest way to increase the size of the data partition on A10 devices ? Do I have to create a new livesuite image ? |
| 22:13.11 | hno | Hmm... now.. where is my mele? |
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| 22:19.10 | naobsd | oops |
| 22:20.06 | hno | found.. |
| 22:21.31 | hno | scratches head. Why is u-boot spl in newer u-boot still haning? Code looks 100% identical to me now. |
| 22:23.19 | hno | well.. a little (0.5K) bigger than earlier. Wonder what that is. |
| 22:26.38 | naobsd | good morning ;) |
| 22:31.51 | CIA-126 | rhombus-tech: https://me.yahoo.com/ddantas#ac152 master * r58c3b0dde945 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/Building_Debian_From_Source_Code_for_Mele.mdwn: |
| 22:59.03 | mikey_w | I don't want to build u-boot or a kernel of a root file system. I just want a 4GB image that will fit on most sd cards and just boot. Why can't anyone make a usable image too just dd(s) to a sd card and just works? |
| 22:59.23 | mikey_w | s/too/to |
| 23:01.21 | mikey_w | I really don't mind instruction on how to produce an image. I just want instructions that actually work. |
| 23:13.47 | penguin42 | mikey_w: I'm sure it'll get there, its just a bit new |
| 23:14.34 | penguin42 | mikey_w: Unlike PCs, at the moment you still need a different kernel/u-boot for each device type on ARM (although that's being worked a bit), and for some devices there are SD images |
| 23:30.13 | jimyx17 | mikey_w: and no doc... |
| 23:30.49 | mikey_w | I have usable images for my nook color, my touchpad (athough it reformats the internal nand), my witstech tablet, my touch book, my beableboard etc. |
| 23:30.59 | mikey_w | My mele A1000 nothing. |
| 23:32.09 | mikey_w | When my raspberry pi arrives I am quite sure there will be images for it to. |
| 23:33.13 | mikey_w | It's not that new. Just not there. |
| 23:33.14 | jimyx17 | the rpi goal is quite different from a1000... |
| 23:34.09 | mikey_w | Not really. |
| 23:34.34 | mikey_w | From my point of view. |
| 23:35.46 | jimyx17 | a1000 supposed to be an STB, rpi supposed to be a development board to learn. |
| 23:36.35 | jimyx17 | anyway you can try http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/puppy/ or http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_image/ |
| 23:36.35 | mikey_w | I was told the a1000 was a development tool for the A10. |
| 23:36.38 | hno | Ok, some progress. Updated uboot boots. But spl is a bit too silent. |
| 23:37.31 | jimyx17 | hno: great news! |
| 23:37.43 | hno | mikey_w, what do you want to have in the image? |
| 23:38.52 | mikey_w | A bootable sd card. |
| 23:39.00 | hno | mikey_w, booting into what? |
| 23:39.27 | mikey_w | A usable linux or android desktop. |
| 23:40.17 | hno | we don't really have X11 running nicely yet. |
| 23:40.46 | hno | android is not my game. |
| 23:40.48 | mikey_w | Ok a usable ICS, no X11 needed. |
| 23:43.01 | naobsd | MK802 (USB stick style Android device) has ICS |
| 23:43.39 | mikey_w | I have two a1000s that are boat anchors at the moment. |
| 23:45.38 | hno | Any stock A10 ICS should work on the Mele, just replace system.bin. |
| 23:45.44 | naobsd | mikey_w: why do you need ICS? |
| 23:46.02 | mikey_w | I like it. |
| 23:47.14 | hno | mikey_w, so get an ICS A10 firmware, unpack it, replace system.bin, pack it, and flash it to the mele using either phoenixcard or licesuite (requires special USB cable, which many already have at home without knowing) |
| 23:47.19 | mikey_w | I would like a nightly image build of android 3 that I could dd and use too. |
| 23:47.54 | mikey_w | Me use windoze are you kidding! |
| 23:49.45 | hno | could say the same about me spending time on Android. |
| 23:50.03 | mikey_w | I think the .bin files not being human readable is an affront to the unix philosophy. |
| 23:50.59 | hno | we have tools to read them, and the system.bin format is almost human readable, you just need to use an hex editor. |
| 23:51.22 | mikey_w | Almost is not the same thing. |
| 23:51.41 | hno | A10 Android firmware files for livesuite is a different story.. |
| 23:51.54 | naobsd | I recommend to get new box which has ICS from factory :) |
| 23:52.16 | mikey_w | There is no valid reason that the bin files can not be text files. |
| 23:53.03 | hno | I would not want my kernel to parse text files to figure out how to configure the basic parameters of the CPU. |
| 23:53.21 | naobsd | system.bin -> script.bin in nanda, right? |
| 23:53.28 | hno | yes. |
| 23:54.06 | *** join/#arm-netbook nibb (~jyuyu@81.192.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 23:54.23 | hno | meant script.bin. |
| 23:54.24 | mikey_w | Some day some Chinese SOC user will have a brain fart and release everything and the product will sweep the world. |
| 23:54.28 | naobsd | I see |
| 23:55.13 | hno | mikey_w, in view of Allwinner they have already suceeded to sweep the world.. |
| 23:55.34 | mikey_w | They are delusional. |
| 23:56.00 | hno | why don't you grab the ICS sources and build it? There is nice howtos how to build ICS for A10. |
| 23:56.47 | mikey_w | Have you tried it, I have. Didn't get anything useful. |
| 23:57.14 | hno | have no reason to try it. |
| 23:57.30 | hno | but knows other have successfully done so. |
| 23:57.38 | mikey_w | Well testing is always a good reason. |
| 23:57.49 | hno | have no interest in android. |
| 23:58.13 | hno | prefer to spend my time testing stuff in u-boot and kernel land. |
| 23:58.45 | mikey_w | Understand. |
| 23:58.58 | hno | but there is others here who do run Android. |
| 23:59.20 | mikey_w | Can they give me an image to goot? |
| 23:59.28 | mikey_w | Boot? |
| 23:59.43 | hno | not sure if any have as focus to get ICS to run from sd-card. |
