| 00:09.20 | lerc | So the RK3066 says quad Mali 400. The A10 doesn't specify, Is it a single core Mali400? |
| 00:34.23 | steev | i believe so |
| 00:38.47 | penguin42 | traeak: That's got as much to do with whether you can get decent IO and a useful amount of memory |
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| 01:26.29 | hno | u-boot repository downgraded to latest working spl. Appears I only tested u-boot and not spl in the later versions. |
| 01:27.23 | lundman | ah |
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| 02:53.36 | killerkink | is there a "official" branch of ics code that is actively been worked on? |
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| 03:20.09 | ZaEarl_ | killerkink, the main branch is pretty much https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner |
| 03:20.59 | killerkink | thanks, zaearl |
| 03:21.08 | killerkink | looking more at the android sources and not kernel |
| 03:21.45 | killerkink | yes, i think amery git is pretty much the right one for kernel |
| 03:22.57 | killerkink | was hoping for a git that is actively work on that I hope to contribute |
| 03:23.05 | killerkink | if i can |
| 03:23.09 | ZaEarl_ | depends on what device you have |
| 03:23.29 | killerkink | p76ti |
| 03:24.01 | killerkink | i think there is a mention somewhere of a common tree |
| 03:24.12 | ZaEarl_ | https://github.com/Quarx2k is used a lot |
| 03:24.23 | killerkink | yes, i am using that as well |
| 03:24.38 | killerkink | but its really for aurora |
| 03:24.56 | killerkink | quarx2k is very good though |
| 03:25.23 | killerkink | are you using Quarx2k git too? |
| 03:25.45 | ZaEarl_ | forked some of it. https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team |
| 03:27.12 | killerkink | cool |
| 03:27.57 | killerkink | any one else working on it? |
| 03:28.29 | killerkink | did you have problem with cedrax on youtube? |
| 03:28.38 | lundman | not sure where to start with a10, so I'm still on cubox, or staring at the wall |
| 03:28.44 | lundman | I really should find something to do |
| 03:30.06 | ZaEarl_ | killerkink, haven't tried youtube lately. let me check it out. |
| 03:30.25 | killerkink | video keep crashing for me |
| 03:30.39 | ZaEarl_ | is youtube still flash-based? |
| 03:30.51 | ZaEarl_ | I don't have much hope for flash on android |
| 03:31.19 | killerkink | can you add memsic to your android_device_allwinner_common? |
| 03:31.31 | killerkink | no, i dont think its flash based |
| 03:31.47 | ZaEarl_ | what's memsic? |
| 03:32.03 | killerkink | mxc6225 sensor library |
| 03:32.31 | killerkink | some of the a10 tablet are using that...including p76ti |
| 03:32.49 | killerkink | maybe i can fork your git and request for a pull? |
| 03:33.00 | ZaEarl_ | of course |
| 03:33.26 | killerkink | seem like your git is pretty much open to a common a10 |
| 03:34.01 | killerkink | i use quarx2k nightly and the every video crash on me |
| 03:34.20 | killerkink | on youbetube |
| 03:34.27 | killerkink | flash-based seem ok |
| 03:34.59 | killerkink | will you fork the recovery branch? |
| 03:35.11 | killerkink | i have "hack" for getting touch to work in cwm |
| 03:35.47 | ZaEarl_ | yes, we have some touch recovery being worked on |
| 03:36.28 | killerkink | mine is working base on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1485829 |
| 03:36.41 | ZaEarl_ | last I tried it the menu was too long and went off the screen, but othewise worked pretty good |
| 03:37.04 | killerkink | hmm...i have not have the menu way off |
| 03:37.15 | killerkink | but then again i am not a heavy user. :) |
| 03:37.21 | ZaEarl_ | my internet is pretty slow here, but youtube seems to be playing fine ignoring the buffering |
| 03:37.38 | killerkink | strange. i wonder whats wrong with mine |
| 03:37.46 | killerkink | is yours using flash? |
| 03:37.59 | killerkink | i think the browser is using html5 |
| 03:38.00 | ZaEarl_ | youtube app from google play, no idea what it's using |
| 03:38.14 | killerkink | how about the browser |
| 03:38.16 | killerkink | ? |
| 03:38.37 | ZaEarl_ | youtube in the browser? |
| 03:38.42 | killerkink | yes |
| 03:40.08 | libv | mnemoc: a few days too early, but thanks :) |
| 03:42.15 | killerkink | seem that cm9 consume a lot more power than gingerbread |
| 03:42.26 | ZaEarl_ | killerkink, the video while embedded in the browser isn't playing, but not crashing either. I have to click fullscreen to watch. |
| 03:42.46 | killerkink | not even in logcat? |
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| 03:52.50 | killerkink | ZaEarl__ , logcat did not indicate a crash? |
| 03:53.12 | ZaEarl__ | looks like I need to reboot. can't even open a terminal right now. :( |
| 03:55.58 | killerkink | i see |
| 04:02.37 | killerkink | ok, i submit it as an issue to Quarx2k which hopefully is not a bother to him |
| 04:03.40 | ZaEarl__ | brb |
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| 04:08.57 | ZaEarl | killerkink, it does this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1017390/ |
| 04:09.43 | killerkink | same as mine. :( |
| 04:10.09 | killerkink | do you feel that cm9 is using more power as expected? |
| 04:10.35 | ZaEarl | probably |
| 04:11.46 | killerkink | i see |
| 04:12.30 | ZaEarl | it probably uses more ram, which in turn has to unload and reload activities more often |
| 04:13.46 | ZaEarl | not sure why it's creating a 1280x720 surface. my display is only 1024x768. |
| 04:14.22 | Turl | 720p video? |
| 04:14.34 | killerkink | thats what i was thinking |
| 04:14.42 | killerkink | mine is worse. 800x480(512mb) |
| 04:16.10 | Turl | flash video "works", it does software decoding |
| 04:16.20 | Turl | you'll be looking at a slideshow though :) |
| 04:16.44 | ZaEarl | yeah, if I tap the HQ button, it switches down to 320x240 surface |
| 04:17.05 | killerkink | did that work? |
| 04:17.14 | ZaEarl | no, same CHECK_EQ fail |
| 04:17.24 | killerkink | i have used your logcat on the issue |
| 04:17.36 | killerkink | https://github.com/Quarx2k/android_external_cedarx/issues/1 |
| 04:18.14 | ZaEarl | hehe, issue #1. |
| 04:18.24 | Turl | killerkink: btw, out of curiosity |
| 04:18.45 | Turl | why do people like you want to use youtube on the browser, having a superior app? |
| 04:18.49 | Turl | I never understood it :) |
| 04:19.03 | killerkink | not really. i was just testing it |
| 04:19.09 | killerkink | and encounter the issue |
| 04:19.20 | killerkink | i am not even a youtube fan. :) |
| 04:19.21 | ZaEarl | I suspect it's a larger issue of embedded playback |
| 04:19.53 | killerkink | i think the browser streaming is still not working on quarx git |
| 04:20.18 | killerkink | turl, seem that you are actively improving the kernel. thats good |
| 04:22.59 | Turl | yeah, and I'm porting android to the zatab too |
| 04:23.18 | Turl | I've been working with quarx too |
| 04:24.28 | killerkink | turl, was just testing embedded video and youtube is commonly use |
| 04:24.42 | killerkink | turl, i am working on p76ti |
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| 04:34.08 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Nathan master * r4d1b62e39884 /allwinner_a10/orders/nwmcsween.mdwn: |
| 04:38.32 | Turl | mnemoc: I've been rewriting the cpufreq handling to make the code more flexible |
| 04:38.49 | Turl | mnemoc: please have a look at it when you get a chance |
| 04:38.58 | Turl | mnemoc: https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/compare/allwinner-3.0...allwinner-dev-team:wip/allwinner-3.0/cpufreq |
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| 04:56.44 | steev | ZaEarl: what's the secret to building the mali module with your android setup? |
| 05:05.38 | ZaEarl | no idea, I just build the whole repo |
| 05:06.08 | steev | same here, but i keep getting |
| 05:06.44 | steev | http://pastebin.ca/2156749 |
| 05:07.48 | steev | ignore the java crash ;) |
| 05:11.34 | steev | keeps claiming it can't find some directory |
| 05:11.47 | ZaEarl | arm-eabi-gcc? |
| 05:12.24 | steev | that isn't the directory, that's the compiler |
| 05:12.25 | nikk | Turl, don't you have error on stock Gallery app with any videos on CM9? |
| 05:13.34 | nikk | It says "cannot play video", but MX Player plays in fine even with HW accel. For example, I can't play video, just recorded by Camera.app with "Gallery" player |
| 05:18.51 | Turl | nikk: yeah, it seems it doesn't handle content:// uris correctly |
| 05:19.01 | Turl | nikk: you can use any file manager and play video though |
| 05:19.08 | Turl | because that uses file:// uris |
| 05:19.20 | nikk | I know, just to know I'm not alone ;-) |
| 05:21.04 | nikk | Turl major issue I have is OTG - it works in 12mb (USB1.1) mode, according to logs. It's all in sun4i_hcd host driver... |
| 05:21.42 | nikk | tried to change flags with no success |
| 05:23.01 | steev | Turl: ZaEarl: any chance an update to frameworks/base can happen to get the new lockscreen stuff? |
| 05:23.31 | steev | packages/apps/Settings/src/com/android/settings/cyanogenmod/Calendar.java:72: cannot find symbol |
| 05:23.32 | steev | symbol : variable LOCKSCREEN_CALENDAR |
| 05:23.34 | nikk | i'm into it ) |
| 05:23.50 | nikk | enabled but no visibility yet |
| 05:23.59 | nikk | also weather is cool addition |
| 05:25.12 | nikk | frameworks part seems complete, settings part missing in my case ) |
| 05:26.24 | steev | ah, maybe it's settings then |
| 05:27.33 | nikk | fixed bletooth GPS bug in frameworks |
| 05:27.45 | nikk | but i don't know how to submit patch |
| 05:27.58 | nikk | do i need to post it to gerrit directly? |
| 05:28.10 | Turl | nikk: what bug? |
| 05:28.17 | nikk | wrong time |
| 05:28.28 | Turl | hm? |
| 05:28.30 | nikk | reported in case of NMEA parser |
| 05:28.44 | nikk | and, only insecure connection mode work in my case |
| 05:28.54 | nikk | there is typo in Calendar object |
| 05:29.54 | Turl | submit it to gerrit then |
| 05:29.57 | steev | nikk: can i see your patch? |
| 05:30.36 | Turl | nikk: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Howto:_Gerrit |
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| 05:35.47 | nikk | yup, thats it: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2258618/location.diff.txt |
| 05:38.55 | nikk | it uses Calendar.DAY_OF_WEEK instead of proper Calendar.DATE. Also, NMEA must report UTC time, but it adds local offset to it. |
| 05:39.39 | nikk | and, with my BT GPS, normal connection can't be established at all. But insecure one works fine. |
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| 07:08.16 | mnemoc | Turl: and mali? :) |
| 07:15.24 | hno | damn, hipboi left before I noticed he was here.. |
| 07:18.01 | Turl | mnemoc: I didn't get around to it yet :P |
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| 07:21.30 | Turl | mnemoc: pushed some more code to the wip branch https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/compare/allwinner-3.0...allwinner-dev-team:wip/allwinner-3.0/cpufreq |
| 07:22.29 | Turl | mnemoc: and here's a quick bruteforce scaling test I wrote :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/1017503/ |
| 07:22.42 | killerkink | turl, is this branch better than the leak offiical source? |
| 07:23.25 | Turl | killerkink: which one? |
| 07:23.45 | killerkink | allwinner-3.0 |
| 07:24.05 | Turl | that's my branch, based on mnemoc's |
| 07:25.41 | killerkink | ok. :) |
| 07:30.15 | Turl | good night all |
| 07:30.28 | Turl | (yeah I should've been sleeping LONG ago :P) |
| 07:30.45 | mnemoc | killerkink: his breanch is a tracking one, gets rebased often.... not safe for third parties to use it |
| 07:30.52 | mnemoc | good night Turl |
| 07:31.00 | mnemoc | bragj* |
| 07:31.01 | mnemoc | err |
| 07:31.02 | mnemoc | branch |
| 07:31.56 | killerkink | mnemoc: yours is not stable to use for android yet, right? |
| 07:32.37 | killerkink | Turl: good nite! |
| 07:35.30 | hno | takes a note to not do branch management when beeing up for far too long. Had pushed a broken u-boot version again. |
| 07:44.43 | nikk | killerkink nope. it's more stable then official one ;-) |
| 07:45.50 | killerkink | nikk: i thought mnemoc started before the actual source is available? |
| 07:46.17 | killerkink | nikk: are you using it in an android tablet? |
| 07:46.25 | nikk | killerkink: at least i have almost no issues with android-3.0.31-v2, which based on leaked (not official) 3.0.8 |
| 07:46.31 | nikk | yup |
| 07:47.05 | killerkink | nikk: wonderful! |
| 07:47.18 | killerkink | nikk: maybe i will start to use it. :) |
| 07:47.20 | nikk | killerkink: http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/33820-ics-404-ivi-cm9-firmware-for-novo7-advanced-btgpsusb-audio/ |
| 07:47.23 | nikk | ;-) |
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| 07:48.42 | killerkink | nikk: which branch are you using? |
| 07:49.41 | nikk | https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/wiki - preferred one |
| 07:50.12 | nikk | allwinner-v3.0-android-v2 |
| 07:54.24 | killerkink | nikk: do you think if it make sense to implement hdmi hdp uevent? |
| 07:54.42 | killerkink | saw that android source is also doing polling |
| 07:55.10 | nikk | i don't know ;-) i don't even have a proper cable ;-) |
| 07:55.40 | killerkink | ok, i did a hack on that on 2.6.35. |
| 07:55.51 | killerkink | not sure if it actually useful to do in 3.0.x |
| 07:56.04 | killerkink | kernel is still polling but at least it can trigger uevent |
| 07:56.55 | killerkink | mnemoc: will hack for hdp uevent be useful? |
| 07:58.39 | killerkink | hpd |
| 08:03.55 | mnemoc | killerkink: define hpd |
| 08:05.19 | mnemoc | any improvement and fix is welcomed, either for the allwinner-v3.0-android-v2 or wip/linux-3.3-sunxi/forward-3.0 branches |
| 08:05.32 | mnemoc | lichee-3.0.8 is fixes only |
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| 08:13.28 | killerkink | mnemoc: will try. but it will be dirty hack. :) |
| 08:13.37 | killerkink | as i am no good with kernel work |
| 08:14.22 | killerkink | but there is definitely a logic error in hdmi_core.c for detecting plug out state |
| 08:15.46 | killerkink | Quarx: does youtube streaming in browser work for you? |
| 08:16.13 | Quarx | killerkink: in browser no |
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| 08:16.52 | killerkink | you can play youtube video in stock? |
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| 08:18.16 | killerkink | Quarx: F/CedarXNativeRenderer( 4057): external/cedarx/CedarXAndroid/IceCreamSandwich/CedarXNativeRenderer.cpp:72 CHECK_EQ |
| 08:18.28 | killerkink | Quarx: any idea? |
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| 08:20.22 | Quarx | youtube works via app... i'll check this error in CedarXNativeRenderer.cpp |
| 08:21.39 | killerkink | Quarx: is the logic reverse in setparameter? when it check that IsHardwareRenderSupport() which is true but it return 100? |
| 08:31.24 | hno | Worket out really well with powering via uart module. So now I just need one cable to the mele for development- http://www.henriknordstrom.net/code/A10/uart-module.jpg |
| 08:32.49 | Quarx | killerkink: yes, IsHardwareRenderSupport() should be 0 |
| 08:34.37 | killerkink | Quarx: thanks. will test it once i get hold of my tablet |
| 08:43.45 | mnemoc | Turl: your branch about cpufreq enables debugging by force, please use #ifdef DEBUG instead |
| 08:55.59 | nikk | Quarx: hi! ;-) |
| 08:58.30 | mnemoc | killerkink: please fix the plug out logic first :) |
| 08:59.27 | killerkink | mnemoc: yes, I was going to do that first |
| 09:00.08 | killerkink | mnemoc: i already got a uevent hack done up for 2.6.35. will do it on 3.0.21 and let you review it |
| 09:00.51 | killerkink | mnemoc: amatuer work. :) it work but not sure if its the right way |
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| 09:07.51 | mnemoc | funny... just because I host the repo people seems to believe i'm not amateur :p |
| 09:10.20 | Turl | mnemoc: :P |
| 09:10.34 | Turl | mnemoc: yeah I don't indend to merge it as-i |
| 09:10.37 | Turl | as-is |
| 09:13.25 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: master * r13ab2f24db0f /allwinner_a10/orders/MerQ.mdwn: |
| 09:15.26 | mnemoc | Turl: beside that it looks fine |
| 09:16.01 | mnemoc | Turl: can we port the same to the other sunxi platforms to keep consistency? |
| 09:16.41 | Turl | mnemoc: sure, but I don't own any of the other sunxi |
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| 10:17.09 | Tsvetan | hi |
| 10:17.22 | Turl | hi Tsvetan |
| 10:17.46 | Tsvetan | don't know what to do with Allwinner git, they offer me access if I sign NDA and do not disclosure the sources with 3rd party |
| 10:18.54 | Turl | Tsvetan: what git, kernel sources? |
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| 10:19.33 | Tsvetan | Turl: yes, the A10-A13 Linux and Android sources! |
| 10:19.43 | Turl | :/ |
| 10:19.57 | Turl | doing so with android is actually legal |
| 10:20.02 | Turl | but not so much with linux |
| 10:20.23 | Turl | Tsvetan: did you try to explain to them that if you ship working device with linux, you need to disclose sources? |
| 10:21.01 | Tsvetan | Turl: they do not care at all |
| 10:21.17 | Tsvetan | I'm in stalemate situation |
| 10:22.14 | Turl | Tsvetan: were you going to buy a significant amount of A10/A13? |
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| 10:22.48 | Tsvetan | Turl: not so significant that they would care about lost me as customer |
| 10:22.53 | Turl | someone who is buying a lot of devices would maybe have better luck |
| 10:23.39 | Turl | maybe QWare? |
| 10:23.50 | Turl | any idea what's their market reach? |
| 10:25.40 | Tsvetan | lkcl is working on big project and I'm interested how he will handle this as well |
| 10:26.24 | mnemoc | Tsvetan: hi, he doesn't come here often, you may have better luck on the mailing list |
| 10:26.49 | mnemoc | (or private mail, but mail instead of irc) |
| 10:27.25 | Tsvetan | sure ok, I just though here are many people and they may have been in similar situation |
| 10:27.38 | mnemoc | Turl: Qware chose to violate the NDA they signed with allwinner, and they (allwinner) considers it a leak |
| 10:27.59 | mnemoc | Qware probably got their git access revoked |
| 10:28.08 | Turl | mnemoc: that's fact or your guess? |
| 10:28.20 | Turl | maybe allwinner granted them permission |
| 10:28.37 | mnemoc | Turl: hipboi said they consider it a leak |
| 10:28.38 | Turl | to not lose their hw buy |
| 10:28.51 | Turl | ah |
| 10:29.24 | Turl | what about .36? |
| 10:29.28 | Turl | was it a leak too? |
| 10:29.38 | Tsvetan | it may have no so much development since February anyway, so for the moment I will pass and not sign the NDA |
| 10:29.48 | mnemoc | seems so.... that account belongs to Tom, not allwinner |
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| 10:30.47 | mnemoc | Turl: and the file there don't have proper GPL headers either |
| 10:30.51 | mnemoc | files* |
| 10:31.12 | mnemoc | Turl: so even if publicly available, the right to use it is unclear |
| 10:31.26 | Turl | funny how an allwinner employee encourages using their own leaked code :P |
| 10:31.49 | mnemoc | he doesn't seem to like much the way his employer deals with these things |
| 10:32.03 | Tsvetan | Turl: I guess it Tom's boss find this out he is in trouble |
| 10:32.21 | mnemoc | but he also said his boss may have changed a bit his mind after talking with linux developers in ubuntu connect |
| 10:32.28 | Tsvetan | fortunately Chinese Interenet access is quite restricted, for instance they couldn't read my wordpress blog :-) |
| 10:32.37 | mnemoc | Tsvetan: yes |
| 10:33.08 | Turl | btw have you ever heard of LiFe batteries? |
| 10:33.25 | mnemoc | Tsvetan: he also said they don't know sun5i sources were part of Qware's "leak" |
| 10:33.33 | Turl | according to the axp source, that's what they pack on devices :P |
| 10:37.31 | Tsvetan | where do you see this? |
| 10:37.40 | Tsvetan | my AXP209 datasheet says: AXP209 is a highly integrated power management IC that provides easy and flexible power solution for applications that powered by single cell Li-battery (Li-ion or Li-polymer) and require multi-power outputs as well. It has fully met the increasingly complex needs of application processors on accurate power control. |
| 10:39.44 | mnemoc | Tsvetan: OT: do you have some drawings about the A13 olinuxino I could show my boss? |
| 10:40.03 | Tsvetan | we are about to complete the schematic |
| 10:40.28 | Tsvetan | we just have to do some CH7009 prototype first to see if it will work at all with A13 before put it on the schematic |
| 10:40.54 | Tsvetan | so let's say A13-OLinuXino schematic is ready on 90% |
| 10:41.44 | Tsvetan | A10 still didn't started as it's easier to route device with 170 pins compared to device with 440 pins :) |
| 10:41.58 | mnemoc | it's just so he understand roughly how will it look like |
| 10:42.12 | Tsvetan | but generally what we test now with A13 will help for A10 and it will move faster |
| 10:42.20 | mnemoc | ouch, didn't know they were THAT different |
| 10:42.43 | Tsvetan | this is why I decided to start with A13, it's easier to complete |
| 10:43.06 | mnemoc | sounds like a good idea |
| 10:49.35 | mnemoc | MaDMaLKaV: couldn't you hit [compose] instead of stealing a totally unrelated thread? :'( |
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| 11:04.01 | killerkink___ | mnemoc: drop a pull request on hdmi cable plugout detection |
| 11:04.49 | hp_ | mnemoc i plugged back the vga connection.. hope a image now will work and boot to screen :) |
| 11:07.55 | mnemoc | ZaEarl: Tsvetan just sent a mail to arm-netbook that you may be interested in |
| 11:08.08 | mnemoc | hp_: good luck :) |
| 11:08.12 | mnemoc | killerkink___: replied |
| 11:30.19 | killerkink___ | mnemoc: plugout didnt work as hdmi_state always get set to HDMI_State_Wait_Hpd before it reached the check |
| 11:31.09 | hp_ | killerkink__: are you trying to bringout a hdmi support for ubuntu? |
| 11:32.06 | killerkink___ | hp_: no, i am using android. just fixing the hdmi plugout detection |
| 11:32.21 | killerkink___ | hp_: it should work on ubuntu/linux as well |
| 11:32.40 | hp_ | killerkink__: ahh ok.. i haven't gotten ubuntu + hdmi working yet on my melee |
| 11:32.42 | killerkink___ | hp_: hoping to implement hdmi plugin/out uevent |
| 11:42.37 | hp_ | killerkink___: sounds like some work |
| 11:42.50 | hp_ | did anyone try the alternative puppy linux distro? |
| 11:43.29 | killerkink___ | hp_ : it actually not difficult to get it to work. i have some hack but not sure its the right way to do it. :) |
| 11:43.44 | hp_ | killerkink__: hack for what? :) |
| 11:43.56 | hp_ | ahh the plugin/out |
| 11:44.07 | hp_ | well let it code review by someone :) |
| 11:44.20 | killerkink___ | hp_: yeah. isnt thats what you talking about? |
| 11:44.34 | killerkink___ | hp_: yes, i will ask amery to review and give pointer |
| 11:46.01 | mnemoc | killerkink___: I'm not qualified to review such thing |
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| 11:46.59 | killerkink___ | mnemoc: ok, at least give me pointer and let me if it will merge into your branch. :) |
| 11:47.08 | mnemoc | unless something looks obviusly wrong I can only trust the rest of the community |
| 11:47.26 | mnemoc | killerkink___: the plugout thing? it's already merged |
| 11:47.33 | mnemoc | killerkink___: and the pull request closed |
| 11:47.39 | killerkink___ | mnemoc: no, hdmi uevent |
| 11:47.56 | mnemoc | ah, ok |
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| 11:48.43 | penguin42 | worries if Allwinner are still playing this game with the source, is it really appropriate to use it in the EOMA board |
| 11:49.08 | mnemoc | the A10-based EOMA card is only the first of it's kind |
| 11:49.58 | mnemoc | and I'm sure sooner than later they will change their attitude, at least with these chips |
| 11:50.02 | penguin42 | mnemoc: I wonder whether it's worth just skipping the A10 one and use something else |
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| 11:50.29 | penguin42 | it doesn't seem right to put money to them |
| 11:50.42 | mnemoc | penguin42: no idea, but I'm already far more commited with sun4i than with eoma itself :-/ |
| 11:51.23 | mnemoc | penguin42: so I don't have time to care about anything other alternative |
| 11:51.32 | mnemoc | s/anything/any/ |
| 11:51.33 | penguin42 | yeh, I don't have that problem! |
| 11:51.40 | mnemoc | :) |
| 11:52.06 | mnemoc | also, I don't search profit like many others do |
| 11:52.57 | penguin42 | mnemoc: the A10 is a bizarre mess, there is GPL code out there so in that sense it's good, but there again from a pissy company |
| 11:53.00 | mnemoc | my fear/frustration comes with the capability of been able to mainline the invested work or not |
| 11:53.39 | penguin42 | mnemoc: To the mainline kernel? |
| 11:53.40 | mnemoc | penguin42: the available code is NOT gpl |
| 11:53.43 | mnemoc | penguin42: yes |
| 11:54.26 | penguin42 | mnemoc: Oh, if it's not gpl then you can't mainline it - and IMHO you can't really use it to clone GPL code from unless you're very careful |
| 11:56.22 | mnemoc | I trust that people who has invested large $$ on these SoCs will get the licensing problem solved before the code reaches the level of starting trying to mainline anything |
| 11:56.44 | penguin42 | mnemoc: Has any large company invested large $$ on these SoCs? |
| 11:56.48 | mnemoc | in the mean time, I learn kernel and arm development |
| 11:57.11 | mnemoc | penguin42: large is relative |
| 11:57.24 | penguin42 | mnemoc: Large enough to care about getting the licensing right |
| 11:57.29 | mnemoc | penguin42: to me even the 1000 units Tsvetan bought are huge numbers |
| 11:57.37 | mnemoc | penguin42: I trust lkcl for that |
| 11:57.48 | mnemoc | lkcl: should I? |
| 12:02.39 | hno | mnemoc, the A10 is not used much outside China where no one cares about licensing, and not even western manufacturers of this class of devices care many cents about Linux kernel licensing |
| 12:03.33 | hno | mnemoc, 1000 CPUs is no more than a test beta production batch. |
| 12:04.31 | mnemoc | hno: good I don't plan to sell anything allwinner-based ;-) or anything at all :p |
| 12:04.45 | hno | about a days production in a small factory. |
| 12:05.28 | mnemoc | hno: I still gain the experience I seek even If at the end I have to drop linux-allwinner without mainlining anything |
| 12:05.55 | hno | yes, it's a good excersise. |
| 12:06.10 | mnemoc | but I hope I can get mainlining experience too ;-) |
| 12:08.49 | mnemoc | I work for a GPL violator myself... |
| 12:09.38 | mnemoc | real world sucks |
| 12:10.24 | hno | estimates 99% of the embedded Linux devices you buy in western stores is GPL violating to various degrees. |
| 12:10.40 | hno | probbaly more. |
| 12:11.03 | penguin42 | anyway, time to go out and watch Prometheus! |
| 12:11.14 | lundman | bastard |
| 12:11.32 | lundman | release date in japan, aug 24th |
| 12:11.42 | penguin42 | lundman: Remember, on irc no one can you scream |
| 12:11.54 | penguin42 | ^hear |
| 12:12.08 | lundman | I'll mail the a stern email |
| 12:12.24 | hno | Almost everyone plays the "we will release sources sometime in future" or "this is the GPL sources, but btw we have removed several critical components..." |
| 12:12.46 | hno | (without saying the last part) |
| 12:16.12 | hno | and sources which are GPL-incompatible. |
| 12:16.54 | hno | but industry slowly learns. |
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| 12:30.34 | mnemoc | doesn't understand Tom's reply :( |
| 12:30.37 | killerkink___ | how to copy out the kernel modules after make module? |
| 12:30.57 | mnemoc | killerkink___: make .... modules_install |
| 12:31.04 | killerkink___ | where will it go? |
| 12:31.28 | mnemoc | INSTALL_MOD_PATH |
| 12:31.37 | killerkink___ | thanks |
| 12:31.43 | mnemoc | set to /lib/modules/$KVER by default |
| 12:32.12 | mnemoc | ehm, wrong |
| 12:32.19 | mnemoc | INSTALL_MOD_PATH is empty by default |
| 12:32.51 | mnemoc | modules_install installs to $(INSTALL_MOD_PATH)/lib/modules/$KVER |
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| 12:40.39 | killerkink___ | the script from the official source group them together in a directory which is much easier |
| 12:40.55 | killerkink___ | guess have to write a script to do it then. |
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| 12:46.44 | killerkink___ | nevermind. can still use the build.sh to create the module in output |
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| 14:16.19 | mikey_w | Allwinner was supposed to be a completely open hardware and software platform. So far it is a complete disappointment. |
| 14:16.45 | mikey_w | Binary blobs, NDAs. |
| 14:17.00 | mnemoc | mikey_w: don't confuse Allwinner with EOMA |
| 14:17.40 | mikey_w | Where's the EOMA product. Hiding in the smoke and mirrors? |
| 14:18.23 | mnemoc | mikey_w: you can't hide something which does not exist (yet) |
| 14:19.27 | mikey_w | Is there a URL that shows their progress? |
| 14:19.53 | mikey_w | Not where they want to be but where they actually are. |
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| 14:20.45 | mnemoc | mikey_w: as progress has be broken several times already the last update still current, there are only specifications and hope |
| 14:21.40 | mnemoc | the design and components which were supposed to be available and almost ready vanished |
| 14:21.53 | mnemoc | so everything started over |
| 14:22.26 | mikey_w | Vanished or never existed? |
| 14:22.27 | mnemoc | otoh the schematics for the A13-olinuxino seem to be almost finished |
| 14:23.07 | mnemoc | mikey_w: afaik, vanished |
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| 14:24.30 | mikey_w | Does the A13 SOC require an NDA for useful information? |
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| 14:25.17 | mnemoc | mikey_w: nope, only to buy a devkit |
| 14:25.50 | mnemoc | mikey_w: there is a ~60 page datasheet flying around the interweb |
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| 14:26.19 | A0Sheds | the A10 tablet schematics are also floating around |
| 14:26.30 | mnemoc | it's still unclear what the DVD on the A13's devkit contains |
| 14:26.47 | mikey_w | A real complete data sheet. |
| 14:26.48 | mikey_w | ? |
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| 14:26.57 | mnemoc | mikey_w: there is hope of that, yes |
| 14:27.02 | hp_ | Linaro Ubuntu release i read... :) |
| 14:27.17 | A0Sheds | mikey_w, there enough data available to make any board, that is the point |
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| 14:27.40 | mnemoc | for the A13? not really.... the info about the dram pins is a mess |
| 14:28.11 | A0Sheds | there's enough data for the A10 |
| 14:28.18 | mnemoc | for the A10, yes |
| 14:28.20 | A0Sheds | is there a schematic for the A13? |
| 14:28.33 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: yes, but inconsistent |
| 14:28.49 | A0Sheds | how about a working A13 board? |
| 14:29.07 | mnemoc | the olimex guy ordered a real A13 tablet to check.... but no idea if it already arrived |
| 14:29.27 | mnemoc | most claimed A13 tablets end up been A10 |
| 14:29.31 | A0Sheds | if Allwinner isn't answering the questions, then I'm not sure what you'd want to use the A13 |
| 14:29.51 | A0Sheds | but if you really still did then you could just check the PCB traces |
| 14:30.03 | mnemoc | as all SoC makers, they only answer to big money |
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| 14:30.26 | A0Sheds | so how are you going to get parts? |
| 14:30.30 | A0Sheds | this makes no sense |
| 14:30.41 | mnemoc | "samples" |
| 14:30.58 | A0Sheds | order from the resellers of parts that walk out the backdoor |
| 14:31.09 | mnemoc | yes, that was the first step |
| 14:31.47 | mnemoc | http://olimex.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/a13-olinuxino-1ghz-cortex-a8-development-started/ <--- look at the picture |
| 14:31.49 | A0Sheds | what's so special about the A13 to jump through these hoops? |
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| 14:32.48 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: afaik the fact that its' TQFP makes it very cheap to build the PCBs |
| 14:33.00 | mnemoc | but I don't even understand what that means |
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| 14:33.59 | A0Sheds | it's inexpensive to make BGA boards as well, there's a bunch of BS about this on ML |
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| 14:34.45 | A0Sheds | I don't want anyone that can't handle BGA's making my boards |
| 14:35.42 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: no one forces you to. |
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| 14:36.49 | A0Sheds | oh yeah, I might get a nasty letter full of metaphors and simile :) |
| 14:36.57 | mikey_w | mnemoc: the olimex URL does provide some hope. |
| 14:37.10 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: no one forces you to read the BS on the mailing list of a project you don't believe in either |
| 14:37.28 | mnemoc | mikey_w: yes, I have big hopes in their project |
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| 14:38.08 | A0Sheds | mnemoc, my point is that there is BS about PCB assembly and fabrication on the ML |
| 14:38.56 | mnemoc | I can't even solder a loose wire, so I can't comment |
| 14:39.03 | mikey_w | Pads under chips and hidden vias suck. |
| 14:39.15 | A0Sheds | the A13 pinout should resolve itself, it's no big hurdle |
| 14:39.58 | A0Sheds | nah, software is always a train wreck compared to hardware |
| 14:42.34 | A0Sheds | mnemoc, the software project here is fine |
| 14:42.39 | naGt | hi all |
| 14:42.52 | specing | TQFP PCBs are cheaper because you don't need that many layers |
| 14:43.20 | specing | And on the other hand, they are bigger because the chips are bigger than their BGA counterparts, which raises the cost |
| 14:44.19 | specing | So the question is what costs more (more layers on a smaller board or less layers on a bigger board)? |
| 14:44.24 | mnemoc | the A10 has 440 pins while the A13 has only 170 which I suppose makes a balance |
| 14:45.14 | naGt | hno, could you finally start your mele yesterday? :) |
| 14:45.29 | A0Sheds | if EOMA68 was managed by the community I'd feel better about it |
| 14:45.35 | mnemoc | naGt: you can use hno's HEAD now |
| 14:45.43 | mnemoc | naGt: it was indeed broken |
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| 14:46.01 | naGt | Today I've updated the git repository, and I've compiled u-boot again, but I'm getting the same in the uart port :S |
| 14:46.12 | mnemoc | uhm |
| 14:46.30 | mnemoc | hno: ---^ |
| 14:47.09 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: competition is always good ;-) |
| 14:47.42 | A0Sheds | is there another contest somewhere? |
| 14:48.04 | A0Sheds | mail in or scratch off? |
| 14:48.15 | mnemoc | not that I'm aware |
| 14:48.36 | mnemoc | but I'm sure there is room for another (more open) project with similar goals |
| 14:48.41 | naGt | mnemoc, I'm going to test it again. This time slower, because I compiled it this mornirng just after waking up |
| 14:50.15 | A0Sheds | the hurdle seems to be part availability, most parts you can just order, ARM cortex a8 and newer suppliers pick and choose their customers |
| 14:51.37 | A0Sheds | they either use a magic 8 ball device or ask a guy behind the curtain to decide if you get parts or not, otherwise it is the grey market for parts |
| 14:52.16 | mnemoc | Tsvetan had to buy 1000 A10s to start getting replies |
| 14:52.50 | mnemoc | and he was lucky |
| 14:52.58 | A0Sheds | that's odd, most won't even sell you one until they approve of your application |
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| 14:53.48 | mnemoc | ugly reality |
| 14:55.00 | A0Sheds | M$ has contracts that involve not supporting other OS's |
| 14:55.18 | mnemoc | allwinner in particular only cares about android |
| 14:55.20 | A0Sheds | has anyone seen a Google contract for Android? |
| 14:55.33 | mikey_w | Yes, you can actually hand solder a TQFP part too. |
| 14:56.23 | mnemoc | not me :p |
| 14:57.00 | mikey_w | I'm 67 and I still can do it. |
| 14:58.05 | mikey_w | Ooops, I'm 68 but who's counting. |
| 14:58.41 | A0Sheds | over the years it was found that machines designed for pick and place along with IR soldering did a much better job than hand placement and solder |
| 14:59.07 | mikey_w | Of course and they are tireless. |
| 14:59.52 | mnemoc | did you watch the videos from armdevices.net of the chinese tablet factory? |
| 15:02.38 | mnemoc | http://armdevices.net/2012/05/27/55-7-capacitive-boxchip-a13-smt-line-mass-producing-the-boxchip-a13-pcb/ and http://armdevices.net/2012/05/27/55-boxchip-a13-tablet-factory-tour/ |
| 15:02.56 | mnemoc | impressive amount of manual job |
| 15:03.10 | naGt | mnemoc, hno, Ok, I think uart is mapped to the SD card or something similar, becouse when i insert the SD card my console gets crazy! |
| 15:03.29 | mnemoc | naGt: that's solved in the script.bin file |
| 15:04.07 | mikey_w | Anyone hvea a URL for the A13 datasheet? |
| 15:04.21 | mnemoc | mikey_w: http://geeks.cl/projects/sunxi/ |
| 15:04.32 | mikey_w | Thanks |
| 15:04.59 | mnemoc | naGt: but the stock script.bin of the mele sends output to the the normal uart port |
| 15:05.19 | naGt | mnemoc, Ok, I'm understanding something wrong here. Do i need a script.bin to see u-boot SPL on uart port? |
| 15:05.29 | mnemoc | naGt: no |
| 15:05.35 | naGt | mnemoc, ok |
| 15:05.37 | mnemoc | naGt: u-boot has hardcoded info |
| 15:14.04 | rz2k | > <specing> So the question is what costs more (more layers on a smaller board or less layers on a bigger board)? |
| 15:14.05 | rz2k | http://iteadstudio.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19_20&products_id=175 |
| 15:14.11 | rz2k | http://iteadstudio.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19_20&products_id=517 |
| 15:14.17 | rz2k | feel the difference |
| 15:15.09 | naGt | mnemoc, :D connecting ground in the uart port did it! Now I dont see anything when I insert the SD card, but neither u-boot-SPL |
| 15:15.33 | mnemoc | naGt: you could have burned both... |
| 15:16.58 | naGt | mnemoc, Yes, I didn't see that the ground cable has been disconnected |
| 15:17.31 | naGt | fortunatelly both my mele and my arduino are ok |
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| 15:28.38 | naGt | ok, definitely i think u-boot-spl cotinues being too quiet. After "make clean", "make mrproper", update repository, check ground cable and recompiling it again, I get nothing in the uart. It seems that the issue has not been fixed yet. I'll be following HEAD commints these days |
| 15:29.18 | A0Sheds | watching the boxchip factory video shows you why they are so great at making things and why they are so bad at making thing |
| 15:30.01 | naGt | thanks to all! |
| 15:30.26 | A0Sheds | once something becomes tradition it takes a lot of effort to change |
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| 15:31.17 | mnemoc | naGt: :) |
| 15:31.27 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: those videos are impressive |
| 15:33.10 | A0Sheds | hah, I saw a frightening character in the background when they were testing the camera. Then I realized it was Charbax |
| 15:33.18 | mnemoc | naGt: you can also comment in hno's issue tracker |
| 15:33.33 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: :D |
| 15:38.20 | specing | It appears armdevices.net can't do any better than use the big brother's servers... |
| 15:43.51 | naGt | mnemoc, I'll do it! |
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| 16:20.16 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: what really bothers me with armdevices.net is that when he asks questions they are like if he didn't understand the topic |
| 16:21.56 | mnemoc | it feels like when I answer something to my small daughter and she ends with a "ah, ok" or a "and that's important?" |
| 16:23.12 | A0Sheds | "so this is the tablet?", and "here is the keyboard" hehe |
| 16:23.35 | specing | Damn some of the people here are really old |
| 16:24.00 | mnemoc | 67 is not old... |
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| 16:24.41 | mnemoc | twice mine, but I wouldn't say old |
| 16:32.09 | specing | Who is 67?! |
| 16:32.47 | A0Sheds | mnemoc, like the video here http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/04/16/sunlike-umpc-1021-85-usd-allwinner-a10-based-10-2-android-4-0-netbook/ |
| 16:33.28 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: watch the linaro connect interviews |
| 16:33.42 | A0Sheds | please no! |
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| 16:34.25 | mnemoc | specing: then why did you say "Damn some of the people here are really old" ? |
| 16:34.34 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: only to see what I mean |
| 16:34.52 | A0Sheds | "it's good?" hehe.... waiting for the salesperson to coma back with "no, it's really pretty awful" |
| 16:35.29 | A0Sheds | way over 30 |
| 16:35.53 | specing | Everyone here is old compared to me anyway |
| 16:36.20 | ka6sox | who you calling OLD? |
| 16:37.56 | specing | everyone here ;P |
| 16:37.58 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: when he asks questions to sellers it's not as bad as when he interviews people |
| 16:38.25 | A0Sheds | mnemoc, where is he from and how did he get that job? |
| 16:38.52 | mnemoc | afaik it's his blog |
| 16:39.20 | mnemoc | sounds french to me |
| 16:39.22 | A0Sheds | I really miss LinuxDevices |
| 16:39.52 | mnemoc | maybe fr_CH |
| 16:40.39 | A0Sheds | he's amusing, they could do a sketch with him on SNL as the guy that does bad interviews |
| 16:40.56 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: G+ says he lives in Geneva |
| 16:41.40 | A0Sheds | combination of Capt Obvious and quirky reporter |
| 16:42.49 | mnemoc | still he is the best video blogger in this area.... |
| 16:42.57 | A0Sheds | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/ removed that last post from the editor and all the comments |
| 16:43.23 | A0Sheds | everyone wanted him to start a blog |
| 16:44.14 | A0Sheds | Jonathan Angel |
| 16:44.32 | mnemoc | it's still available on my google reader account |
| 16:45.09 | mnemoc | meh, only the first paragraph :< |
| 16:46.10 | A0Sheds | http://twitter.com/#!/gadgetsense |
| 16:47.47 | A0Sheds | http://www.digitimes.com/index.asp has gotten to be too full of just PR and older news |
| 16:48.32 | mnemoc | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4966284750.html |
| 16:48.55 | mnemoc | they didn't remove it from that one |
| 16:49.54 | mnemoc | http://www.angel.org/gadgetsense/?p=117 |
| 16:55.27 | MaDMaLKaV | hi all |
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| 16:56.07 | MaDMaLKaV | first one to develop a mele-like imx6 based system at a reasonable price gets a 1000 units order |
| 16:57.14 | mnemoc | MaDMaLKaV: for a mele like device you probably don't need to wait for imx6 rev1.2 as the power management problem won't be that obvius |
| 16:57.21 | mnemoc | not having a battery |
| 16:58.36 | MaDMaLKaV | yeah |
| 16:58.47 | MaDMaLKaV | didn't even knew that existed |
| 16:59.50 | MaDMaLKaV | first one producing that hardware at a reasonable price wins 1000 orders, almost sure, I have almost convinced my friends that were willing to bring the mele to spain to skip it and wait for something with a more solid support in the software side of the things |
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| 17:19.14 | MaDMaLKaV | mnemoc ,as you can figure, our try to push allwinner through mele was a total failure XD |
| 17:20.28 | mnemoc | :( |
| 17:21.00 | mnemoc | sadly others aren't better |
| 17:24.43 | mnemoc | oh oh linaro 12.05 using linux 3.4 and android 4.0.4 |
| 17:24.56 | mnemoc | they move *fast* |
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| 17:31.23 | MaDMaLKaV | that guy from olimex comes to the irc? |
| 17:32.02 | DonkeyHotei | yep |
| 17:32.08 | MaDMaLKaV | what nick? |
| 17:32.17 | DonkeyHotei | Tsvetan |
| 17:32.39 | MaDMaLKaV | original |
| 17:32.48 | DonkeyHotei | [Fri 2012-06-01 06:09:49 AM PDT] * Tsvetan (d55bf1f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.91.241.248) has joined #arm-netbook |
| 17:34.35 | MaDMaLKaV | thanks for the info |
| 17:36.43 | mnemoc | I still can't boot 3.3 and linaro already published 3.4 based device images :< snif snif snif |
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| 18:00.01 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Dr_David_Alan master * r371d3e8c5647 /allwinner_a10/orders/penguin42.mdwn: Not interested if Allwinner are playing silly with the GPL |
| 18:01.30 | mnemoc | and suddenly the dungeon collapses... |
| 18:03.17 | A0Sheds | hehe |
| 18:03.53 | A0Sheds | Headline "Open project ends up with very little open" |
| 18:05.06 | DonkeyHotei | that's always the case |
| 18:05.23 | hno | mnemoc, what is the problem with 3.3? My minimal tree booted fine up to 3.4 development as of 2 months ago. |
| 18:05.25 | A0Sheds | well for $5M USD you can get a ARM license |
| 18:06.31 | A0Sheds | Renesas and Freescale have their support in the kernel, whats the story with http://www.stericsson.com/products/a9540-nova.jsp ? |
| 18:06.35 | hno | A0Sheds, or buy a lot of well tested devices with GPL source for most parts. |
| 18:06.41 | mnemoc | hno: haven't had time to compare the new 3.3 with yours yet, but currently I get full silense |
| 18:07.00 | hno | mnemoc, do 3.2 work? |
| 18:07.26 | mnemoc | I went directly fro 3.0-v2 to 3.3 |
| 18:08.09 | mnemoc | it's the full thing, not only the core |
| 18:08.54 | A0Sheds | http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/DK9500SNO10-PRO http://www.stericsson.com/developers/Snowball_flyer.pdf |
| 18:09.12 | A0Sheds | I called Digikey about ^^^ |
| 18:09.30 | A0Sheds | they carry the boards but no sight of the silicon |
| 18:10.02 | mnemoc | I hope to be able to diff the core bits of the old linux-3.3-sun4i with the new one later tonight or tomorrow morning |
| 18:10.30 | A0Sheds | http://igloocommunity.org/support/BSP_Releases Linux BSP |
| 18:10.31 | mnemoc | but need to get a lua templating lib working asap |
| 18:10.53 | A0Sheds | Based on Linux 3.3.1 and the Linaro Ubuntu desktop file system |
| 18:10.55 | mnemoc | A0Sheds: igloo is mainatained by linaro.... $1M for SoC |
| 18:11.02 | mnemoc | per SoC* |
| 18:11.24 | A0Sheds | so a million of them will be 1T? |
| 18:11.31 | A0Sheds | where do i sign up? |
| 18:11.54 | mnemoc | :) |
| 18:13.01 | A0Sheds | https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/QA/TestCases/Ubuntu well it's almost Linux |
| 18:13.42 | mnemoc | they do ubuntu and android |
| 18:13.58 | mnemoc | but upstreaming everything |
| 18:14.16 | A0Sheds | http://igloocommunity.org/support/Design_Guidelines they hardware design guidelines |
| 18:14.26 | A0Sheds | but where are the parts sold? |
| 18:15.22 | mnemoc | money upfront, buy the devkit, get your answes |
| 18:15.47 | A0Sheds | I don't trust them to be in business next quarter |
| 18:16.10 | A0Sheds | I need to buy though a disti like my other parts |
| 18:16.15 | mnemoc | ST? |
| 18:16.42 | A0Sheds | ST Ericsson, not micro |
| 18:18.51 | A0Sheds | so they are picking their customers? |
| 18:19.08 | A0Sheds | so it's not just trade money for parts? |
| 18:19.47 | mnemoc | who does real honest trading in that world? |
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| 18:20.35 | A0Sheds | most parts inside distribution, most people can just offer to trade money for some parts |
| 18:20.55 | A0Sheds | these must be outside |
| 18:21.22 | mnemoc | everything new and hot is outside normal distribution |
| 18:21.46 | A0Sheds | so imx6 looks like the only one |
| 18:22.17 | A0Sheds | only I bet it will have a 40 weeks lead through Arrow or Digukey |
| 18:22.20 | mnemoc | afaik you still can't buy them |
| 18:22.42 | mnemoc | it's no more than hope |
| 18:22.48 | A0Sheds | oh, the imx6 has been pushed back until at least Aug |
| 18:23.32 | A0Sheds | so best bet is deal with an oem out the backdoor |
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| 18:25.04 | mnemoc | dirty real world |
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| 18:26.47 | A0Sheds | I don't mind |
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| 19:29.34 | mnemoc | hno: in head.S they now assign 0x40000000 instead of 0x81000000 to r2.... |
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| 19:32.40 | mnemoc | anf they reserve a seconf block |
| 19:43.26 | hno | in the new source drop? |
| 19:44.32 | hno | mnemoc, you have the changes I had to make for each release in my tree. |
| 19:44.56 | hno | Both 3.1 and 3.2 needed some changes. |
| 19:45.19 | mnemoc | which branch should I use? |
| 19:45.43 | hno | linux-sun4i-minimal |
| 19:45.55 | mnemoc | ok |
| 19:47.15 | hno | it's a minimal forward port of 2.6.36 to 3.4-rc2 |
| 19:48.00 | hno | stopping on each major release verifying that it boots and talks, but never tested with an rootfs of any kind. |
| 19:48.21 | hno | and rebased to3.4-rc2. |
| 19:50.00 | hno | and cleaned up a bit with other general arm stuff. |
| 19:50.31 | mnemoc | \o/ got output! |
| 19:50.50 | mnemoc | changing r2 back to 0x81000000 |
| 19:51.44 | hno | Excellent! |
| 19:51.54 | mnemoc | and goes until the serial driver gets initialized and crashs.... but that was expectable |
| 19:53.27 | mnemoc | I'll sweep your changes before diving into the 8250_sunxi |
| 19:53.47 | mnemoc | http://pastie.org/4009845 |
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| 20:02.49 | penguin42 | http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=search&searchValue=I9300 is the way to release a blob of source |
| 20:06.38 | mnemoc | odd this 0x40000000 actually works on 3.0 but doesn't on 3.3 |
| 20:10.31 | mnemoc | penguin42: no, the right way is to work with the upstrea projects and get your changes mainlined |
| 20:13.44 | penguin42 | mnemoc: True, but that does take a while |
| 20:14.09 | penguin42 | mnemoc: I'm not sure whether they've already done that or not |
| 20:14.57 | mnemoc | penguin42: they are linaro partners iirc, so it's done or in process |
| 20:15.44 | mnemoc | penguin42: the main difference is that what you see is the blob for a device, Allwinner doesn't distribute any |
| 20:16.47 | penguin42 | mnemoc: Yep - it's also not too unusual for upstream to happen sometime after a device is released, especially if stuff was under NDA until release |
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| 21:05.37 | nikk | heh, i didn't buy today "ZaTab" ) it was with not-proper-glued touchscreen and stalled after five minutes on stock ROM ;-) |
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| 21:10.42 | mnemoc | ZaEarl_: ---^ |
| 21:16.43 | hno | mnemoc, 0x4xxxxxxx is the physical address before MMU is enabled. Once MMU is on all moves to virtual addresses as defined in the configured page translation table. |
| 21:17.13 | ZaEarl_ | someone's zatab had a bad touchscreen? |
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| 21:27.22 | mnemoc | hates section mismatch noise |
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| 22:02.23 | mnemoc | hno: I'm merged most of your minimal into the wip 3.3 port. arch_idle removal seems to be a 3.4 thing |
| 22:02.45 | mnemoc | hno: some headers that you removed as empty are not empty anymore |
| 22:03.07 | mnemoc | hno: if you want to play yourself http://dpaste.com/754407/ is what i haven't commited yet |
| 22:03.39 | mnemoc | and http://pastie.org/4010539 the current bootlog |
| 22:06.36 | hno | yes, some are 3.4 things. There is a 3.3 tag also. |
| 22:07.17 | mnemoc | uh, it seems i didn't fetch tags... |
| 22:10.39 | hno | v3.3.1-sun4i-minimal should be good for 3.3. |
| 22:11.07 | hno | this branch is rebased so the tags is what keeps history. |
| 22:11.34 | mnemoc | ok |
| 22:12.33 | hno | ugh.. github handles tags really poorly. |
| 22:13.52 | hno | ah,, only confusing. |
| 22:14.34 | hno | https://github.com/hno/linux-allwinner/commits/v3.3.1-sun4i-minimal |
| 22:23.24 | mnemoc | hno: from those I have everything except the cleanup in the mappings, which doesn't seem to be needed now, and the disabling of ARM_VIC which doesn't seem needed either |
| 22:47.12 | mnemoc | good night |
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