| 00:06.25 | _hp__ | hno this device has the option to disable hdcp.. when i plug it into my monitor thats not hdcp compatible.. my monitor starts to go on and off |
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| 06:36.52 | Tsvetan | hi |
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| 06:48.07 | mnemoc | wb Tsvetan |
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| 11:44.12 | hp_ | weee http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iFJWJ5UF--I/T8S1HIYEt9I/AAAAAAAAB34/4IuAsABCYWc/s1600/DSCF7383.JPG |
| 11:44.28 | hp_ | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hnqiirhA1iI/T8S1HiuREEI/AAAAAAAAB4Q/0GVRmUQggic/s1600/DSCF7394.JPG |
| 11:44.38 | hp_ | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8LNXpD71htw/T8S1HwztDRI/AAAAAAAAB4c/Denm5MvySno/s1600/DSCF7395.JPG |
| 11:44.44 | hp_ | internals for the MK802 |
| 11:46.43 | penguin42 | no spare space on that board! |
| 11:46.56 | mnemoc | 320x213??? :( |
| 11:47.03 | mnemoc | hp_: imgur.com ? |
| 11:49.40 | hp_ | i dunny why its so small argg |
| 11:50.28 | hp_ | http://imgur.com/z5X2E |
| 11:51.28 | hp_ | http://imgur.com/XYZOs |
| 11:51.58 | mnemoc | thanks :) |
| 11:52.41 | specing_ | What chip is that? |
| 11:52.50 | hp_ | mnemoc: no uart and no internal usb |
| 11:52.54 | hp_ | specing_: allwinner A10 |
| 11:52.58 | mnemoc | the macro of your camera sticks badly :p |
| 11:52.59 | specing_ | Really? |
| 11:53.16 | specing_ | Looks really crammed |
| 11:53.29 | hp_ | mnemoc: i can make a new picutre.. with a stand.. |
| 11:53.33 | hp_ | i can try |
| 11:53.56 | mnemoc | hp_: send links to the list! |
| 11:54.50 | lundman | :) |
| 12:07.45 | hp_ | mnemoc: i'm not on the list :) |
| 12:07.54 | mnemoc | :( |
| 12:08.49 | specing_ | is also not on the list |
| 12:09.25 | hp_ | erm.. i need to subscribe to the list :) |
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| 15:04.48 | traeak | no uart....trouble for uboot messing then? |
| 15:16.15 | specing | very. |
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| 15:56.54 | penguin42 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/29/dell_copper_arm_server/ Dell using Armada XP |
| 16:02.02 | specing | 40 bit ARM chips? LOL |
| 16:02.07 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Parth master * r4f868a3f87d4 /allwinner_a10/orders/Liminalbits.mdwn: |
| 16:02.46 | traeak | probably 40bit addressing hack |
| 16:02.47 | penguin42 | specing: I believe the ArmadaXP have >32bit addressing |
| 16:04.36 | traeak | if MIPS had a clue they woudl be utterly ruling this space |
| 16:05.07 | traeak | 40 bit hack for PAE type stuff so they can use the 8GB ram |
| 16:06.14 | penguin42 | traeak: Well there ahve been 64bit MIPS chips around for 20 years by now - not sure what there is in the type of low power/small fast multicore stuff these days |
| 16:09.01 | penguin42 | that Dell one is interesting though; it's not that dense, it's not that high a spec for that size of blade |
| 16:12.24 | traeak | penguin42: exactly. MIPS already has 64 bit, mips has superior performance/watt over arm (arm's instruction set is a disaster). they just need to adapt to modern manufacturing and that's it. |
| 16:12.51 | traeak | adding new io blocks, etc |
| 16:13.09 | penguin42 | traeak: with MIPS it's more of a case of getting someone to want to build one; I mean there were people like SiByte years back |
| 16:13.23 | traeak | i know |
| 16:13.50 | penguin42 | traeak: They did come out with 3 new cores recently (MIPS I mean) and they did just get into the standard Android set, so it's possible |
| 16:14.43 | traeak | yup |
| 16:21.05 | specing | The chinese are doing it |
| 16:21.08 | specing | Loongson |
| 16:21.31 | specing | But they've added hardware x86 emulation so I don't take them serious anymore |
| 16:24.04 | traeak | that's lunacy |
| 16:24.09 | traeak | x86 emulation |
| 16:26.06 | ZaEarl | that probably sounded like a good idea 10 years ago, and they've been working on it ever since. |
| 16:32.48 | mikey_w | Hi, I have dd(ed) both ubuntu and puppy image to 4 and 8 GB sd cards and have yet to have one boot? |
| 16:33.01 | mikey_w | Is there some trick I am missing. |
| 16:33.17 | traeak | and android pops up and it seems like nothing is there |
| 16:33.30 | traeak | mips seems ot have a lot in common with amd on the cpu side |
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| 16:33.31 | mikey_w | Many times on an 8B sd card partition 2 is empty. |
| 16:33.33 | traeak | years late to the game |
| 16:34.19 | traeak | probably not just mips though |
| 16:34.21 | traeak | anyways |
| 16:34.28 | mikey_w | Partition 1 looks good. |
| 16:36.35 | specing | I guess the ability to run windoze outweights efficiency and price |
| 16:36.41 | specing | ^ Loongson |
| 16:39.29 | A0Sheds | MIPS might have some viable SOC's |
| 16:40.26 | A0Sheds | so whats the story here, can we use this channel to share software ideas or if somebody has a different hardware interface other than EOMA68 will they get banned? |
| 16:41.41 | DonkeyHotei | no one banned yet |
| 16:41.49 | ZaEarl | A0Sheds, I'm pretty new here, but it seems to me like we're all working on the same source tree, so that's all good. |
| 16:41.51 | A0Sheds | I'm not sure if this channel or list is actually free |
| 16:42.14 | DonkeyHotei | the node is free :P |
| 16:42.48 | A0Sheds | I'm not working with EOMA68 since there are patents and it has too many wasted pins |
| 16:43.03 | A0Sheds | it also has no support for PCIe |
| 16:44.55 | traeak | eoma68 patents? |
| 16:44.56 | traeak | youch |
| 16:45.27 | traeak | mips just needs to incorporate a mali gpu |
| 16:45.29 | A0Sheds | i brought it up on the ML, things went ballistic |
| 16:45.38 | rm | Ingenic |
| 16:46.05 | rm | it's in some Ainol tablets and they have a pretty nice GPU afaik |
| 16:46.06 | traeak | ingenic yeah |
| 16:46.25 | traeak | so the vivante gpu has source, etc ? |
| 16:46.25 | traeak | hehe |
| 16:46.35 | A0Sheds | no source for Vivante |
| 16:46.39 | traeak | the jz4770 is limited to 512MB |
| 16:46.40 | traeak | no hdmi |
| 16:46.46 | traeak | so okay for low end tablet |
| 16:47.09 | A0Sheds | the marvell CEO is o the Vivante board, we asked 2 years ago to help write drivers |
| 16:47.12 | mikey_w | Anybody have any suggestions on how I can get an dd(ed) sd card to boot on a mele A1000? |
| 16:47.21 | traeak | but no competition for an a10 |
| 16:47.25 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: jaime master * r00e3821a3386 /allwinner_a10/orders/sistemoide__64__gmail.com.mdwn: |
| 16:47.44 | traeak | mikey_w: that's dicey, it's best to build the partitions, format them then put the files on |
| 16:47.49 | traeak | i haven't had luck with a dd'd image |
| 16:48.46 | mikey_w | Then why are they called images? |
| 16:49.06 | rm | to puzzle, confuse and mislead |
| 16:49.35 | ZaEarl | To weed out the novices. |
| 16:49.42 | ZaEarl | jk |
| 16:49.53 | mikey_w | When I dd an image for my beagleboard or my myriad of tablets they just boot? |
| 16:50.58 | mikey_w | Why are the mele A1000 images so broken? |
| 16:52.46 | mikey_w | "sudo mount -o loop,offset=$((512*34816)) mele-ubuntu-lucid.img mnt2" with the puppy image results in an empty directory. |
| 16:53.45 | mikey_w | Change the file name to the puppy image, sorry. |
| 16:55.10 | mikey_w | I am getting very frustrated. |
| 16:55.11 | A0Sheds | when I read the comments about violating the eoma68 standard and making cards that catch fire did anyone that that seriously as a reason to have a patent on it? |
| 17:05.56 | A0Sheds | why does an open hardware standard need a patent? Anyone see a good reason? |
| 17:06.39 | A0Sheds | maybe I missed a current story in the press |
| 17:07.08 | mikey_w | Weed out the novices. I can't even get a RTFM because there isn't any. |
| 17:32.19 | hno | hp_, UART is almost certainly on the test points next to the CPU. The UART pins is at the edge of the CPU there. |
| 17:34.06 | hno | mikey_w, I have an uboot image you can dd to a card. But it has absolutely nothing else on it. |
| 17:41.21 | hno | A0Sheds, it's open discussion here, but we try to focus on the areas related to the ongoing eoma projects somewhat.. |
| 17:43.46 | A0Sheds | hno: EOMA or eoma68? that's the issue, how to work with the software community but not with eoma68 hardware |
| 17:49.29 | A0Sheds | lets say something like an open standard free of patents for COM cards with PCIe |
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| 18:16.16 | Tsvetan | hi |
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| 18:23.49 | hno | A0Sheds, you are welcome to say. But there is plenty of patents in PCIe. |
| 18:23.53 | hno | Tsvetan, hi! |
| 18:24.06 | hno | is not really here tonight. |
| 18:30.38 | traeak | pci-e doesn't excite me much |
| 18:30.57 | traeak | i look at my systems here and all i see in pcie slots are vid cards and gigabit adapters |
| 18:31.11 | traeak | good gigabit, not crap onboard |
| 18:32.57 | A0Sheds | traeak, for things like miniPCIe modules in a laptop |
| 18:36.31 | A0Sheds | which actually use USB for the most part |
| 18:37.56 | A0Sheds | 24 signal lines out of 68 is a waste of space for LCD for most apps is the feedback from most high volume customers |
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| 18:52.34 | penguin42 | would really like PCIe - it'd be nice to plug a standard video card in or a few network cards |
| 18:52.58 | traeak | that's why you buy an intel based PC :-p |
| 18:54.24 | traeak | for raw performance intel is unbeatable at this time. if you want to plug peripherals than an SOC is useless |
| 18:59.36 | zenitraM | aaand 1gb mk802 is available |
| 18:59.38 | zenitraM | http://www.mk802shop.com/ |
| 19:01.59 | traeak | still too damn expensive |
| 19:02.39 | zenitraM | and they also advertise it as.. having linux |
| 19:02.43 | A0Sheds | traeak, I'm trying to standardize x86, MIPS and ARM cards |
| 19:03.24 | traeak | A0Sheds: i'm not sure you should uless the x86 itself is an SOC |
| 19:04.00 | A0Sheds | traeak, what difference do you see between SOC and something else? |
| 19:05.28 | A0Sheds | traeak, if it fits and works, does it matter if the x86 is an soc or not? |
| 19:05.56 | traeak | this is with respect to an eoma type platform or ? |
| 19:06.29 | A0Sheds | COM card, but not EOMA68 form factor |
| 19:06.57 | traeak | whats a COM card ? |
| 19:07.09 | A0Sheds | COM = computer on module |
| 19:07.22 | A0Sheds | what the eoam68cards are |
| 19:08.04 | traeak | are we going to see an increase in pci-e modules on these soc's ? |
| 19:09.28 | A0Sheds | do you mean: will there be more SOC's with PCIe? |
| 19:09.30 | A0Sheds | or? |
| 19:09.44 | penguin42 | traeak: There are lots of non-Intel PCIe motherboards - not many ARM ones |
| 19:13.11 | traeak | guess it all depends on what you are interested in |
| 19:15.28 | A0Sheds | the OEMs' we talked to found the A10 to be too behind the times, I'm just shooting for open hardware without the central control, so if somebody gets upset they have no real power to stop you |
| 19:18.41 | traeak | and yes, the a10 is aging, but probably still fine for application specific use. |
| 19:18.50 | traeak | android is more a dog than raw linux is |
| 19:19.02 | traeak | don't run stupid crap like kde or gnome |
| 19:19.07 | A0Sheds | A10 still has it uses |
| 19:19.22 | A0Sheds | same for the a13 and other soc's |
| 19:48.33 | Mazon | zenitraM: http://dealsprime.com/mk802-android-4-0-tv-box---4gb-a10-cortex-a8-1-0ghz-mini-pc---mk802.aspx <--70$ |
| 19:48.49 | Mazon | 15$ premium on the other site + shipping |
| 20:08.51 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * re15d72e86099 /allwinner_a10/orders/ (4 files in 2 dirs): order processing cleanup |
| 20:43.17 | mnemoc | hno: the pdf about boot0,boot1 and that stuff has the chinese text still there but transparent :p |
| 21:09.25 | zenitraM | http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=128443&pid=1111527#pid1111527 <--- xbmc on mali demo'ed by Amlogic |
| 21:13.24 | mikey_w | Hno, the URL to your image for me to try. |
| 21:17.07 | mnemoc | mikey_w: |
| 21:17.17 | mnemoc | meh |
| 21:17.22 | mnemoc | mikey_w: http://www.henriknordstrom.net/code/A10/ |
| 21:19.28 | Turl | hey mnemoc :) |
| 21:19.41 | mikey_w | Thanks |
| 21:19.59 | Turl | mnemoc: are there any figures of power consumption on A10 chips that you know of? |
| 21:20.46 | mnemoc | Turl: hno sent to the ML some data he measured on the mele some time ago |
| 21:22.19 | Turl | mnemoc: are there ML logs somewhere? |
| 21:22.52 | mnemoc | there is an archive on gmane.org |
| 21:26.01 | mnemoc | Turl: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.netbook.arm/2574/focus=2576 |
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| 21:35.21 | hno | mnemoc, there is an english one? |
| 21:38.39 | mnemoc | https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/A10/SPR%20user%20manual-2012.1.12Rev0.1.pdf?w=09d5b1e3 |
| 21:39.06 | mnemoc | sorry http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24940371/A10/SPR%20user%20manual-2012.1.12Rev0.1.pdf |
| 21:41.36 | mnemoc | hno: but if you select the text you'll actually be selecting the transparent chinese on top |
| 21:53.08 | hno | Almost as good translation as google translate.. |
| 21:54.26 | mnemoc | :p |
| 21:57.44 | hno | gorge line... |
| 22:01.19 | mnemoc | what's that supposed to be? |
| 22:02.14 | hno | serial |
| 22:02.54 | hno | clearly not a person used to technical english who translated this. |
| 22:04.07 | Turl | mnemoc: thanks |
| 22:04.23 | hno | The chineese overlay is annoying. Makes copy-paste impossible, it grabs the chineese one.. |
| 22:05.58 | hno | zenitraM, is the video decoding running on mali or on some VPU? |
| 22:06.17 | zenitraM | hno: seems like on their VPU :( |
| 22:06.55 | hno | Thought so... don't think the mali have much video decoding support. |
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| 22:39.40 | mnemoc | good night |
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