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| 01:35.27 | Turl | zenitraM: mnemoc I'm back if you want to ask anything re. mali |
| 01:35.56 | DonkeyHotei | adds mauritania into the mix |
| 01:53.08 | _hp__ | DonkeyHotei: just wondering do you have hdmi working? |
| 01:53.44 | DonkeyHotei | we had it working on the ZaTab with the mele image |
| 02:05.18 | _hp__ | DonkeyHotei: ahh tablet :) |
| 02:37.22 | _hp__ | darn i will get my Raspberry pi in wk32 |
| 02:37.29 | _hp__ | 10 weeks from now ugh! |
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| 06:58.49 | mnemoc | Turl: can you try if the rel1 works for you? |
| 07:20.12 | mnemoc | does lima use their own kernel driver or (ab)use mali's? |
| 07:22.47 | _hp__ | mnemoc: can i ask? do you have any idea where to download a10_modules_3.0.8.tar.bz2 ? |
| 07:23.18 | mnemoc | I didn't know about the existance of such tarball |
| 07:23.45 | mnemoc | I assume people just compiles the kernel and modules their own |
| 07:24.45 | _hp__ | you mean with rootstock? |
| 07:25.13 | mnemoc | no, with gcc and make |
| 07:26.03 | _hp__ | there are several references on the "how-to-create-your-own-debian-ubuntu-image-for-mele-a1000" from cnx |
| 07:26.17 | _hp__ | so thought it was a known file |
| 07:26.17 | mnemoc | url? |
| 07:26.32 | _hp__ | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/04/28/how-to-create-your-own-debian-ubuntu-image-for-mele-a1000-allwinner-a10-based-stb/ |
| 07:26.43 | mnemoc | that I don't know it doesn't mean it's not known :) |
| 07:27.26 | _hp__ | mnemoc: true :) but your very well.. into this kernel hacking stuff :) |
| 07:28.30 | mnemoc | _hp__: that's exactly the reason why I don't know about these tutorials explaining how to repurpose a binary kernel without sources ;-) |
| 07:29.05 | _hp__ | mnemoc: :) |
| 07:29.41 | mnemoc | _hp__: tar cjvf ../a10_modules_3.0.8.tar.bz2 lib/modules/3.0.8+/ |
| 07:29.48 | mnemoc | ^---- there your tarball comes from |
| 07:29.59 | mnemoc | sudo mount -o loop,offset=$((512*34816)) mele-ubuntu-lucid.img mnt2 |
| 07:30.18 | mnemoc | he mounts the 2nd partition of the image and tars the lib/modules dir |
| 07:30.28 | _hp__ | oh carp you are right.. it creates it duh!! |
| 07:30.54 | mnemoc | but it would be nicer if you use the open tree instead |
| 07:31.58 | mnemoc | and maybe helping to get proper .deb creation working ;-) |
| 07:35.10 | _hp__ | open tree? you mean from git right? |
| 07:35.54 | mnemoc | the git repo living in the open as oposite of hidden behind the walls of allwinner |
| 07:38.14 | _hp__ | i would like to help where i can .. trying to get my mele A2000 to boot.. creating another image.. if its not booting.. the usb -> serial will be connected |
| 07:38.34 | mnemoc | ok |
| 07:38.52 | _hp__ | mnemoc: your talking about making a how to using the open tree right? |
| 07:39.01 | _hp__ | i already have a clone fo your repo |
| 07:40.35 | mnemoc | if code gets improved enough a how-to would be quite small |
| 07:41.16 | mnemoc | like if we can generate .deb files out of the kernel with a good default config |
| 07:41.51 | mnemoc | then you just point people to the daily built .deb |
| 07:42.50 | _hp__ | mnemoc: yeah that would be a big big help for ppl for sure.. i'd have to jump into .deb files and creation of it |
| 07:47.29 | mnemoc | sounds like the right direction to me |
| 07:52.13 | mnemoc | _hp__: sun4i_defconfig needs to be improved for linux usage and sun4i_crane_defconfig for android usage |
| 07:52.40 | mnemoc | allwinner-v3.0-android-v2 branch |
| 07:52.52 | mnemoc | the 3.3 port still doesn't compile |
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| 09:38.04 | mnemoc | Linux stable kernels, 3.0.33-rc1, 3.3.8-rc1, and 3.4.1-rc1 is out. |
| 09:38.05 | mnemoc | Note, this should be the last 3.3.y kernel to be released. |
| 09:38.14 | mnemoc | I expected 3.3 to last longer... |
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| 11:27.49 | hno | mnemoc, I don't think atags is used on any sun3i platform yet. But there will be when u-boot supports it and then no. |
| 11:34.06 | mnemoc | hno: ok |
| 11:34.09 | mnemoc | http://armdevices.net/2012/05/27/yooe-f4-freescale-i-mx6-quad-core-9-7-tablet-220-250-mass-manufacturing-next-month/ |
| 11:37.24 | penguin42 | that will be nice - that will be a good price for a quad core |
| 11:38.45 | penguin42 | I'm surprised how big the package is |
| 11:39.42 | hno | I am surprised at how they let him film freely in development. |
| 11:40.19 | hno | if the board isn't redone significantly then we already know where the UART signals are :) |
| 11:40.42 | mnemoc | :D |
| 11:42.05 | penguin42 | hno: well the marketing guys probably said yes on the basis it was some good PR - and anyway, is there anything really secret there that they left visible? |
| 11:43.10 | hno | That depends on who you ask. |
| 11:43.59 | penguin42 | nod - the level of paranoia is always in the mind of different people |
| 11:44.55 | mnemoc | http://armdevices.net/2012/05/27/55-7-capacitive-boxchip-a13-smt-line-mass-producing-the-boxchip-a13-pcb/ is nice too |
| 11:46.40 | hno | Are they tumbling the devices? Lots of noise in there. |
| 11:47.12 | penguin42 | what are those things around 0:44? things with a couple of circles on? |
| 11:47.25 | mnemoc | no clue |
| 11:48.09 | mnemoc | everything in that second video looks very different than how I imagined such place |
| 11:49.01 | penguin42 | yeh I'm surprised at the amount of hand assembly |
| 11:49.33 | penguin42 | (for a cheap device) |
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| 12:18.23 | hno | And at least 2 people working on repair of malfuncitoning boards... |
| 12:20.09 | hno | with many boards on their desks.. |
| 12:21.47 | penguin42 | you mean the guy repeatedly clicking the mouse? |
| 12:22.02 | hno | but first half of the video is something else. |
| 12:22.18 | hno | penguin42, yes, but actually the two next to him. |
| 12:22.26 | penguin42 | yeh, I guess he's the one who declares them duff |
| 12:23.00 | penguin42 | still, it's better that they're testing them and it's good to fix because then you slowly figure out what you're screwing up |
| 12:27.56 | hno | still scary to see the amount of boards being for further testing & repair. |
| 12:30.02 | zenitraM | http://armdevices.net/2012/05/27/55-boxchip-a13-tablet-factory-tour/ |
| 12:30.13 | hno | Hmm... wonder how the test rig connects with LCD output. |
| 12:30.56 | zenitraM | i didn't expect them to be *that* manual |
| 12:31.53 | zenitraM | including a girl making noise to test the microphone next to another one plugging the headphones |
| 12:32.32 | penguin42 | hno: Well you don't know what % it is |
| 12:32.42 | mnemoc | zenitraM: watch the first part too... where the make the PCBs |
| 12:32.46 | penguin42 | hno: The testrig looks like a compression fit - see where he pulls the lever down |
| 12:33.13 | zenitraM | mnemoc: also seen it |
| 12:34.26 | zenitraM | okay, even better |
| 12:34.48 | zenitraM | the girl making the noise is recording a video and the headphones one listens to it *facepalm* |
| 12:35.04 | zenitraM | i'd expect some kind of testing app for those things |
| 12:36.48 | mnemoc | I should show those videos to people saying their jobs are boring :p |
| 12:37.18 | _hp__ | mnemoc: just wondering .. when you boot your mele is it with or without a keyboard? |
| 12:37.25 | zenitraM | also a girl connecting six tablets to a test wifi network at the end |
| 12:41.47 | mnemoc | _hp__: without |
| 12:43.59 | _hp__ | mnemoc ok thanks |
| 12:44.10 | mnemoc | _hp__: why? |
| 12:44.42 | _hp__ | just wondering |
| 12:50.38 | _hp__ | darn |
| 12:50.55 | _hp__ | when i use my old monitor with dvi-I mele says.. video mode not supported |
| 12:50.58 | _hp__ | ugh |
| 12:51.47 | penguin42 | you mean your monitor says 'video mode not supported' |
| 12:52.00 | _hp__ | yes |
| 12:52.17 | mnemoc | that's wrong resolution/refresh rate |
| 12:52.35 | _hp__ | i have a TV with DVI-I |
| 12:52.40 | _hp__ | it might work on the tv then |
| 12:56.55 | _hp__ | hmm my Pal tv is now a purple screen .. flashing a little |
| 12:57.08 | _hp__ | maybee i need to try my New Dell Monitor |
| 12:58.35 | penguin42 | is there anything wrong with purple? |
| 12:58.35 | hno | it seems mele HDMI output only works with HDCP compliant monitors/TVs. |
| 13:01.03 | _hp__ | my Dell Monitor seems to be giving a black screen.. gota wait a few.. to see if it boots |
| 13:01.34 | hno | _hp__, same on my samsuns, and many others have reported the same on DVI monitors with no HDCP support. |
| 13:01.52 | hno | s/ns/ng/ |
| 13:02.04 | _hp__ | hno maybee its better to use a full hdmi cable .. |
| 13:02.32 | hno | do not own any device with hdmi input. |
| 13:02.34 | penguin42 | doubt it, sounds like the HDCP has been turned on in the hardware somewhere - and it's whole purpose is to stop you using anything without it |
| 13:03.27 | hno | same symptom if I try to connect my PS3 to the monitor. All black. |
| 13:03.33 | hno | Laptop works fine however. |
| 13:03.47 | hno | same hdmi<->DVI cable. |
| 13:03.59 | _hp__ | hno.. neither do i i see.. its a display input i think.. |
| 13:04.17 | _hp__ | but my monitor is still black |
| 13:04.31 | mnemoc | why a chinese tv box would add HDCP? |
| 13:04.43 | _hp__ | darnit |
| 13:04.44 | hno | wonder if HDCP can be disabled in the A10 somehow.. |
| 13:05.50 | hno | unfortunately nothing is said on the HDMI controller registers in datasheets.. but code do mention macrovision.. maybe same bit works for both |
| 13:06.24 | penguin42 | mnemoc: Because they probably are signed up to HDMI org and they want to get used in blueray players or something where the vendors who sell them will need to have HDCP on |
| 13:07.07 | hno | HDMI licensing makes you really really want to include HDCP support. |
| 13:07.13 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Evgeny master * r0bfae2bd8e21 /allwinner_a10/orders/yellow__95__sky.mdwn: |
| 13:09.46 | hno | http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/terms.aspx |
| 13:12.18 | _hp__ | darn black screen and ethernet port shows slome light |
| 13:13.18 | _hp__ | time to hook up the tty |
| 13:15.33 | _hp__ | would the AV out work with the ubuntu boot? hmm i wonder |
| 13:21.20 | hno | _hp__, only if you modify it to set the output to AV. |
| 13:21.28 | hno | there is a program somwhere for that. |
| 13:21.50 | specing | copyright protection and chinese? |
| 13:22.01 | specing | This can't be used in the same sentence... |
| 13:22.30 | mnemoc | specing: as hno pointed out the hdmi licensing economically encourages them to do so |
| 13:22.56 | specing | Also |
| 13:22.59 | specing | https://cryptoanarchy.org/w/index.php?title=HDCP_Master_Key& |
| 13:23.49 | specing | Have fun :) |
| 13:24.37 | mnemoc | wonder what practical usage knowing that key has |
| 13:25.57 | mnemoc | as all this happens out of reach of the software we can touch..... or not? |
| 13:27.35 | _hp__ | ok ttl connect and hyperterminal open.. |
| 13:27.54 | _hp__ | its saying unable to open port |
| 13:27.55 | _hp__ | hmm |
| 13:28.39 | _hp__ | wee connected |
| 13:30.19 | _hp__ | mnemoc: um.. i'm not seeing any output |
| 13:34.16 | _hp__ | ahh with putty i see more |
| 13:35.42 | _hp__ | &t~½N«cËJrHb <<-- wierd output from the terminal |
| 13:36.14 | mnemoc | _hp__: wrong speed? |
| 13:36.49 | _hp__ | 9600 |
| 13:37.11 | mnemoc | 115200 |
| 13:38.28 | _hp__ | Password: bash: password: command not found root@--login:/# |
| 13:38.59 | _hp__ | looks like something booted hehe |
| 13:42.49 | _hp__ | Ubuntu 12.04 LTS --login ttyS0 <<-- me is happy |
| 13:42.57 | _hp__ | hope i can now enable ethernet |
| 13:43.05 | _hp__ | and open a ssh server |
| 13:49.05 | MaDMaLKaV | second try: anyone knows if the a10 can bitstream dolby audio through hdmi? |
| 13:50.08 | mnemoc | 00:40:35 < sepp> MaDMaLKaV: the decoder library/hw has no support for at least AC3 |
| 13:54.09 | _hp__ | mnemon just wondering have you ever tried putty to connect to ttl on mele? |
| 13:54.16 | _hp__ | i'm trying to login |
| 13:56.17 | MaDMaLKaV | ok , missed the reply, thanks |
| 13:56.56 | MaDMaLKaV | xbmc have his own decoding support for audio fromats IIRC, hope that will do |
| 14:23.05 | _hp__ | darn |
| 14:23.16 | _hp__ | tty is continiously asking me for login and passwd |
| 14:23.19 | _hp__ | arg!! |
| 14:24.49 | hno | _hp__, login? mine drops me directly in a shell when I run android. |
| 14:25.01 | _hp__ | hno ubuntu user here atm |
| 14:25.03 | hno | or is this ubuntu? |
| 14:25.10 | hno | B) |
| 14:25.28 | hno | root:ubuntu i think |
| 14:27.20 | _hp__ | hno good thing is .. i know it can boot now :) |
| 14:27.29 | _hp__ | one thing achieved today |
| 14:27.30 | _hp__ | weee |
| 14:27.40 | _hp__ | next step.. hdmi..:) |
| 14:27.43 | _hp__ | or something |
| 14:30.37 | hno | vga should work, but needs to be set up. |
| 14:33.09 | hno | HDMI licensing is lucrative, many levels of the producing chain that needs a license each. |
| 14:45.25 | _hp__ | hno, tomorrow i will receive the usb stick allwinner with android 4.0 |
| 14:45.36 | _hp__ | will see if it also shows the similar behavior |
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| 15:45.34 | mnemoc | _hp__: putty is an ssh client, not a terminal for serial connections |
| 15:52.05 | hno | hmm i wonder if it is hdcp. hdcp needs a key stored in each device. |
| 15:52.15 | hno | mnemoc, putty is a goot serial terminal program as well. |
| 15:52.26 | hno | s/ot/od/ |
| 15:52.41 | hno | and telnet. |
| 15:52.59 | zenitraM | hno: it might have that key stored. it being unique, that's another story. |
| 15:54.31 | zenitraM | remembers chinaphones where all of the models had the same IMEI, causing conflicts for operators and/or being blocked from the whole country once one of them was reported stolen |
| 15:55.20 | hno | heh, that would cause a bit of network conflicts.. |
| 16:04.49 | penguin42 | zenitraM: Oh that's hilarious |
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| 16:17.33 | PhantomsDad | I have written step-by-step instructions on how to compile and install debian squeeze onto Mele A2000/A1000. |
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| 16:17.47 | PhantomsDad | Mostly a consolidation of half a dozen articles. |
| 16:17.57 | PhantomsDad | Would that be of value to the community? |
| 16:18.37 | mnemoc | PhantomsDad: sure |
| 16:20.28 | mikey_w | PhantomsDad, The URL? |
| 16:20.55 | PhantomsDad | I haven't posted it yet. Would Rhombus-Tech be the best place? |
| 16:21.08 | mnemoc | PhantomsDad: yes |
| 16:21.23 | mnemoc | PhantomsDad: to clean those dozen incomplete or obsolete articles |
| 16:21.51 | mikey_w | Promises, promises. |
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| 16:55.34 | PhantomsDad | Anybody know how to fix this, short of me re-entering the entire thing? http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/build_debian_on_mele/ |
| 16:56.45 | zenitraM | the page redirects to itself for me o.o |
| 16:57.28 | mikey_w | Oops, not good. No solution here. |
| 16:59.31 | zenitraM | after some url hackery... |
| 16:59.34 | zenitraM | http://rhombus-tech.net/cgi-bin/wiki/ikiwiki-rhombus.cgi?page=allwinner_a10/build_debian_on_mele&do=edit |
| 17:01.48 | PhantomsDad | zenitraM, that's just giving me a blank page. |
| 17:02.02 | PhantomsDad | No worries. I've got the wiki text; I'll just start over. |
| 17:06.30 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Gary master * r4aceac7e4181 /allwinner_a10.mdwn: New article on building for Mele A2000. |
| 17:06.59 | PhantomsDad | lol, haven't posted it yet! |
| 17:09.04 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Gary master * r58a4226ca133 /Building_Debian_From_Source_Code_for_Mele.mdwn: |
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| 17:25.14 | PhantomsDad | A problem I'm having is that every other power cycle is booting Android from nand rather than SD card. What might be causing that? |
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| 17:52.30 | PhantomsDad | "Open-Source ARM Mali Driver Update (Lima)" http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwODA |
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| 18:40.50 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r28d22b98bbb0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): move page to correct location |
| 18:41.30 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r4eee190ba3fd /allwinner_a10.mdwn: move page to correct location |
| 18:42.12 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r531159108d4b /allwinner_a10.mdwn: move page to correct location |
| 18:53.42 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r2e32b0595e61 /allwinner_a10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): split hacking page |
| 18:54.44 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r276cf096a92e /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/ubuntu.mdwn: split hacking page |
| 18:55.21 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rce5a46e87cdc /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000.mdwn: |
| 18:56.26 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r90514aff5de4 /: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.hands.com/rhombus |
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| 18:56.50 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r7046a0128da7 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/debian_kernel.mdwn: split hacking page |
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| 20:51.47 | mnemoc | PhantomsDad: great job! |
| 20:52.18 | PhantomsDad | Think so? Thanks. |
| 20:53.36 | mnemoc | yes, it's very very good |
| 20:53.48 | mnemoc | clean, complete and easy to read/follow |
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| 21:47.24 | PhantomsDad | \away |
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