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| 06:37.53 | cjheath | Hi folk. Interested in talking to anyone hacking the Mele A1000 to make it a better media player, or who can answer some technical questions about its usability as a media player.Anyone? |
| 06:38.28 | RITRedbeard | not me, I want one of those Z805 thingers |
| 06:38.33 | DonkeyHotei | lol |
| 06:38.59 | RITRedbeard | beats raspberry pi down in every respect |
| 06:39.01 | RITRedbeard | plus they exist |
| 06:39.54 | RITRedbeard | I wish someone in the mini PC community would start volume sourcing SoC that was powerful as our cell phones or last generation or so but was low power and profile |
| 06:40.05 | cjheath | I've done a commercial embedded product using GHumstix, so Im not a complete dillettante… but I do want a home media player that meets my expectations. |
| 06:40.13 | cjheath | *gumstix sorry |
| 06:40.25 | RITRedbeard | AMD E-350 |
| 06:40.53 | DonkeyHotei | RITRedbeard: z805? |
| 06:41.06 | RITRedbeard | the USB stick sized A1000 |
| 06:41.12 | cjheath | Nice little boxes, the gumstix. 1/4 the size of a credit card before you start needing RJ45s and the like |
| 06:42.12 | DonkeyHotei | oh |
| 06:42.15 | RITRedbeard | http://liliputing.com/2012/05/74-pc-on-a-stick-features-allwinner-a10-cpu-android-4-0.html |
| 06:42.19 | RITRedbeard | I want one. |
| 06:42.24 | DonkeyHotei | ok |
| 06:42.31 | cjheath | So is no-one willing to field a few newb-ish tech questiona about media players…? |
| 06:43.18 | cjheath | I want a box that will play everything VLC or mplayer etc will play |
| 06:43.22 | RITRedbeard | No idea about them, I'd just build a HTPC |
| 06:43.36 | RITRedbeard | which makes sense right? if you're making your HTPC essentially your NAS |
| 06:43.47 | DonkeyHotei | RITRedbeard: mele a1000 beats htpc |
| 06:43.52 | cjheath | which has a non-sucky remote (ten buttons max is my preference) |
| 06:43.55 | cjheath | ALreday have a NAS |
| 06:44.04 | cjheath | just want a WiFi box attached to teh TV |
| 06:44.14 | cjheath | that I can control with a remote and from my laptop |
| 06:44.33 | cjheath | that will play music via the amp, and video via the TV & amp |
| 06:44.47 | DonkeyHotei | the big problem with making the mele your htpc, however, is the lack of an opensource/free accelerated video driver |
| 06:45.07 | cjheath | right… though one is under dev't I believe? |
| 06:45.21 | RITRedbeard | get a google TV or a Roku |
| 06:45.28 | cjheath | supposedly... |
| 06:45.30 | RITRedbeard | yeah is there something for it? |
| 06:45.33 | cjheath | I bought an Apple TV |
| 06:45.42 | cjheath | not sure if I should unwrap it or just take it back |
| 06:45.44 | RITRedbeard | is there some computer that meets FSF's standards? |
| 06:45.52 | RITRedbeard | I want a mobile thin client |
| 06:45.52 | DonkeyHotei | there are also boxee and slingbox |
| 06:46.21 | RITRedbeard | I don't mind building it/assembling myself |
| 06:46.25 | RITRedbeard | I have the skeleton and everything |
| 06:46.30 | RITRedbeard | but raspberry pi is disappointing |
| 06:46.58 | RITRedbeard | the mele tv boxes are still on sale on ali correct? |
| 06:47.12 | RITRedbeard | what kinda power do they expect? |
| 06:47.24 | cjheath | Yes, MELE are on ali |
| 06:47.38 | cjheath | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/532332455-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html?PID=5741794&cv=10975781&cn=null&tp1=null&tracelog=null&src=ale&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aliexpress.com%2Fproduct-fm%2F532332455-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html&af=cj_5741794&vd=30 |
| 06:48.22 | RITRedbeard | 5V? 12V? |
| 06:49.18 | RITRedbeard | it's kinda pointless without a video driver |
| 06:49.41 | cjheath | Not if the existing video player app can be controlled by another app |
| 06:49.49 | cjheath | it plays wuite a few formts |
| 06:49.52 | cjheath | maybe enough |
| 06:50.06 | RITRedbeard | not interested in a media PC |
| 06:50.07 | cjheath | so it's only a case of… can it be controlled adequstely |
| 06:50.13 | RITRedbeard | if I wanted to do that I'd just get x86 |
| 06:50.35 | cjheath | I don't want a PC. I want a TV player... |
| 06:50.45 | cjheath | hence my initial question |
| 06:51.15 | cjheath | has plenty of computing hardware |
| 06:51.38 | DonkeyHotei | the existing binary-only video driver is for android, not gnu |
| 06:51.44 | RITRedbeard | :| |
| 06:52.12 | RITRedbeard | Wirth's Law, son. |
| 06:52.46 | cjheath | Rhombus or someone are working on a GNU driver I believe |
| 06:53.48 | DonkeyHotei | lima project |
| 06:55.24 | cjheath | RITRedbeard: Mele comes with a US-style 5V plug-pack That's purportedly good for 240V in also |
| 06:55.34 | cjheath | as I have here |
| 07:18.15 | RITRedbeard | how much amperage? |
| 07:18.23 | RITRedbeard | has to be 600mA or less man |
| 07:27.34 | RITRedbeard | cjheath, DonkeyHotei: isn't USB 3.0 going to be fast enough bandwidth to support external video cards? |
| 07:27.57 | RITRedbeard | once that issue is solved and you can bridge over mini pciexpress 1x drivers should no longer be an issue |
| 07:28.03 | DonkeyHotei | afaik, usb still binds all i/o to the cpu |
| 07:28.28 | RITRedbeard | well something like minipci express |
| 07:28.39 | RITRedbeard | it's how I get my Thinkpad T410 to run games at desktop speeds :) |
| 07:31.24 | RITRedbeard | does anyone here have one of the A10 MK802s? |
| 07:31.36 | RITRedbeard | or similar thumbstick sized device? |
| 07:37.03 | cjheath | Not me, not yet |
| 07:38.54 | RITRedbeard | this market is becoming frustrating |
| 07:39.12 | RITRedbeard | nobody is delivering anything people want, it's really niche-y |
| 07:39.34 | RITRedbeard | think AMD might shrink llano into a node for cheap? |
| 07:40.09 | RITRedbeard | doubtful |
| 07:44.31 | cjheath | What about the TI OMAP processors, like the one in teh Gumstix? |
| 07:45.06 | cjheath | We put a Rails app on one - it took 45 sec to start, but ran fine. |
| 07:45.11 | cjheath | Rails is slow starting in any case |
| 07:47.46 | RITRedbeard | Not sure, OMAP is good but closed in its own way I think, right? |
| 07:47.57 | RITRedbeard | TI doesn't give you drivers for the graphics DSP do they? |
| 07:50.03 | RITRedbeard | http://liliputing.com/2012/05/via-apc-a-49-android-computer-with-an-arm11-cpu.html |
| 07:50.11 | RITRedbeard | VIA enters the arena potentially? |
| 07:50.13 | RITRedbeard | FEEL THE HEAT PI |
| 07:52.34 | cjheath | Don't think the OMAP has a graphics DSP. The audio DSP instructions are built right into the instruction set though |
| 07:53.07 | cjheath | nothing about the OMAP says closed-source to me, we got everything we needed from the Gumstix fora |
| 07:53.13 | cjheath | or direct from the company |
| 07:53.22 | cjheath | one of the founders Skyped with us for an hour |
| 07:53.22 | RITRedbeard | I'd buy a bone right now |
| 07:53.40 | RITRedbeard | but there is no cheap/available LVDS or DVI pcbs |
| 07:53.50 | cjheath | (This was at http://www.bluechiip.com |
| 07:54.47 | A0Sheds | AMD APU's will fit |
| 07:54.53 | cjheath | Oh you're right, it does have a GPU |
| 07:54.59 | cjheath | the OMAP I mean |
| 07:55.03 | cjheath | we didnt need/use it |
| 07:55.13 | RITRedbeard | The problem with TI is they should compete with Raspberry Pi and VIA directly |
| 07:55.14 | RITRedbeard | they can do it |
| 07:55.25 | RITRedbeard | and work with AMD |
| 07:55.51 | cjheath | why? When they have this, which no-one else does: http://www.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12863&contentId=103102 |
| 07:55.57 | A0Sheds | VIA always missteps |
| 07:56.17 | RITRedbeard | because |
| 07:56.19 | A0Sheds | and the PI is something all together different than a COM card |
| 07:56.28 | RITRedbeard | the crappy part is the PowerVR |
| 07:56.44 | RITRedbeard | is there open source drivers for this powervr or mali or tegra? |
| 07:57.14 | A0Sheds | somebody is writing the open mali driver |
| 07:57.26 | RITRedbeard | that's fine I guess |
| 07:57.36 | A0Sheds | powerVR and tegra are closed |
| 07:57.42 | RITRedbeard | but for real hardware acceleration need access to minipci expresss bus |
| 07:58.01 | RITRedbeard | so you think this Allwinner A10 is good canidate for FSF definition of open source? |
| 07:58.07 | RITRedbeard | platform or whatever |
| 08:00.18 | A0Sheds | the ARM vendors with devices everyone wants are pretty picky about who they sell them to |
| 08:00.27 | RITRedbeard | I've noticed |
| 08:00.39 | RITRedbeard | I've looked at embedded stuff on RS' site and such and it's very nichey |
| 08:01.35 | RITRedbeard | and the only way to get what you'd want would be to do bulk ordering |
| 08:01.38 | RITRedbeard | like you said |
| 08:01.46 | A0Sheds | http://am.renesas.com/products/soc/assp/av/enc_dec/r_home/s1/index.jsp came up today as a possibility |
| 08:05.12 | A0Sheds | VIA could have used a A9 bit chose an arm11 |
| 08:05.38 | RITRedbeard | well SoC design flouting is nothing right? |
| 08:05.41 | RITRedbeard | it has to be used in a device |
| 08:05.48 | RITRedbeard | because chances of sourcing the chips are nil |
| 08:05.58 | A0Sheds | it's almost like they thought about the least desired part to use and then picked that |
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| 08:09.11 | RITRedbeard | I'm nearly ready to give up on low power ARM netbook/portable thin client |
| 08:09.26 | RITRedbeard | I'm ready to get the mobile innards of Llano and call it a day. |
| 08:10.21 | A0Sheds | 5W, why nnot |
| 08:10.54 | RITRedbeard | Because with ARM it's possible to build completely 5VDC machine |
| 08:10.55 | RITRedbeard | and very tiny |
| 08:11.12 | RITRedbeard | lightweight |
| 08:11.14 | RITRedbeard | appealing to me |
| 08:11.15 | A0Sheds | I have an Acer with a C60 a 8GB ddr3 |
| 08:11.29 | A0Sheds | >5 hrs on the battery |
| 08:11.33 | RITRedbeard | also then I'd have to interface it to old Thinkpad 10.4" chassis |
| 08:11.54 | RITRedbeard | but I already have a computer that does what the Llano would do |
| 08:11.59 | A0Sheds | it's possible with x86 as well |
| 08:12.18 | A0Sheds | 5VDC |
| 08:12.28 | RITRedbeard | With Geode? |
| 08:12.37 | RITRedbeard | I mean I want to run this thing from batteries in switchmode packs |
| 08:12.48 | RITRedbeard | and then I want to give schools these devices |
| 08:13.04 | A0Sheds | like an OLPC 1.75? |
| 08:13.07 | RITRedbeard | Everyone in #raspberrypi is a stuck up fool. |
| 08:13.16 | RITRedbeard | Like an OLPC but not insulting to the user's intelligence |
| 08:13.25 | RITRedbeard | I guess |
| 08:13.27 | RITRedbeard | and not ugly |
| 08:13.31 | RITRedbeard | and with ultranav |
| 08:13.35 | A0Sheds | bbl |
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| 08:17.48 | RITRedbeard | http://armdevices.net/2012/01/12/always-innovating-omap4-hdmi-dongle/ |
| 08:17.50 | RITRedbeard | need one of these |
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| 09:38.31 | hno | cjheath, what do you want to know= |
| 09:42.37 | hno | we have video & gpu drivers for armel Linux as well, not only Android. But it's not integrated with mplayer / vlc / gstreamer at all, or any meaningful player app available. |
| 09:47.35 | hno | there is work on getting XBMC running on A10, but no idea when or if it will be a reality. |
| 09:58.15 | hno | cjheath, that omap5 is a beast. Not sure it's in a realistic pricerange for anything interesting, and a bit overkill for a netbook (and certainly overkill for an HDMI dongle) |
| 09:59.09 | cjheath | Thanks for answering hno |
| 09:59.31 | cjheath | My initial question to the group was about the Mele A1000 |
| 09:59.42 | cjheath | because I'm looking for a media server |
| 10:00.19 | cjheath | and being unhappy with the feature list of existing packaged products I've seen, hoped to find one that allowed a skilled programmer, withouyt too much effort, to set up what I want |
| 10:00.36 | cjheath | or preferably, to just do it out of the box |
| 10:01.13 | cjheath | It doesn't have to be particularly cheap, or be a Mele… but |
| 10:01.43 | cjheath | I want something with a remote control that doesnt have 50 squillion buttons on it - rather something that you can use in the drak |
| 10:01.45 | cjheath | dark |
| 10:02.27 | cjheath | that allows me to play cna change music from my laptop while working (like an Apple TV can) |
| 10:02.59 | cjheath | but that also plays almost every video file I'm likely to come across - which the Apple TV definitely *doesn't* |
| 10:03.09 | cjheath | An I asking too much? |
| 10:04.30 | cjheath | Oh yeah, it needs WiFi to SMB, obviously. |
| 10:05.00 | cjheath | and 2-ch analog audio out |
| 10:06.40 | cjheath | hno: By the way, who is "we"? Sorry for my ignorance, I'm new here |
| 10:07.32 | hno | we as in you and me. |
| 10:07.54 | cjheath | Oh, ok |
| 10:08.07 | cjheath | I thought you were speaking on behalf of some dev group or company :) |
| 10:08.26 | cjheath | Any thoughts on what I'm asking about? |
| 10:09.01 | cjheath | (BTW, I have used Gumstix (OMAP3 IIRC) in a really tech app, but that's not what I'm asking about now |
| 10:10.36 | hno | Pretty much any device with the right outputs have potential to become what you ask for, but none is it out of the box I think. |
| 10:12.33 | hno | cjheath, distinction in groups or companies is meaningless in an open project. |
| 10:13.10 | cjheath | Anyone familiar with the Noontec media players? They seem to have a decent feature set, but I've nevefr seen one operating (so can't say if the interface is sucky) |
| 10:18.57 | hno | don't care much about original firmware of a device. Having access to working Linux drivers is what matters. |
| 10:25.14 | hno | Anyone seen http://armadillo.atmark-techno.com/search-products/all |
| 10:30.25 | mnemoc | hno: that's the soc A0Sheds talks abut? |
| 10:35.45 | steev | hno: yeah, coming up with working Linux drivers is always the rub |
| 10:36.06 | steev | specially wrt vpu/ipus |
| 10:36.55 | mnemoc | zenitraM: top-posting a reply about netiequette? come one :< |
| 10:36.57 | mnemoc | on* |
| 10:37.12 | steev | giggles |
| 10:37.41 | zenitraM | mnemoc: wtf did i top-post? |
| 10:37.44 | zenitraM | i just hit reply on gmail |
| 10:38.05 | zenitraM | and for me it shows on the same thread |
| 10:38.19 | mnemoc | zenitraM: see for yourself http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.netbook.arm/2781 |
| 10:38.49 | mnemoc | it's in the thread, sure. but top-posted :) |
| 10:39.01 | zenitraM | so how did it get there? |
| 10:39.10 | zenitraM | mm let's see |
| 10:39.23 | steev | gmail defaults to top posting when you reply to email |
| 10:39.49 | mnemoc | but you can move the cursor down, trim, and respond below :p |
| 10:40.28 | mnemoc | unfortunatelly that's imposible using their phone app |
| 10:41.25 | zenitraM | oh well, TIL what top-posting really is. |
| 10:41.34 | zenitraM | i thought it meant breaking the thread |
| 10:42.11 | zenitraM | puts its donkey hat and goes to the corner of the class to read about netiquette |
| 10:42.33 | mnemoc | R: No |
| 10:42.34 | mnemoc | Q: should I top-post |
| 10:42.46 | mnemoc | zenitraM: :) |
| 10:46.10 | zenitraM | this is what happens when you're born 10 years after usenet. |
| 10:46.47 | mnemoc | not really |
| 10:47.14 | mnemoc | the top/middle/bottom posting is also important in forums |
| 10:48.05 | mnemoc | it's just about making possible to read the discussions in natural order |
| 10:48.56 | cjheath | I think it's a mistake to leav much at all of the previous post - just enough to show which bit you're responding to (to someone who's read the previous) |
| 10:49.07 | cjheath | I trim ruthlessly |
| 10:49.36 | mnemoc | as long as you leave something... |
| 10:51.12 | mnemoc | didn't know the term "Interleaved style", but that's what I do |
| 10:51.22 | mnemoc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style |
| 10:51.40 | zenitraM | in forums you just quote directly, or reply as-is (which leaves no quote at all) |
| 10:52.02 | zenitraM | and yes, when you quote you bottom-post |
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| 11:14.30 | nikk | thought top posting on reply is a right way ;-) |
| 11:15.03 | nikk | in case of e-mail |
| 11:15.09 | mnemoc | nikk: http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/top-post.html |
| 11:16.12 | mnemoc | unfortunatelly common webmail silenty encourage people to top-post and leave a loooong and backward history on the tail |
| 11:16.26 | mnemoc | very annoying for long discussions |
| 11:20.35 | nikk | in long discussions, it always divided by many many discussed parts, and each have opposite order, but in the beginning, it'a always good to say Hi ;-) |
| 11:21.20 | mnemoc | that's why interleaved posting is dah best! |
| 11:21.48 | nikk | true ) |
| 11:22.01 | mnemoc | greeting, partial quoting, response, partial quoting response, partial quoting, response, signature |
| 11:22.10 | mnemoc | when of on the partials is done, trim it out |
| 11:22.56 | nikk | not all people have logic mind ))) |
| 11:23.31 | mnemoc | justin bieber fans don't use mailing lists |
| 11:24.17 | nikk | I heard that name, but who's it? ) |
| 11:28.54 | mnemoc | a pop singer kid |
| 11:29.35 | mnemoc | I only mean that people using mailing lists is expected to have certain level of logic and technical knowledge |
| 11:30.20 | nikk | mnemoc, i tried to debug wakelocks yesterday. without last comits to 3.0.31, my usb didn't sleep at all. also, I enabled CONFIG_SUSPEND_TIME=y. Strange, but i still have no entry under /sys/kernel/debug/suspend_time. Good part now on new CM9 build with new reconfigured options my hub sleeps without blinking, but I don't know what was the issue. |
| 11:30.39 | RITRedbeard | hmmm |
| 11:30.47 | RITRedbeard | can anyone find datasheets for Micron's MT7DPVG2F-A1S ? |
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| 11:32.40 | mnemoc | nikk: so it works in the lichee-3.0.8-sun4i branch but doesn't in allwinner-3.0-android-v2 (getting tired of that name) with the same config? |
| 11:33.18 | mnemoc | nikk: even after reverting all changes to standby.bin creation? |
| 11:40.40 | nikk | mnemoc yes, but. I saw in log some event pop it from sleep, so it was probably not a kernel but some "process" controlling it (bluetooth daemon perharps) |
| 11:41.53 | mnemoc | nikk: I'll push one branch for you, 1m |
| 11:43.57 | mnemoc | nikk: please `git fetch` and switch to temp/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/cleanup |
| 11:44.38 | mnemoc | nikk: the rest to aa2bb874e17db9674994565ac60587dfb7ecc626 |
| 11:44.44 | mnemoc | s/rest/reset/ |
| 11:45.42 | nikk | don't i loose my modules/mali additions? =) now i have perfectly working one ;-) |
| 11:45.49 | mnemoc | nikk: that will give you a lichee-3.0.8-sun4i rebased upon kernel-common-3.0 |
| 11:46.10 | mnemoc | nikk: that's why this is done on a different branch |
| 11:46.21 | mnemoc | you can cherry-pick your mali fixes there |
| 11:46.37 | nikk | i'm still not familiar with git and reset it all the times ))) |
| 11:46.38 | mnemoc | but remove all the changes we have made |
| 11:47.03 | mnemoc | nikk: just be sure to commit your changes first |
| 11:47.37 | mnemoc | I would like to know if the problem is in something we did or something upstream did |
| 11:48.35 | nikk | problem is i'm now on 3.0.31 (v2) and can't reproduce yesterday situation... ok, i'll try |
| 11:48.52 | mnemoc | eh? you mean today it works? |
| 11:48.57 | nikk | yup |
| 11:49.03 | mnemoc | wth |
| 11:49.29 | nikk | but different kernel config. I started with 3.0.8 for my device and added some options again |
| 11:50.16 | nikk | probably the same, but... it works. i don't removed anything, just added modules for peripheral devices |
| 11:50.44 | nikk | another case is it's new CM9 build also |
| 11:51.13 | mnemoc | so v2 is declared "not guilty"... |
| 11:51.25 | nikk | yes |
| 11:51.48 | nikk | it works fine now. I'm almost happy ))) |
| 11:51.57 | mnemoc | :) |
| 11:53.03 | mnemoc | then I'll remove the branch I push, to avoid confusions |
| 11:54.17 | nikk | oh. no, another issue i have )))) on 2.6.36 my atheros bluetooth dongle was working in android. now it won't work. another one CSR worked too, and now it still have no problems. Atheros uses firmware and loads it changing IDs, and I have sun4i usb urb errors and it fails somehow ))) |
| 11:55.27 | mnemoc | v2 is not based on the 2.6.36 release, v1 was... |
| 11:55.29 | nikk | so it's all about sun4i usb subsistem, irqs and resouces handling. it's nightmate on OTG with ext HUB ;-) |
| 11:56.22 | nikk | I'm not tested mush 3.0.8, swithched to 3.0.31 almost from beginning, so can't comment that path |
| 11:56.56 | mnemoc | v1 and v2 use the same android-3.0 base |
| 11:57.03 | nikk | but, Atheros bluetooth doesn't work even without a hub, as a single device attached to port |
| 11:57.04 | mnemoc | it's the allwinner's code that differs |
| 11:57.19 | mnemoc | both are at 3.0.31 |
| 11:57.47 | mnemoc | so you can diff them |
| 11:58.34 | nikk | it light up, butproblem is, both devices (CSR and Atheros) uses the same driver (btusb.ko) |
| 11:59.48 | nikk | i mean one driver handle both, but first works and second doesn't. something happened on usb during usb id switching, in sun4i usb driver |
| 12:00.23 | nikk | it have debugging enabled by default, but it doesn't helps much |
| 12:00.45 | mnemoc | try diffing the relevant parts of v1 and v2 |
| 12:01.40 | mnemoc | (and please file a ticket) |
| 12:02.22 | nikk | mnemoc heh, it costs few bucks, i better drop it to the window and will use csr one ;-) it always works, even on old windows without a driver ;-) |
| 12:02.57 | mnemoc | ok :) |
| 12:05.23 | nikk | i bought secod with different chipset trying to find what drives my system mad. very strange: now, on 3.0.31, with MTK GPS (cdc_acm), CSR BT, they work together, but if I plug also PCM2704 DAC, they don't. Maybe, number of devices is the issue. One irq handle that all, with bulk? |
| 12:09.23 | mnemoc | yes, it's very easy to saturate |
| 12:09.35 | nikk | my hope is other HOST on A10. As I find testpoints, if it's USB and if i will enable it in script.bin properly, my troubles will disappear ;-) |
| 12:10.47 | nikk | I have also omap3630 with old 2.6.36 kernel, and there are on problems at all on USB bus ;-) |
| 12:10.54 | nikk | no |
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| 14:15.26 | mnemoc | moo cow really makes me cry :( |
| 14:17.00 | mnemoc | what's so hard in hitting [reply] over the right mail instead of picking one random and pasting it the "context" |
| 14:36.19 | nikk | mnemoc did you deleted temp branch? can you leave it for a while for test? |
| 14:37.20 | mnemoc | 1m |
| 14:37.25 | nikk | one guy have problems with wakeup after sleep. Propably he need to implement it to back order |
| 14:37.58 | mnemoc | temp/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/cleanup re-pushed |
| 14:38.35 | nikk | it's revert in standby, yes? can it be applied in back order from 3.0.8? |
| 14:39.06 | nikk | or it doesn't have new code at all |
| 14:39.27 | mnemoc | nikk: no no... it's the same, but in a cleaner way than the original import |
| 14:39.47 | mnemoc | but you can "reset" it to the point before I started ruining it |
| 14:39.48 | nikk | ok, i need that for test |
| 14:39.51 | nikk | thx |
| 14:40.54 | mnemoc | git reset --hard 195a72cf883cb203b7808472b2d5e10f688cd1ac will give you Qware's release upong the lasted android-3.0 (3.0.31) |
| 14:41.29 | mnemoc | damn, I can't type :< |
| 14:41.46 | mnemoc | git reset --hard 195a72cf883cb203b7808472b2d5e10f688cd1ac will give you Qware's release upon the latest android-3.0 (3.0.31) |
| 14:42.25 | mnemoc | after that you can cherry-pick chosen fixes from the temp/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/cleanup branch |
| 14:42.38 | mnemoc | removing -Werror stuff for example |
| 14:43.19 | mnemoc | I made this temporal "cleaned" branch for the 3.3 port |
| 14:44.15 | nikk | super |
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| 15:06.16 | PhantomsDad | mnemoc: Thanks for your help yesterday. :) |
| 15:07.05 | mnemoc | PhantomsDad: eh? what? when? |
| 15:07.10 | _hp__ | wee my usb stick ALLwinner is in Taiwan.. hope they deliver it monday!! |
| 15:07.32 | mnemoc | doesn't understand the hype for that stick |
| 15:07.53 | PhantomsDad | thanks mnemoc for his time. |
| 15:08.31 | mnemoc | PhantomsDad: I don't remember it, but... my pleasure ;-) |
| 15:08.50 | _hp__ | mnemoc: first of all the formfactor |
| 15:09.02 | _hp__ | mnemoc: its a nice present for my father-in-law |
| 15:09.28 | mnemoc | fails to see the point of that "form-factor" |
| 15:09.54 | mnemoc | I suppose that's related to not having a TV |
| 15:11.00 | _hp__ | mnemoc: i want to use it on a moneitor |
| 15:11.19 | _hp__ | mnemoc: and my brother in law has this idea he wants to use the stick for |
| 15:11.28 | zenitraM | if it has usb host i can see it as an awesome wireless printer server |
| 15:11.32 | zenitraM | but, without android that is |
| 15:12.10 | mnemoc | _hp__: i see |
| 15:13.19 | _hp__ | zenitraM: you want windows on it? |
| 15:13.35 | mnemoc | ROTFL |
| 15:13.50 | zenitraM | _hp__: wat |
| 15:14.16 | _hp__ | print server software last time i checked wasn't really mature yet on Linux |
| 15:14.45 | mnemoc | .oO(wtf?)o |
| 15:14.53 | zenitraM | the two shared printers i have on the living room using CUPS don't think the same |
| 15:15.34 | DonkeyHotei | maybe he last checked more than 10 years ago |
| 15:16.21 | zenitraM | they even get detected automatically using avahi |
| 15:17.10 | _hp__ | i think last time ago .. was along time ago yeah DonkeyHotei :) |
| 15:30.42 | rm | yay, my mk802 has been shipped |
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| 15:35.54 | Quarx | mnemoc: i have a problem with kernel for A10. can't wakeup after sleep... i got only backlight + blackscreen. Dmesg: http://epsy.ath.cx:888/paste/?489 |
| 15:36.45 | Quarx | allwinner-v3.0-android-v2 branch |
| 15:36.58 | mnemoc | nikk: ----^ same problem you have? |
| 15:37.24 | nikk | mnemoc that's the guy i told you about ;-) |
| 15:38.28 | mnemoc | nikk: were you able to test upon the temp branch? |
| 15:39.30 | _hp__ | rm hi, same here .. its already in taiwan |
| 15:39.50 | rm | I can't load http://intmail.183.com.cn/ |
| 15:40.05 | rm | so no idea where it actually is |
| 15:40.08 | _hp__ | mnemoc: i am just wondering about this.. do you boot with a keyboard connected to the mele.. via usb or can you also boot ubuntu without a keyboard? |
| 15:40.15 | nikk | mnemoc not yet, was busy at home |
| 15:42.22 | mnemoc | Quarx: I haven't really looked at that part of the code, it's VERY ugly, but there has been no really-related change in the three |
| 15:42.59 | _hp__ | rm it doesn't load here either.. |
| 15:43.02 | _hp__ | rm are you in the US? |
| 15:43.09 | mnemoc | Quarx: what I asked nikk to try was to check the temp/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/cleanup branch and reset to 195a72cf883cb203b7808472b2d5e10f688cd1ac |
| 15:43.37 | Quarx | mnemoc: ok |
| 15:44.13 | mnemoc | Quarx: that is the qware release rebased upon android-3.0 (3.0.31), same as v2, but without any change from the community |
| 15:45.10 | mnemoc | and check if the same .config works there |
| 15:45.25 | mnemoc | to try to narrow the problem |
| 15:48.01 | mnemoc | Quarx: do you have a serial console? anything related shown there? |
| 15:58.36 | Quarx | mnemoc: no, only usb... now i will try temp/allwinner-v3.0-android-v2/cleanup + reset.. the same problem have in leaked Lichee 3.0.8 kernel source |
| 15:59.40 | mnemoc | Quarx: eh? wait... so the same happens with the Qware sources as-released? |
| 15:59.53 | mnemoc | nikk told me it worked fine... |
| 16:00.20 | Quarx | mnemoc: yep, only on Aurora.. leaked Lichee 3.0.8 kernel source + crane config |
| 16:02.01 | mnemoc | if we don't have a "good" version to narrow the problem to a software change it will be pretty difficult to find the cause without proper debugging (serial console, and maybe even jtag) |
| 16:02.51 | Quarx | mnemoc: on first init display works fine |
| 16:04.57 | Quarx | after sleep, can't wake up the display |
| 16:10.29 | mnemoc | Quarx: but the system runs? (display-less) |
| 16:12.21 | Quarx | mnemoc: yes |
| 16:12.38 | Quarx | logcat reported that screen ison |
| 16:14.51 | mnemoc | so `adb shell` works fine? ... using mali or fb for the display? |
| 16:15.42 | mnemoc | at the moment I have no idea what could it be |
| 16:16.09 | Quarx | adb shell works fine |
| 16:16.14 | Quarx | mali for display |
| 16:16.44 | mnemoc | fb uses the ugly^3 disp driver, but mali... |
| 16:17.02 | Quarx | D/SurfaceFlinger(369): Screen about to return, flinger = 0xf918 |
| 16:17.26 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Won master * rd68d8f5d6a0e /allwinner_a10/orders/.mdwn: |
| 16:18.22 | mnemoc | I'm not familiar with android's internals |
| 16:19.38 | nikk | yes > dev/fb? |
| 16:20.39 | mnemoc | if standby would have troubles nothing would come up... so that's discarded |
| 16:20.44 | nikk | must got pink on display in case framebuffer works |
| 16:21.56 | nikk | yup looks like graphics grivers errors (some kind). my idea is pmu enabled in mali ) |
| 16:22.08 | nikk | nothing more in the head ) |
| 16:23.57 | nikk | mnemoc i saw tat^ graphics bug few times on old kernel, but my new 3.0.31 now sleep as a baby (with hub) and wake up when i need ;-) |
| 16:28.56 | rm | _hp__, in Russia |
| 16:31.00 | mnemoc | i'm only getting started with this arm kernel world, and not yet familiar with that part with the a10's video code... |
| 16:31.29 | mnemoc | if it would be bound to a software change, I know how to debug it |
| 16:31.40 | mnemoc | but it's not the case :( |
| 17:00.25 | Quarx | mnemoc: in sotck kernel config " CONFIG_LYCHEE_LCD_DEFAULT=y " |
| 17:00.47 | Quarx | but no sources for it |
| 17:00.52 | Quarx | what is it? |
| 17:02.24 | mnemoc | maybe an old feature in the closed tree |
| 17:03.10 | Quarx | it is only one diff about lcd.. |
| 17:04.42 | Quarx | and CONFIG_EARLYSUSPEND_DELAY=y |
| 17:05.43 | Quarx | i think it is what i need |
| 17:05.45 | Quarx | but.. |
| 17:09.27 | mnemoc | that one doesn't exist either... |
| 17:09.42 | mnemoc | i think it was from the android 2.3 patch |
| 17:10.17 | Quarx | i found CONFIG_EARLYSUSPEND_DELAY in 2.3 |
| 17:15.52 | Quarx | CONFIG_EARLYSUSPEND_DELAY - not help.. |
| 17:37.12 | mnemoc | Quarx: maybe CONFIG_HAS_EARLYSUSPEND ? |
| 17:38.41 | mnemoc | Quarx: the function bool exists, but ONLY sunxi code uses it.... |
| 17:38.58 | Quarx | i manually added this code in kernel without #ifdef |
| 17:39.23 | Quarx | no differences in work |
| 17:40.05 | mnemoc | I seriusly distrust any kernel code that does thing differently than everyone else |
| 17:40.12 | mnemoc | and allwinner's have a lot of that |
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| 17:52.05 | Quarx | mnemoc: 2.3.6 display driver very different than 3.0.8 (kernel) |
| 17:52.30 | Quarx | 2.3.6 kernel doesn't have this problem |
| 17:53.02 | mnemoc | o_O |
| 17:53.06 | mnemoc | ah... |
| 17:53.14 | mnemoc | you are mixing android version and linux version |
| 17:53.41 | Quarx | no |
| 17:53.47 | Quarx | 2.6.36 * |
| 17:53.49 | Quarx | :) |
| 17:53.53 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:55.18 | mnemoc | that is one of the reasons why I decided to start over (with a -v2 branch) instead of trying to actually merge the code released by Qware with what we had from the official 2.6.36 repo |
| 17:55.40 | mnemoc | too different and too repulsive to try to digest it |
| 17:56.11 | mnemoc | so I accepted the 3.0.8 code as blessed by the gods and (re)started from there |
| 17:56.41 | mnemoc | but it seems the gods don't like your tablet :< |
| 17:57.55 | Quarx | yep =\ onl y Aurora... elf, advanced etc works fine |
| 17:58.21 | Quarx | maybe problem in nanda? |
| 18:00.18 | zenitraM | Quarx: are you on android 2.3 or 4.0? |
| 18:00.26 | Quarx | 4.0.4 |
| 18:02.30 | Quarx | mnemoc: touchscreen works, if i touch over black screen.. |
| 18:02.51 | mnemoc | o_o |
| 18:03.27 | mnemoc | so it's only the render? |
| 18:04.50 | mnemoc | renderer* |
| 18:05.25 | Quarx | after wakeup, i got backlight + black screen.. but touch works.. i see messages in logcat about it.. renderer? mali? |
| 18:06.24 | mnemoc | no no... ignore my comment, the touchscreen driver doesn't care about the graphic memory at all |
| 18:08.22 | Quarx | and screen not black, is hardly visible stripes |
| 18:09.05 | mnemoc | can you run android from fb? |
| 18:09.19 | mnemoc | to see if it's mali related |
| 18:14.17 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Garth master * r682791e39e4b /allwinner_a10/orders/KESI-PREORDER.mdwn: |
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| 18:43.00 | Quarx | mnemoc: android can't boot.. many crashes in java.. i see only bootanimation.. how i can switch to sleep device from adb? |
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| 18:44.40 | mnemoc | Quarx: never tried, what /sys/power/state says? |
| 18:44.56 | Quarx | standby mem |
| 18:45.11 | mnemoc | echo standby > /sys/power/state |
| 18:45.33 | mnemoc | echo -n standby > /sys/power/state |
| 18:46.34 | Quarx | this command is reboot device |
| 18:51.56 | mnemoc | Quarx: and mem? |
| 18:52.28 | mnemoc | Quarx: did the one with -n also rebooted it? |
| 18:53.14 | Quarx | necho -n standby > /sys/power/state |
| 18:53.17 | Quarx | works |
| 18:53.31 | Quarx | but cant wakeup too |
| 18:54.59 | Quarx | mnemoc: screen looks like, when i set bad resolution in sys_config.. |
| 18:55.55 | mnemoc | uh |
| 18:56.33 | Quarx | black screen +.. i don't know how to say in in english ( |
| 18:58.03 | Quarx | but problem not in mali... |
| 19:02.14 | Quarx | looks like after sleep.. driver return wrong resolution or other parameter |
| 19:05.52 | mnemoc | can you file a bug on github to start collecting data? |
| 19:12.17 | mnemoc | hno: does it make sense to have .atag_offset set to zero in sun3i? |
| 19:12.53 | mnemoc | hno: .boot_params = (unsigned long)(0x80000000), ... no offset :< |
| 19:17.33 | Turl | hey all :) |
| 19:17.45 | mnemoc | wb super Turl |
| 19:19.37 | Turl | hm? :P |
| 19:19.52 | mnemoc | your '@' |
| 19:21.43 | Turl | oh :) |
| 19:21.51 | Turl | my wifi drops in here meh :( |
| 19:22.29 | Turl | mnemoc: did you see issue #26? I got the touchscreen working with the old module on the new kernel |
| 19:22.48 | mnemoc | yes, my phone dinged |
| 19:23.11 | mnemoc | but not sure if you want me to merge that hack... |
| 19:23.34 | Turl | yeah, don't |
| 19:23.41 | mnemoc | good |
| 19:23.48 | Turl | you can merge the mali stuff though :) |
| 19:24.25 | Quarx | mnemoc: ok.. i will |
| 19:25.10 | Quarx | Turl: i hate my display :D |
| 19:25.57 | mnemoc | a8e8589499236ac2b0d5456bf2c9b275eee5235f? is it a good version? works for linux people? what should I do with the rest of the mali stuff? |
| 19:26.19 | mnemoc | Turl: do we have a ticket for mali support in 3.0-v2? |
| 19:26.32 | Turl | Quarx: :P |
| 19:26.52 | Turl | mnemoc: I don't think we have a ticket |
| 19:27.07 | mnemoc | Turl: then make it ;-) |
| 19:27.41 | Turl | and yeah, that one commit |
| 19:27.56 | Turl | I've been using it with matching userspace libs, worked fine |
| 19:28.04 | mnemoc | explain it in the ticket please |
| 19:31.24 | mnemoc | Turl: https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/issues/19 |
| 19:31.27 | mnemoc | Turl: we had one |
| 19:31.31 | mnemoc | and even a branch... |
| 19:32.30 | mnemoc | zenitraM: around? have a minute to discuss with Turl about his updated mali? |
| 19:32.33 | mnemoc | :) |
| 19:33.36 | Turl | mnemoc: issue 30 filled |
| 19:33.47 | Turl | hm, I read this too late I guess |
| 19:33.57 | Turl | well, that issue is for X11 more specifically |
| 19:35.21 | mnemoc | whatever we do with mali it needs to work for both, x11 and android |
| 19:36.07 | mnemoc | it doesn't make much sense (from a kernel perspective) to deal with this separated |
| 19:36.42 | mnemoc | also need to decide what to do with the update that is already in that branch |
| 19:37.55 | Turl | mnemoc: the contents are different |
| 19:37.56 | Turl | https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/commit/f8eb0c7002388e32b83cc2c74a0446643d8828cc |
| 19:39.22 | mnemoc | DX910-SW-99002-r2p4-02rel1 vs DX910-SW-99002-r2p4-02rel0 |
| 19:39.31 | mnemoc | who wins? |
| 19:39.47 | mnemoc | it's not something I can decide... |
| 19:40.17 | Turl | mnemoc: my point is, I updated the mali modules, they didn't |
| 19:40.24 | Turl | they're adding mali drm support or something else |
| 19:40.37 | Turl | it's not better or worse, it's different :) |
| 19:41.07 | mnemoc | ok, but importing both I can eventually break it even more |
| 19:41.10 | Turl | of course if I can get 02rel1 working that'd be great |
| 19:41.36 | Turl | is there 02rel1 libs floating around? |
| 19:41.42 | Turl | are there* |
| 19:42.26 | mnemoc | no clue :( |
| 19:43.03 | mnemoc | Turl: but I would really like to move this stuff out of modules/mali and get a single version :) |
| 19:43.14 | mnemoc | adding yet another version is not nice |
| 19:43.52 | Turl | indeed, I'd rather kill 'em all and use the latest and greatest only |
| 19:44.29 | mnemoc | well.... maybe not the latest and greatest, but the latest that work for both worlds :) |
| 19:45.50 | Turl | mnemoc: who's working on X11? |
| 19:46.25 | mnemoc | zenitraM made the ticket |
| 19:46.38 | mnemoc | someone else made the patch |
| 20:07.12 | MaDMaLKaV | next week some guys I know will be in Asia and they will try to put some preasure on Mele to try to get proper licensed mali hardfloat binaries, also some info on the licensing of the vpu code and the inproper support of hdmi movie refresh rates on the kernel |
| 20:07.29 | MaDMaLKaV | let's see if seeing a company they work with claiming that stuff helps |
| 20:08.02 | mnemoc | :) |
| 20:10.08 | MaDMaLKaV | with my coding skills, that is all I can get, convincing people to try to convince other people |
| 20:11.10 | mnemoc | there are several ways to help the cause :) |
| 21:00.54 | MaDMaLKaV | anyone knows if the android player on the mele can bitstream dolby formats? |
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| 21:36.33 | ZaEarl | nice intro to the lima project status: http://blip.tv/opensuse/linuxtag2012-lima-liberating-arm-s-mali-gpu-6166702 |
| 21:41.25 | zenitraM | mnemoc, Turl: i'm back |
| 21:41.42 | zenitraM | the status for X11 is unknown as the sources need to be compiled against the DDK which we don't have |
| 21:42.03 | zenitraM | so i don't know what version is the correct one or not as i'm unable to test |
| 21:42.07 | mnemoc | zenitraM: Turl is using https://github.com/allwinner-dev-team/linux-allwinner/commit/a8e8589499236ac2b0d5456bf2c9b275eee5235f with the mali libraries for android |
| 21:42.13 | zenitraM | hipboi had the ddk and was trying |
| 21:42.19 | zenitraM | mmm let's see |
| 21:42.45 | zenitraM | and it works? |
| 21:43.12 | mnemoc | yes |
| 21:44.30 | mnemoc | he has a running android 4 system on his tablet built from sources, with touchscreen and mali |
| 21:44.53 | mnemoc | using v2 as kernel and Quarx's android tree |
| 22:14.59 | PhantomsDad | Where can I find the best copy of .fex file for my mele A2000? One that works with ethernet, etc. |
| 22:15.59 | mnemoc | PhantomsDad: the stock script.bin works fine for me |
| 22:16.40 | PhantomsDad | Where would I find a copy of that file? |
| 22:17.22 | mnemoc | in the nanda partition |
| 22:17.40 | PhantomsDad | Are there instructions somewhere on how to extract it from nand? |
| 22:18.17 | mnemoc | normally you use adb shell, mount it (it's vfat) and copy the file |
| 22:18.46 | mnemoc | PhantomsDad: https://github.com/amery/sunxi-bin-archive/tree/master/mele-a1000/stock-nanda is a copy of mine |
| 22:18.58 | PhantomsDad | super! thanks |
| 22:19.27 | mnemoc | yw |
| 22:20.02 | PhantomsDad | Think it is much different for A2000? |
| 22:20.23 | mnemoc | board-wise both devices are identical |
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| 22:31.46 | PhantomsDad | worked great. thanks! |
| 22:31.56 | mnemoc | yw :) |
| 22:33.35 | sepp | MaDMaLKaV: the decoder library/hw has no support for at least AC3 |
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