| 00:50.52 | *** part/#arm-netbook Xlab (~Adium@85.26.155.222) |
| 01:25.02 | *** join/#arm-netbook mpthompson (~IceChat77@c-50-131-39-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 03:00.12 | *** join/#arm-netbook flesh1911 (~flesh1911@31.41.240.22) |
| 03:07.19 | *** join/#arm-netbook mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 03:07.32 | *** join/#arm-netbook mike_ (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 03:58.40 | A1Sheds | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/04/16/sunlike-umpc-1021-85-usd-allwinner-a10-based-10-2-android-4-0-netbook/ |
| 03:59.00 | A1Sheds | who developed the software for ^^ |
| 03:59.37 | A1Sheds | http://hksunlike.com/ |
| 04:00.16 | A1Sheds | http://hksunlike.com/ArticleShow.asp?ArticleID=654 |
| 06:49.46 | *** join/#arm-netbook Eigen (~Eigen@S0106b8c75dc9a198.vn.shawcable.net) |
| 07:01.56 | mnemoc | A1Sheds: most likely allwinner itself |
| 07:02.41 | mnemoc | there is no much "new software" to develop for it... |
| 07:35.28 | Eigen | is there any at all? |
| 07:44.32 | mnemoc | wonders who ordered the removal of tools.tar.gz from the file sharing sites |
| 07:44.56 | mnemoc | and /me also wonders if that it related to the disappearance of hipboi |
| 07:45.07 | Eigen | hipboi? |
| 07:45.12 | Eigen | is that a person? |
| 07:45.22 | mnemoc | the nick of Tom Cubie |
| 07:47.51 | mnemoc | I even had to extend myself the processing time for a mele a2000 last week I bought from here and haven't got any message from him |
| 07:48.09 | mnemoc | gotten* |
| 07:48.18 | mnemoc | s/here/him/ |
| 07:53.16 | Eigen | oh |
| 07:53.23 | Eigen | I heard of that guy |
| 07:53.33 | Eigen | Is he like a major contributor to the project? |
| 07:53.48 | mnemoc | he is/was our.. liaison and open source insider advocate in allwinner |
| 07:54.06 | Eigen | oh |
| 07:54.07 | Eigen | shits |
| 07:54.09 | Eigen | that sucks |
| 07:55.01 | mnemoc | he managed the release of 2.6.36 and uboot source code and offered 3.0.8 and a10 specs for the end of april |
| 07:55.33 | mnemoc | but probably I've read too much conspiracy-theory junk |
| 07:56.20 | Eigen | humans love to create conspiracy theories |
| 07:56.23 | Eigen | about anything |
| 07:56.36 | Eigen | As humans read patters when they aren't there |
| 07:56.59 | mnemoc | hopefully the case :) |
| 07:57.21 | Eigen | maybe he's sold it to the russians |
| 07:57.22 | Eigen | lol |
| 08:01.40 | Eigen | mnemoc: was only last week he stopped? |
| 08:02.37 | mnemoc | over a month ago |
| 08:02.41 | Eigen | oh |
| 08:02.45 | Eigen | hes gone then |
| 08:02.59 | Eigen | cus |
| 08:02.59 | mnemoc | BUT he was getting married too |
| 08:03.04 | Eigen | well this guy looks connected |
| 08:03.06 | Eigen | online |
| 08:03.08 | Eigen | and idk |
| 08:03.15 | Eigen | Even if you get married |
| 08:03.21 | Eigen | you don't drop everything for a month |
| 08:03.29 | Eigen | smart phones do exst |
| 08:05.03 | mnemoc | that's why I'm inclined to believe his employer forbad (does that word exist?) to continue interacting with us |
| 08:05.10 | Eigen | ah |
| 08:05.15 | Eigen | true |
| 08:05.39 | Eigen | I heard a lot of chinese employers have strict public relations policies |
| 08:05.52 | Eigen | Is he hired by the company that makes the a10? |
| 08:06.27 | mnemoc | the a10 SoC, yes |
| 08:06.35 | Eigen | why not just hack this http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3480795 |
| 08:06.36 | mnemoc | he is a C programmer there |
| 08:07.51 | Eigen | i bet tom cubie was just a PR cover for the company |
| 08:08.09 | Eigen | like why would a C programmer sell his companies stuff on ebay under his name |
| 08:08.18 | Eigen | *alibaba |
| 08:08.26 | mnemoc | PR covers don't write uboot code on github |
| 08:08.38 | mnemoc | neither come and discuss technical details on irc |
| 08:08.38 | Eigen | companies can |
| 08:09.17 | mnemoc | I love conspiracy theories, but THAT one is a bit too far for me ;-) |
| 08:09.25 | Eigen | well |
| 08:09.33 | Eigen | it has happened |
| 08:09.38 | Eigen | not saying its the case |
| 08:13.01 | Eigen | does rhombus have any other supplies? |
| 08:13.28 | Eigen | *suppliers/chips in the pipeline |
| 08:13.39 | mnemoc | there are EOMA68 cards designed for different SoCs, yes |
| 08:13.59 | mnemoc | that's one of the advantages of designing EOMA68-complaint devices |
| 08:13.59 | Eigen | not the most catchy name |
| 08:14.02 | Eigen | EOMA68 |
| 08:15.41 | mnemoc | I personally don't give a f* about marketing or mass production or businesses at all... I'm only a programmer, enjoy writting code and get paid for doing so |
| 08:15.49 | Eigen | true |
| 08:15.51 | Eigen | but sadly |
| 08:16.01 | Eigen | marketing is important as is looks |
| 08:17.34 | Eigen | as important to functionality |
| 08:17.37 | Eigen | or at least |
| 08:17.40 | Eigen | in attractitng ppl |
| 08:51.30 | *** join/#arm-netbook Xlab (~Adium@83.149.8.161) |
| 08:52.25 | zenitraM | mnemoc: all the mele orders from forocoches on aliexpress are also stopped |
| 08:52.44 | zenitraM | someone emailed him and he replied with just a... i'll ship them next week |
| 08:53.35 | mnemoc | zenitraM: thanks for the info |
| 08:54.05 | zenitraM | it could be anything, but allwinner forbidding contact doesn't explain delaying shipping meles |
| 08:55.24 | mnemoc | that can be explained by lack of cash to invest and/or lack of time |
| 08:55.33 | mnemoc | but why not messaging the buyers.... ? |
| 08:55.45 | mnemoc | something is odd |
| 09:02.23 | zenitraM | if he's getting married that would explain quite everything |
| 09:03.41 | mnemoc | if he got vacations because of the marriage, yes |
| 09:05.34 | zenitraM | or maybe he's got to find a second job to get the... 2000$? to buy all the meles he's gotta ship |
| 09:05.47 | zenitraM | as he isn't paid after the customer confirms receiving |
| 09:07.02 | mnemoc | it's very possible that ali works as investment bank for sellers |
| 09:08.09 | mnemoc | but everything is mele speculation... |
| 09:09.50 | mnemoc | mere* |
| 09:14.55 | *** join/#arm-netbook rellla (5b07838d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.7.131.141) |
| 09:19.16 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: rami master * rc57dd418c15b /allwinner_a10/orders/Naseem_Oman.mdwn: Feature Request: Make sure sata interface is available!!! |
| 09:20.54 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: rami master * r48929558c167 /allwinner_a10/orders/Naseem_Oman.mdwn: Feature Request: Make sure sata interface is available!!! |
| 09:23.49 | *** join/#arm-netbook rellla (~chatzilla@p5B07838D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:38.07 | *** join/#arm-netbook QingPei (~qingpei@114.217.239.220) |
| 10:58.08 | A1Sheds | Eigen: EOMA68 is the name of a mechanical and electrical "Standard" for cards and boards, feel free to find cutesy names for actual products |
| 10:59.04 | A1Sheds | has the world come to this? The need for Branding in order for people to follow? |
| 10:59.12 | A1Sheds | it's really sad |
| 11:02.22 | mnemoc | lkcl used "chi-mod" or something like that before |
| 11:02.55 | A1Sheds | heh BoobieBoard |
| 11:03.15 | mnemoc | :) |
| 11:03.30 | A1Sheds | something titillating |
| 11:04.54 | A1Sheds | still no uHDMI connectors so it's looking like Amphenol until something better comes along |
| 11:05.30 | mnemoc | :o |
| 11:13.37 | A1Sheds | http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=28T0204&CMP=AFC-GB100000001 |
| 11:15.04 | A1Sheds | I'm not sure if they could have made the connector any wider :) |
| 11:19.52 | mnemoc | $1 the piece... come on |
| 11:20.24 | *** join/#arm-netbook penguin42 (~dg@tu006.demon.co.uk) |
| 11:21.22 | A1Sheds | well under $1 at higher volumes |
| 11:21.48 | mnemoc | at those volumes it shouldn't cost more than 20c... |
| 11:21.55 | A1Sheds | Amphenols site is such a mess maybe you can find the direct link |
| 11:22.46 | mnemoc | i mean, I saw only the prices on the page you pasted |
| 11:22.51 | A1Sheds | $0.34 @ 100k/mo |
| 11:23.03 | A1Sheds | supposedly |
| 11:24.08 | A1Sheds | we did fine another made in China for less but we can't get any samples |
| 11:24.18 | mnemoc | o.o |
| 11:24.27 | A1Sheds | 2 weeks should be enough time to track some down |
| 11:25.26 | A1Sheds | it's funny how they will try to sell you anything |
| 11:26.14 | A1Sheds | we don't have what you want but maybe they will accept those leftover connectors made of cheese, send them that drawing |
| 11:27.22 | A1Sheds | that how all those goofy products end up as goofy products |
| 11:29.59 | zenitraM | mmm, is this the connector for the mele's uart? http://www.taydaelectronics.com/connectors-sockets/wafer-housing-crimp-terminal/serie-2500-2-54mm.html |
| 11:30.26 | zenitraM | it was 2mm, right? |
| 11:31.02 | mnemoc | zenitraM: cables didn't help? |
| 11:31.34 | zenitraM | they do, but found out that site and stumbled upon those |
| 11:32.13 | zenitraM | and wanted to do a proper connection to the usb, which is a little bit more critical. i've burned too many motherboards' usb ports |
| 11:32.16 | mnemoc | the mele needs 4pin 2.00mm |
| 11:34.03 | mnemoc | for the usb the best I found was http://www.ebay.es/itm/180822626764?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_1762wt_1041 + a m/m header + 2.54mm/2.00mm jumper wires |
| 11:35.06 | mnemoc | but I'm limited by my incapability to solder |
| 11:37.00 | A1Sheds | the 2.54mm pitch is = SAE 0.1 inch pitch |
| 11:37.23 | mnemoc | but the mele is metric |
| 11:37.39 | A1Sheds | good, so the 2 mm is confirmed |
| 11:37.55 | mnemoc | yes, looooong ago :) |
| 11:39.10 | A1Sheds | http://hksunlike.com/ArticleShow.asp?ArticleID=654 has issues out of the box, keyboard and camera |
| 11:39.45 | A1Sheds | that's why i was wondering who might have worked on the software |
| 11:39.58 | mnemoc | you have a unit? |
| 11:40.40 | A1Sheds | sitting with a tech partner in China, he's going over it |
| 11:40.51 | A1Sheds | just came in hours ago |
| 11:41.02 | zenitraM | probably they just adapted allwinner's source |
| 11:41.29 | A1Sheds | hope to have Linux up soon |
| 11:41.31 | mnemoc | is it as clunky as it looks? |
| 11:41.47 | A1Sheds | I'm waiting for actual pics |
| 11:41.49 | mnemoc | the hardware I mean |
| 11:41.50 | zenitraM | maybe it has same kb issues as the mele due to not many HW keyboard fixes |
| 11:42.04 | zenitraM | i.e when writing on a URL field, the software keyboard also pops up |
| 11:42.08 | A1Sheds | mele has KB issues?! |
| 11:42.13 | A1Sheds | I haven't been following |
| 11:42.24 | zenitraM | and when you press enter, it presses the currently selected key on the software keyboard instead of sending enter to the box |
| 11:42.30 | zenitraM | well it's not a big issue |
| 11:42.47 | mnemoc | o_O |
| 11:42.55 | A1Sheds | how is the keyboard connected on the Mele? |
| 11:42.58 | zenitraM | SUB |
| 11:42.59 | zenitraM | USB* |
| 11:43.36 | A1Sheds | so where is the problem? kernel HID driver or some UI layer they threw on? |
| 11:43.48 | zenitraM | no, android |
| 11:43.52 | A1Sheds | ah |
| 11:44.06 | A1Sheds | yeah, we are going to wipe it an just install Linux |
| 11:44.09 | zenitraM | which issues does the KB have there? |
| 11:45.12 | A1Sheds | not sure yet, just knew from the factory that there are keyboard and camera issues, we offered to help them fix it all |
| 11:45.26 | A1Sheds | they seem interested |
| 11:45.28 | zenitraM | in exchange for the sources? :) |
| 11:46.13 | A1Sheds | not sure if anything they use is closed or at least made difficult to find source for |
| 11:46.36 | A1Sheds | it comes with either Android or CE from the factory |
| 11:46.54 | zenitraM | they can get a fully working community-based linux by just releasing the kernel sources, if they can release them or press allwinner to do so |
| 11:47.05 | A1Sheds | yes |
| 11:47.29 | A1Sheds | they have been overwhelmed with interest, mostly from the west |
| 11:47.42 | A1Sheds | really, no kidding |
| 11:48.47 | zenitraM | i guess that's what this channel and the list were originally created from :) |
| 11:48.53 | zenitraM | s/from/for/ |
| 11:49.00 | mnemoc | good time for explaining them that if allwinner doesn't release the kernel source they use the device is illegal to be sold |
| 11:49.05 | A1Sheds | M$ and Intel really don't want ARM to get a foothold in another product line |
| 11:49.44 | A1Sheds | first tablets, now netbooks, what next desktops, laptops? |
| 11:50.35 | A1Sheds | Freescale imx6 has been pushed back to August due to fab problems |
| 11:50.37 | zenitraM | and here's where western OEMs (like NVSBL, MaDMaLKaV ) should begin to get interested... |
| 11:50.47 | zenitraM | bbl going home |
| 11:51.15 | A1Sheds | http://am.renesas.com/applications/automotive/cis/cis_highend/rcar_h1/index.jsp |
| 11:51.24 | A1Sheds | need to check on its status |
| 11:52.17 | penguin42 | A1Sheds: I guess it's the OMAPs and Tegras, and Qualcomm devices mostly dominating at the moment (in reverse order I guess) |
| 11:52.51 | A1Sheds | Qualcomm won't even speak to you if they don't already know you |
| 11:53.05 | penguin42 | nod |
| 11:53.06 | A1Sheds | nVidia has their own agenda |
| 11:53.27 | penguin42 | but in terms of products that are out there mainstream, they're very common |
| 11:53.58 | A1Sheds | and TI is still weird about high volume newcomers, no way to buy OEM volumes direct with the OMAP's of interest |
| 11:55.29 | A1Sheds | omap4430/60 was "go buy the $100+ modules" |
| 11:55.41 | A1Sheds | even though it's in a POP package |
| 11:56.21 | A1Sheds | so yeah we have a ~11 x 11mm part but you need to buy the 100 x 25mm cards |
| 11:56.59 | penguin42 | isn't Exynos the same? |
| 11:57.07 | A1Sheds | Samsung |
| 11:57.20 | penguin42 | yeh, I meant in forcing modules |
| 11:57.48 | A1Sheds | I asked my local Samsung rep to track down availability and no response yet |
| 11:58.37 | A1Sheds | somebody posted a contact at Samsung for the cortex a9 devices but I haven't heard back from them either |
| 11:58.59 | A1Sheds | they don't seem interested in exchanging money for parts |
| 11:59.20 | A1Sheds | marvell did offer to sell us the 1-4 core devices without the GPU's |
| 12:00.11 | A1Sheds | http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/armada-xp/ |
| 12:00.21 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Gianluca master * re4eecca2b801 /allwinner_a10/orders/Gianluca_.mdwn: |
| 12:00.38 | A1Sheds | http://www.marvell.com/digital-entertainment/armada-1500/ <---- these were for Google only |
| 12:00.39 | penguin42 | A1Sheds: Oh, I do like the specs on those - how much did they want? |
| 12:01.16 | A1Sheds | didn't ask, they are only worth $15-20 to us |
| 12:01.57 | penguin42 | There aren't any ARM boards with multiple ethernets that you can buy cheap that I know of; it would be nice to have an XP board |
| 12:02.35 | A1Sheds | we can probably get 510 and 610's as well |
| 12:03.13 | A1Sheds | http://www.marvell.com/application-processors/armada-600/armada-610.jsp it's in the OLPC XO-1.75 |
| 12:03.36 | penguin42 | yeh, but I'd be more interested in the one with more cores/ether and PCIe |
| 12:03.42 | A1Sheds | or the 510 http://www.marvell.com/application-processors/armada-500/ used in the CuBox |
| 12:03.59 | A1Sheds | http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox |
| 12:04.14 | penguin42 | I bet a mini-ITX board with one of the XPs on with the PCIe to a socket, and the sata and all the gige socketed would go down very nicely |
| 12:04.29 | A1Sheds | yes, PCIe would be handy, been tempted to get AMD HDxxxx working on ARM over PCIe |
| 12:04.51 | penguin42 | nod, there aren't any cheap ARM boards with PCI(e) |
| 12:04.52 | A1Sheds | the memory space stuff seemed to be the only hurdle |
| 12:05.21 | A1Sheds | unified memory used for the GPU shared space |
| 12:05.26 | penguin42 | don't the XPs have a larger physical memory space hack? |
| 12:05.38 | A1Sheds | don't know |
| 12:06.36 | penguin42 | I'm not sure you need a vast address space for the Radeons anyway; my HD4350 only maps 256M of it's 512M into a BAR on my pc |
| 12:07.03 | A1Sheds | it was the comment from the Radeon devs |
| 12:07.26 | A1Sheds | something assumed about x86 memory space and how the drivers currently work |
| 12:07.45 | A1Sheds | Atom BIOS was workable for ARM |
| 12:08.12 | A1Sheds | they wee just scratching their heads about how to handle some of the memory issues since it hasn't been done yet |
| 12:09.27 | A1Sheds | a few radeon devs were also interested in helping |
| 12:10.10 | A1Sheds | they even had a name for the ARM driver , LEG |
| 12:10.40 | penguin42 | hmmmmm |
| 12:11.19 | specing | Wow, indeed it would be nice to have a 4-core ARM |
| 12:11.19 | A1Sheds | but I can put an MXM slot on an ARM card |
| 12:12.00 | A1Sheds | or a miniPCIe |
| 12:12.11 | A1Sheds | or even a full size PCIe |
| 12:12.49 | penguin42 | A1Sheds: Well that's kind of why I say miniITX wouldn't be a bad size for it |
| 12:13.22 | A1Sheds | more than enough space |
| 12:13.29 | penguin42 | nod |
| 12:13.55 | A1Sheds | but too big for integration into portable/mobile devices |
| 12:14.37 | A1Sheds | so maybe a pico-itx or a laptop MB that also works for tablets |
| 12:14.48 | penguin42 | A1Sheds: Or something with an expresscard socket on? |
| 12:15.21 | penguin42 | A1Sheds: You might be able to tell I'm more interested in something with lots of connectivity than something small |
| 12:15.22 | A1Sheds | it should work with any ATI card |
| 12:15.40 | A1Sheds | yes, but i can build both |
| 12:16.33 | A1Sheds | and it's more likely for me to design a board with potential for high volume |
| 12:17.52 | A1Sheds | TI dev boards are purposely laid out so that they really can't be used for integration into oem products |
| 12:18.11 | A1Sheds | panda, beagle etc |
| 12:18.25 | penguin42 | yeh I'm no good at guessing volumes; I would have thought mini-ITX would do nicely where people might have used ATOM boards |
| 12:18.33 | A1Sheds | but you can make small boards that have lots of IO |
| 12:18.36 | penguin42 | A1Sheds: Really? I can't imagine using a Panda in a real product |
| 12:19.02 | A1Sheds | yeah, it's a clunky board |
| 12:19.30 | penguin42 | right, time for breakfast |
| 12:19.46 | A1Sheds | it's not too bad except for the 2" high stack of USB + ethernet |
| 12:19.59 | A1Sheds | it should have been headers |
| 12:26.23 | *** join/#arm-netbook ekimia (c258de0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.88.222.10) |
| 12:29.41 | DonkeyHotei | hi |
| 12:51.06 | *** join/#arm-netbook eebrah (~Ibrahim_K@212.49.88.73) |
| 13:18.00 | *** join/#arm-netbook DonkeyHotei (~danielg4@70-36-141-16.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) |
| 13:35.33 | *** join/#arm-netbook eebrah (~Ibrahim_K@212.49.88.66) |
| 13:49.20 | A1Sheds | http://am.renesas.com/applications/automotive/cis/cis_highend/rcar_h1/index.jsp working on tracking down the news on these parts today |
| 13:50.14 | A1Sheds | http://am.renesas.com/applications/automotive/cis/cis_highend/rcar_m1as/index.jsp even these would be nice |
| 13:57.50 | penguin42 | A1Sheds: PATA is an odd choice these days |
| 13:58.32 | penguin42 | (mind so is a mix of an sh and an ARM) |
| 13:58.43 | A1Sheds | might be a typo |
| 13:58.50 | A1Sheds | I'd take it |
| 13:59.01 | A1Sheds | SH + ARM |
| 14:00.00 | penguin42 | yeh, I mean why.... |
| 14:01.01 | A1Sheds | IIRC the SH handles the background IO |
| 14:01.44 | A1Sheds | the same way an EC is used to support and x86 in a laptop or server |
| 14:01.55 | penguin42 | I'd have stuck to a second ARM core, but I guess they're reneses so everything has to have an SH in |
| 14:02.16 | A1Sheds | keeps their old codebase |
| 14:02.31 | A1Sheds | the quad core is more my interest |
| 14:02.47 | A1Sheds | 4 ARM coretx a9 + 1 SH-4a |
| 14:03.58 | penguin42 | wonders what the VICS and MOST are |
| 14:06.21 | A1Sheds | VICS: Vehicle Information and Communication System |
| 14:08.36 | A1Sheds | (Media Oriented Systems Transport) interface |
| 14:08.40 | A1Sheds | car stuff |
| 14:08.52 | penguin42 | nod, but not the breaks :-) |
| 14:08.56 | penguin42 | brakes |
| 14:09.11 | A1Sheds | yeah, they keep those systems separate |
| 14:09.59 | penguin42 | although there have been some fun discussions at how badly separated they are - it does have a CAN interface on |
| 14:10.13 | A1Sheds | though if playing Lady Gaga had an effect on brakes while heading towards a cliff.... |
| 14:10.40 | A1Sheds | I'm only kidding |
| 14:11.22 | penguin42 | haha |
| 14:11.50 | penguin42 | I was playing an Xbox racing game in a shop yesterday and noticed it started with a set of legals that included 'Does not simulate airbag deployment. Always drive safely in a real car' |
| 14:12.17 | A1Sheds | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOST_Bus |
| 14:13.06 | A1Sheds | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Information_and_Communication_System |
| 14:14.04 | penguin42 | neat |
| 14:36.00 | A1Sheds | i need to make an open racing wheel for PC |
| 14:36.28 | A1Sheds | even the $300+ wheels use toy motors |
| 14:37.19 | A1Sheds | somebody mist have the USB commands listed somewhere |
| 14:37.30 | A1Sheds | mist/must |
| 14:48.11 | *** join/#arm-netbook mpthompson (~IceChat77@c-50-131-39-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 15:36.50 | *** join/#arm-netbook eebrah (~Ibrahim_K@212.49.88.73) |
| 16:13.59 | rz2k | ping mnemoc |
| 16:14.18 | rz2k | what branch is compilable with lcd working? |
| 16:23.50 | *** join/#arm-netbook QingPei (~qingpei@180.99.3.237) |
| 16:32.31 | *** join/#arm-netbook QingPei1 (~qingpei@180.99.3.237) |
| 16:47.12 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rcf7bb8f72617 /allwinner_a10/orders/ (11 files): order processing cleanup |
| 17:11.10 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: muhlba91 master * rb5f6b44f76fb /allwinner_a10/orders/muhlba91.mdwn: added: beta or stable |
| 17:15.58 | *** join/#arm-netbook Faqtotum (danielg4@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-sluqnjjdznpufwwx) |
| 17:35.57 | *** join/#arm-netbook ZaEarl (ZaEarl@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-lywshowwfszyqlub) |
| 17:41.27 | *** join/#arm-netbook QingPei (~qingpei@180.99.3.237) |
| 17:42.54 | *** join/#arm-netbook QingPei1 (~qingpei@49.90.152.225) |
| 17:58.00 | *** join/#arm-netbook termleech (~termleech@c-68-57-138-123.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 17:58.48 | *** join/#arm-netbook flesh1911 (~flesh1911@31.41.240.22) |
| 18:00.17 | *** join/#arm-netbook DrStrangelove (~danielg4@mb30536d0.tmodns.net) |
| 18:01.48 | *** join/#arm-netbook Faqtotum (danielg4@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-zmibuqvziqexpqjc) |
| 18:03.29 | *** join/#arm-netbook ZaEarl (ZaEarl@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-zmgccxnjuwooxqmt) |
| 18:09.38 | *** join/#arm-netbook Brandon15811 (~Brandon15@ip72-207-255-84.br.br.cox.net) |
| 18:10.48 | *** join/#arm-netbook termleech|null (~termleech@c-68-57-138-123.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 18:12.54 | *** join/#arm-netbook termleech (~termleech@c-68-57-138-123.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 18:14.12 | steev_ | bah |
| 18:14.25 | steev_ | pandawill is out of stock of the ly-f1 that i ordered |
| 18:23.16 | rz2k | that would be lol if that is because of my review |
| 18:23.57 | rz2k | I posted link to pandawill as reference there |
| 18:24.24 | mnemoc | the ly-f1 was the very first a10 tablet to be sold online... it's expectable it's out of stock/catalog these days |
| 18:27.32 | steev_ | mnemoc: the issue is, i bought it because it was the only one that i liked decently enough (and similar to mine) that *wasn't* listed as out of stock (they said 3-4 more days and it would be back in stock) |
| 18:28.27 | mnemoc | steev_: this one looks like it http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/529120163-Drop-ship-2012-Newest-Android-2-3-7-inch-5-Point-Multi-Capacitive-screen-All-winner-wholesalers.html |
| 18:32.39 | mnemoc | but I didn't pay $90 even 5+ months ago when it was "hot".... |
| 18:39.20 | steev_ | yeah i got mine from aliexpress last time |
| 18:39.52 | steev_ | i'd like to find one with bluetooth |
| 18:54.36 | *** join/#arm-netbook Faqtotum (danielg4@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-bqobptbqicpykgec) |
| 19:00.05 | mnemoc | i haven't see any |
| 19:06.51 | rz2k | guys, where is -Werror=unused-but-set-variable is set when compiling wifi modules? |
| 19:07.01 | rz2k | because I get this http://pastebin.com/ygNzQ9ib |
| 19:07.12 | rz2k | (sorry for non-english locale) |
| 19:08.26 | mnemoc | search for -Werror alone |
| 19:08.48 | mnemoc | the rest is the reason of the warning, not a real part of the argument |
| 19:09.09 | rz2k | I grepped entire modules for "unused" and theres nothing related, only comments |
| 19:09.32 | mnemoc | -W adds warnings for unused, which is perfectly fine |
| 19:09.56 | mnemoc | but disitrbuting code with -Werror is wrong |
| 19:10.27 | rz2k | its arm-netbook repo by the way, I'm trying to stick to manual at rhombus wiki |
| 19:11.24 | mnemoc | also, you will probably have better luck using the 2.6.36 in github.com/amery/linux-allwinner ... that repo in alioth hasn't been touched since like 5M ago when allwinner released their official 2.6.36 repo on github |
| 19:11.53 | steev_ | if you're using gcc 4.6 it's set by default |
| 19:12.01 | steev_ | can try going to an older compiler |
| 19:12.43 | mnemoc | sure, or remove the -Werror from Makefile |
| 19:13.44 | mnemoc | rz2k: this is the fix if you wanna fix that repo, https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner/commit/a8fb3d2c2fc353e72aab8c1f5319cb7c523b4092 |
| 19:16.52 | rz2k | mnemoc: I'm trying to get kernel with lcd support, one that is used in that ubuntu dual-boot img |
| 19:17.19 | rz2k | and pack everything into same image but for my ly-f1 |
| 19:17.26 | rz2k | not for novo7elf. |
| 19:18.30 | mnemoc | with the diff on that paste you can compile with 4.6 without troubles |
| 19:20.00 | rz2k | trying now |
| 19:27.18 | *** part/#arm-netbook flesh1911 (~flesh1911@31.41.240.22) |
| 19:36.32 | *** join/#arm-netbook DrStrangelove (danielg4@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-oxdqonwsrebmclxp) |
| 19:36.57 | rz2k | mnemoc: now http://pastebin.com/PnKWgDqx |
| 19:39.44 | mnemoc | rz2k: no idea... that tree was composed by wrongly applying a patch released by ainol and then a couple of tries to fix the mistakes... I don't know how broken it still is |
| 19:40.57 | mnemoc | rz2k: try compiling it without -j so different errors don't get clashed together |
| 19:41.43 | mnemoc | but you should be able to use the kernel of that dual-boot thing... the difference between tablets is in the script.bin file, not in the kernel |
| 19:44.50 | mnemoc | rz2k: you can also try official's allwinner 2.6.36 repo |
| 19:45.21 | *** join/#arm-netbook ZaEarl (ZaEarl@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-ebryjbqjtuipldld) |
| 19:46.05 | steev_ | mnemoc: so linux-allwinner is the current tree? |
| 19:46.19 | steev_ | explains why it seemed no kernel work was being done :P |
| 19:47.31 | mnemoc | well... I can't tell it's *the* current tree, but it's in better shape than alioth's |
| 19:49.32 | mnemoc | and the allwinner-2.6.36-android branch there is based on the official release, instead of a patch |
| 19:53.32 | *** join/#arm-netbook ZaEarl (ZaEarl@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-lhnqvpmtyemdsqyx) |
| 20:02.54 | mnemoc | steev_: do you know if linaro will stick with 3.2 for 12.04 or they will step forward to 3.3 or 3.4? |
| 20:03.24 | steev_ | 3.2 |
| 20:03.31 | steev_ | they stick with whatever ubuntu sticks with |
| 20:03.57 | steev_ | the issue is that ubuntu decides what it's going to use 6 months prior to release |
| 20:04.17 | mnemoc | narf |
| 20:06.29 | *** join/#arm-netbook t0dbld|work (~t0dbld@unaffiliated/t0dbld) |
| 20:10.19 | *** join/#arm-netbook DrStrangelove (danielg4@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-vqgmzmphciobgwvf) |
| 20:11.24 | *** join/#arm-netbook Faqtotum (danielg4@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-dosvvrhfhvmowsrn) |
| 20:16.46 | zenitraM | mnemoc: with 3.0.8 there are different kernels for different devices, or at least built-in settings on the kernel |
| 20:17.25 | zenitraM | most ICS firmwares from another devices didn't work properly on my Ainol until i replaced the kernel with the one released for it |
| 20:18.02 | zenitraM | for several different reasons, including: gravity sensors axis inverted, touchscreen not working, not even booting... |
| 20:18.12 | zenitraM | and script.bin didn't fix it |
| 20:18.23 | mnemoc | :( |
| 20:18.35 | zenitraM | so i wouldn't be surprised if there are *many* 3.0.8 kernel branches out there |
| 20:18.54 | mnemoc | not nice |
| 20:19.41 | zenitraM | with fixes from the manufacturers, which amounts to.. chinese code on top of chinese code from a different developer |
| 20:34.31 | mnemoc | Image Name: Linux-3.0.31-android+ |
| 20:34.36 | mnemoc | Data Size: 3691892 Bytes = 3605.36 kB = 3.52 MB |
| 20:36.52 | mnemoc | I'm still uncertain how to proceed about this kernel tree... to wait or not to wait... to keep fighting fb or to rely in igloo's mali driver, to make a 3.2 tree for linaro or skip until 3.4, ... etc etc etc... and sadly no one else wants to get involved :| |
| 20:42.41 | steev_ | i do want to get involved, just, can't seem to get my tablet to boot |
| 20:42.46 | vgrade | mnemoc, I'm still working |
| 20:42.46 | steev_ | anything that isn't android |
| 20:42.57 | zenitraM | i have no time :( |
| 20:45.16 | vgrade | this thing with Tom and the 3.0.8 source, I thought the 2.6.36 source was released officially |
| 20:47.28 | steev_ | mnemoc: you're working on a mele? |
| 20:47.53 | mnemoc | yes |
| 20:48.18 | vgrade | so we just wait for the next official release |
| 20:48.19 | mnemoc | but haven't really worked on it since like 3w ago |
| 20:49.01 | mnemoc | vgrade: problem is, what will we do if they don't release it? |
| 20:49.34 | mnemoc | how long do we hold development? |
| 20:51.44 | steev_ | mnemoc: have a link? since i'm not getting the tablet might as well get something that you have since it's known to work |
| 20:52.57 | steev_ | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/532332455-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html ? |
| 20:54.27 | mnemoc | I bought that one, but he seems to have more orders than what he can cope with |
| 20:55.17 | mnemoc | there are other sellers too, mele a1000 and a2000 have the same board, but the second has double nand and more compact case |
| 20:55.18 | vgrade | mnemoc, I thought from what lkcl had said we had a working relationship with allwinner they released the 2.6.36 with no problems |
| 20:57.16 | vgrade | so just a matter of time until they start distributing 3.0.8 in a product |
| 20:57.24 | mnemoc | they released 2.6.36 two months after they already had a working 3.0.8 |
| 20:57.50 | vgrade | mnemoc, so is 3.0.8 in a product? |
| 20:58.13 | mnemoc | vgrade: in several, I have 2 tablets that came with 3.0.8 |
| 20:58.31 | steev_ | mnemoc: hm, okay, if he's having issues, maybe ill wait |
| 20:58.47 | steev_ | can keep trying to get the fy-l1 to boot |
| 20:59.10 | mnemoc | steev_: but you can find other sellers in aliexpress too |
| 20:59.27 | vgrade | lkcl, do we still have the special relationship with allwinner where they are working with us from the Board of Directors level? |
| 21:01.07 | vgrade | mnemoc, what are the tablets with 3.0.8? |
| 21:01.26 | vgrade | I'd like to buy one |
| 21:01.48 | mnemoc | uh.... most are |
| 21:01.55 | mnemoc | also with 1GB of ram |
| 21:02.14 | vgrade | mnemoc, which are the 2 you have |
| 21:02.25 | steev_ | mnemoc: have you looked into lima at all? |
| 21:02.55 | steev_ | http://limadriver.org/ |
| 21:03.00 | vgrade | steev_, lima is months off and without recent kernel source useless |
| 21:03.35 | mnemoc | vgrade: ainol novo 7 elf and onda vi10 elite.... but they are used as android tablets by my girls |
| 21:03.44 | steev_ | vgrade: maybe so, but unlike freedreno, i can contribute to lima/mali |
| 21:03.51 | vgrade | mnemoc, thanks |
| 21:03.54 | *** join/#arm-netbook ZaEarl (ZaEarl@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-vkigalqsgntuxciw) |
| 21:03.55 | steev_ | has seen the sources to imageon/adreno |
| 21:04.42 | vgrade | steev_ lucky you. What body part did you have to sell |
| 21:04.52 | steev_ | vgrade: i work for Genesi |
| 21:05.18 | steev_ | i can't work on anything vivante or imageon/adreno opensource |
| 21:06.20 | vgrade | don't they share the same patents |
| 21:06.27 | vgrade | mali and adreno? |
| 21:06.33 | mnemoc | steev_: i saw lima as "hope for the future".... not as something that could be used before 2013 |
| 21:06.38 | steev_ | not sure, but they don't share the same sources |
| 21:06.52 | steev_ | the important bits is the sources |
| 21:07.11 | steev_ | realistically wrt graphics i should probably sit on the sidelines, "just in case" |
| 21:07.19 | vgrade | steev_ you still can;t reverse something which is patented |
| 21:07.50 | steev_ | depends on where you live i suppose |
| 21:08.20 | steev_ | mnemoc: okay i have the latest nanda files |
| 21:08.21 | mnemoc | i friend is reversing the video decoder library... and I seriusly doubt they (allwinner) paid the royalties for all the algos cedar supports |
| 21:08.46 | vgrade | mnemoc, two wrongs etc |
| 21:09.12 | steev_ | mnemoc: what's the github that has the bins? i want to see if mine is different from what's there |
| 21:09.52 | steev_ | ah, got it |
| 21:09.58 | mnemoc | https://github.com/amery/sunxi-bin-archive ? but it's very incomplete |
| 21:10.07 | vgrade | my issue is that allwinner is being touted as a good guy in this and turns out they are playing the same game as others |
| 21:10.32 | steev_ | mnemoc: looks like what i have matches what's in ly-f1 (only difference being a .gitignore file) |
| 21:10.39 | mnemoc | steev_: please note the compiler and decompiler of .bin files is working |
| 21:10.52 | steev_ | mnemoc: the new one? the sunxi-tools? |
| 21:10.58 | mnemoc | yes |
| 21:11.07 | mnemoc | I finished fex2bin this morning |
| 21:12.06 | steev_ | ah /me pulls the updates |
| 21:12.52 | zenitraM | steev_: what does the .gitignore contain? |
| 21:12.52 | mnemoc | so you can actually do changes |
| 21:12.59 | steev_ | zenitraM: "vendor" |
| 21:13.18 | zenitraM | oh |
| 21:14.04 | steev_ | i'll re-make my sdcard soon, only 1 more day of 14 hour work |
| 21:18.24 | *** join/#arm-netbook mikey_w (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 21:18.41 | *** join/#arm-netbook mike_ (~mike@c-71-63-115-202.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 21:26.46 | *** join/#arm-netbook ZaEarl (ZaEarl@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-photjfejvmvdggbh) |
| 21:54.40 | *** join/#arm-netbook ZaEarl (ZaEarl@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-sjishrtzbgedkwbf) |
| 23:21.55 | *** join/#arm-netbook DrStrangelove (danielg4@conference/canonicalproductsprint/x-puqeweixmmjrrmjj) |
| 23:48.47 | *** join/#arm-netbook DrStrangelove (~danielg4@mcd0536d0.tmodns.net) |
| 23:59.41 | *** join/#arm-netbook A1Sheds (~ly@unaffiliated/l84supper) |