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| 02:27.52 | Eigen | hey QingPei |
| 02:32.23 | QingPei | Eigen: hei |
| 02:32.31 | Eigen | hei |
| 02:32.37 | Eigen | this project looks pretty cool |
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| 02:32.49 | QingPei | yeah.. |
| 02:34.20 | QingPei | you know this project just recently? |
| 02:39.33 | Eigen | What do you mean? |
| 02:39.39 | Eigen | I just happened to come across it |
| 02:39.47 | Eigen | but no I do not have any experience |
| 02:40.01 | QingPei | ok |
| 02:41.19 | QingPei | welcome~~~:) |
| 02:41.59 | Eigen | QingPei: you ordered one? |
| 02:47.36 | QingPei | my friend ordered.. i joined in his |
| 02:54.40 | A0Sheds | whats Tom Cubie's nick here? Has he been around lately? |
| 03:05.09 | Eigen | A0Sheds: who is Tom Cubie? |
| 03:05.47 | A0Sheds | Tom works for allwinner |
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| 07:02.39 | hno | traeak, the kernel do not do much FPU operations. But it needs to save the FTP context on context switches. |
| 07:03.26 | hno | A0Sheds, Tom is hipboy, but have not seen him here in a long time. |
| 08:09.25 | mnemoc | hipboi* |
| 08:12.55 | mnemoc | afaik he is awfully busy at work doing sun6i stuff, and busy off work preparing his wedding and his new reseller business |
| 08:14.31 | mnemoc | hno: everything going well adapting the life to the 8th family member? |
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| 09:33.36 | hp_ | My melee just arrived :) |
| 09:33.46 | hp_ | weee |
| 09:34.13 | mnemoc | a1000 or a2000? |
| 09:34.53 | hp_ | a2000 :) |
| 09:35.34 | mnemoc | great, can you post some pictures of the internals? (http://imgur.com/ ?) |
| 09:36.18 | mnemoc | assuming it's not identical to http://i.imgur.com/1xd2j.jpg |
| 09:36.37 | mnemoc | or confirm it's identical if it is :) |
| 09:37.09 | hp_ | looks like there is a heatsink on a10 or? |
| 09:37.19 | hp_ | i just got the language to english hehe |
| 09:37.35 | hp_ | darnit my tv only has dv-i |
| 09:37.49 | hp_ | good thing my monitor has hdmi.. otherwise i'd be screwed with the tv setting |
| 09:38.30 | mnemoc | hdmi to dvi adapters are quite cheap |
| 09:40.08 | mnemoc | yes, in my a1000 it seems they cleaned the dirt of their heatsink applying tool over the a10 :p |
| 09:40.40 | mnemoc | one of the ram chips got some too |
| 09:43.59 | hp_ | darn.. now i need a vga monitor |
| 09:45.57 | hp_ | is there any reset modo on the melee? |
| 09:46.45 | mnemoc | factory reset you mean or powercycle? |
| 09:47.18 | hp_ | hmm |
| 09:47.26 | hp_ | its not helping getting my video back |
| 09:47.35 | hp_ | because i set it to vga mode |
| 09:47.49 | mnemoc | there is a button for that on the remote |
| 09:48.57 | hp_ | got it back again.. after powercycle and a hdmi connector |
| 09:50.08 | hp_ | android version 2.3.4 |
| 09:50.10 | hp_ | :) |
| 09:50.23 | hp_ | Mele-HTPC 20120215 Version 1.3 |
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| 12:03.11 | mnemoc | http://snapshots.linaro.org/precise/images/ubuntu-desktop/119/ ... ubuntu 12.04 armhf :) |
| 12:09.50 | hp_ | so.. i have to see how to get the lid off |
| 12:17.36 | hp_ | mnemoc: http://i.imgur.com/Sufca.jpg |
| 12:27.37 | mnemoc | hp_: thanks :) |
| 12:28.04 | hp_ | mnemoc: :) |
| 12:28.08 | mnemoc | so it's identical to the a1000, and has the connectors too |
| 12:28.25 | hp_ | Yep the alibaba guy was right :) |
| 12:28.37 | hp_ | but he promised to add a usb tty thingy in the package :( |
| 12:29.00 | hp_ | but i see you can boot also via an sd-card? |
| 12:29.09 | mnemoc | yes |
| 12:29.29 | hp_ | mnemoc: how do you boot? |
| 12:29.38 | hp_ | via internal or via ubuntu? |
| 12:35.05 | mnemoc | http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_mmc_boot/ |
| 12:36.01 | mnemoc | tom offered to give the wires for free, not the dongles |
| 12:37.46 | hp_ | is that why vga isn't working? |
| 12:38.12 | mnemoc | eh? vga has nothing to do with anything I've said |
| 12:40.08 | hp_ | mnemoc: i got this message from Tom: I can provide the cable and the TTL to USB serial board which connect the device to pc for free. |
| 12:40.15 | hp_ | so.. |
| 12:40.55 | mnemoc | ok |
| 12:43.49 | hp_ | i couldn't get sound working with my divx.. |
| 12:43.51 | hp_ | hmm |
| 12:43.59 | hp_ | maybee its the divx movie.. |
| 12:44.58 | hp_ | that it has special codec the android doesn't play |
| 12:50.17 | hp_ | mnemoc: check it out http://imgur.com/ahRdC |
| 12:55.37 | hp_ | mnemoc: the device looks cool:) |
| 12:55.52 | hp_ | but hmm no linux here.. have to see how to boot |
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| 13:27.21 | hp_ | mnemoc: check the vga pins on my melee http://i.imgur.com/Sufca.jpg |
| 13:27.25 | hp_ | see whats going on there |
| 13:28.45 | mnemoc | I'm not a hardware person, I don't see anything meaningful on that part |
| 13:30.59 | mnemoc | from my perspective it looks just fine |
| 13:36.33 | hp_ | ermm the wired don't go to the vga connector :) |
| 13:37.17 | mnemoc | it does |
| 13:37.59 | mnemoc | the VGA connector is mounted on an small pcb with a connector on the other side where cables go to the right connector ont he main board |
| 13:38.36 | mnemoc | so the sata cable can be removed without hassle |
| 13:38.47 | hp_ | ahh yeah i see it |
| 13:38.54 | hp_ | i just unscrewed |
| 13:39.05 | mnemoc | eh? |
| 13:39.37 | hp_ | i unscrewed the vga connector and the pcb board from the mount |
| 13:39.43 | mnemoc | I'm answering based on what I see on the picture YOU took |
| 13:40.32 | hp_ | i saw the pcb board ofcourse.. but i didn't see the little threads in the pcb board going to the vga connector untill i looked more close |
| 13:40.41 | mnemoc | have I really find fancy of your board is that the uart connector is horizontal instead of vertical |
| 13:41.00 | hp_ | :) |
| 13:41.27 | mnemoc | s/have/what/ |
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| 15:03.32 | steev_ | mnemoc: so... the u-boot was a bust, and ended up making it so i couldn't boot at all |
| 15:05.30 | mnemoc | steev_: :( |
| 15:06.02 | steev_ | yeah, had to re-image, which is fine, although i really want to work on a way to flash it that doesn't require windows |
| 15:06.42 | steev_ | mostly because i have all of 1 windows machine |
| 15:09.50 | traeak | hno: ahh yes taht *IS* correct. I recall linux 2.2.x didn't do that properly on SMP machines. Chasing that down was a bitch. |
| 15:10.37 | mnemoc | steev_: there are two windows apps phoenixcard and livesuit, the first makes a self installing SD card using the same we do to boot from mmc and the other is over USB booting the device into a recovery mode called FEL and some proprietary protocol tht seems to using xmodem but would need to be reverse engienered |
| 15:11.30 | steev_ | mnemoc: i use the latter, mainly because it's the only one i've ever gotten to work properly |
| 15:12.11 | steev_ | we have Raytheon here this week and next, but after that my 14 hour days should be over and i can look into reversing it |
| 15:12.31 | mnemoc | that would be uberly awesome :) |
| 15:12.58 | traeak | steev_: i'm sort of in the same boat through this week |
| 15:13.13 | traeak | last night i failed at seeing anything on a serial console |
| 15:13.21 | traeak | but i think i screwed up the microsd |
| 15:13.27 | traeak | redoing that now...but ireally hosed the microsd |
| 15:14.20 | steev_ | my issue is that my LY-F1 seems to be.... different |
| 15:14.31 | mnemoc | I've even compiled the kernel over my microsd on the mele |
| 15:14.44 | steev_ | the main thing i'd love to do is get rid of their stupid oem partition on android |
| 15:15.08 | steev_ | i know the kitchen sink is supposed to work for doing something like that |
| 15:15.20 | traeak | writing the whole lucid system is taking forever |
| 15:16.39 | traeak | could be this brand new card is junk as well |
| 15:16.50 | traeak | got it for free with anewegg purchase (probably the reason it is free) |
| 15:16.51 | steev_ | not uncommon |
| 15:19.23 | traeak | definite lockup on writing ... new card probably in order (yuk) |
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| 15:23.56 | hotwings | does anyone happen to know which codecs the mele a1000 supports? |
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| 17:39.15 | Mufasa | Is there any ARM board with 2GB of RAM? |
| 17:41.10 | Mufasa | or at least 1GB? |
| 17:41.15 | mnemoc | I don't know of any cortex a8/a9 supporting more than 1GB |
| 17:41.53 | Mufasa | so it's hardware limitation? |
| 17:42.47 | Mufasa | I was wondering why I haven't seen anything with more than 512MB |
| 17:42.50 | mnemoc | afaik, yes |
| 17:42.59 | mnemoc | there are many tablets with 1GB |
| 17:44.51 | Mufasa | ok, I admit… I was not paying attention to ARM for a few months |
| 17:45.03 | hno | mnemoc, yes, all is going well after some initial hiccups. |
| 17:45.37 | Mufasa | rasberry pi got my attention again but it's still only 512MB |
| 17:46.09 | mnemoc | hno: great :) I really fear the idea of expanding |
| 17:46.32 | hotwings | raspberry pi is 256MB ram, not 512MB |
| 17:46.36 | mnemoc | Mufasa: just checked and as of devkits the samsung origin and the pandaboard both have 1GB too |
| 17:47.21 | mnemoc | the rasberry pi is an arduino that runs linux, you can't compare it with more general purpose devices |
| 17:47.41 | hno | raspberry pi is 256MB ram, small flash, armv5 generation CPU, plenty of I/O pins. Enormous amount of hype. |
| 17:47.58 | hno | and every boot media MUST include non-free components. |
| 17:48.21 | mnemoc | hopefully the olinuxino will kicj it's ass :p |
| 17:48.32 | Mufasa | and I hope that hype will get some peoples attention and demand for more capable hardware :) |
| 17:48.56 | hotwings | rasperry pi is not an arduino either :\ |
| 17:49.16 | mnemoc | Mufasa: http://www.olimex.com/dev/a13-olinuxino.html |
| 17:49.21 | hotwings | also, the video driver is closed-source |
| 17:50.35 | mnemoc | which video drivers for ARM are not closed-source currently? |
| 17:50.54 | mnemoc | and lima doesn't count yet |
| 17:51.04 | Mufasa | usb ones perhaps? :P |
| 17:51.13 | mnemoc | :) |
| 17:52.56 | hotwings | does anyone happen to know which codecs the mele a1000 supports? |
| 17:53.00 | mnemoc | hno: I just made a commit to the 3.3 branch on my repo to "fix" the nand driver (from the ML) you may want to pick |
| 17:53.16 | mnemoc | hotwings: those android supports? |
| 17:54.10 | hotwings | i have no clue what android supports but what would android have to do with it? dont the licenses come from the gpu vendor? |
| 17:54.37 | hotwings | im talking about hardware decoding btw |
| 17:55.50 | mnemoc | hotwings: no idea, but the PDFs at https://github.com/amery/allwinner-a10-video probably say |
| 17:56.37 | hotwings | thanks, will give that a look |
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| 18:53.36 | hno | mnemoc, ok. Will sync up with your tree again on next major hacking session. |
| 18:54.00 | hno | but i think i will stay focused on uboot for a while. |
| 18:55.34 | mnemoc | hno: sounds like a plan :) |
| 18:56.37 | hno | plan is to pull in usb and nand support there, and add usb console support. |
| 18:58.01 | mnemoc | don't you want to mainline what you have first? |
| 18:58.29 | mnemoc | but well... nand support is critical for that |
| 19:02.05 | Gumboot | hno: I thought pi was v6. |
| 19:04.52 | mnemoc | arm9 |
| 19:07.18 | MaDMaLKaV | hi all |
| 19:15.00 | mnemoc | wb Mufasa |
| 19:15.02 | mnemoc | err |
| 19:15.06 | mnemoc | wb MaDMaLKaV |
| 19:15.36 | mnemoc | hno: adding usb and nand support would mean we can start flashing them using `fastboot` ? |
| 19:17.15 | destinal | mnemoc: the pi's arm9 arch is armv5 family, yes? |
| 19:18.50 | destinal | mnemoc: ah no it's an arm11 which would be v6 I think |
| 19:20.05 | destinal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi lists CPU ARM1176JZF-S 700 MHz and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture shows ARMv6 ARM11, ARM Cortex-M |
| 19:20.08 | MaDMaLKaV | mnemoc, any inbteresting jobs there in coruña? |
| 19:20.18 | MaDMaLKaV | I'm so fuckin' tired of my current job |
| 19:30.05 | mnemoc | MaDMaLKaV: nothing... I was thinking in jumping to the island but since yesterday they are officially on recession too :( |
| 19:31.18 | MaDMaLKaV | :/ |
| 19:46.43 | MaDMaLKaV | have to shutdown, bbl |
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| 20:11.58 | hno | mnemoc, yes. |
| 20:13.09 | mnemoc | I like your plan ;-) |
| 20:14.52 | traeak | hee, need to be reminded, the tx line connects to the rx and vice versa |
| 20:15.44 | mnemoc | when it doesn't work one way, it works on the other. 50% of success on the first try :) |
| 20:16.21 | traeak | something still isn't right with the memory card but id did boot to a prompt |
| 20:16.44 | traeak | so in business...next week i'll actually have time for this |
| 20:36.10 | hno | but the plan do not really include fastboot. Primary gual is uboot over usb, with nand support. |
| 20:36.19 | hno | s/gu/go/ |
| 20:47.59 | traeak | impressive, 200MB of the ram is *poof* |
| 20:49.27 | mnemoc | depends what you want to do with the device |
| 20:50.31 | traeak | understood, considering i've spent such little time so far. i'm guessing the amount of ram given to the mali is configuratble somehow |
| 20:52.09 | mnemoc | haven't looked at the .fex in detail but I assume you set there how much memory to allocate |
| 20:52.54 | mnemoc | but the eoma68 card will have a whole GB to spare :) |
| 20:57.04 | specing | Any progress with the lima driver? |
| 20:58.34 | mnemoc | specing: ask at #lima ;-) |
| 21:06.46 | specing | Ooo |
| 21:06.48 | specing | Nice |
| 21:09.03 | mnemoc | got a satisfactory answer there? |
| 21:10.24 | specing | I haven't asked anything yet; I'll just idle for now |
| 21:10.37 | zenitraM | mnemoc: the cables arrived :) |
| 21:11.23 | traeak | the 1GB will be plenty of breathing room |
| 21:11.32 | zenitraM | i hope i have time for hacking after this long-moving-weekend |
| 21:11.51 | zenitraM | wow, now this is an *small* a10: http://www.pineriver.cn/eshowProDetail.asp?ProID=1531 |
| 21:12.10 | mnemoc | zenitraM: before or after getting the keys? |
| 21:12.54 | traeak | the 32USD board looks interesting |
| 21:13.03 | zenitraM | mnemoc: before, in fact the owner of the house opened the letter thinking it was for him and went.. wtf, cables |
| 21:13.06 | traeak | talk about putting a hurt on the raspberry pi |
| 21:13.16 | traeak | what i said aobut 2011 being their window may come true |
| 21:13.18 | mnemoc | zenitraM: hehe |
| 21:13.37 | traeak | have to hyave a keyboard plugged into the system to boot |
| 21:13.38 | traeak | wierd |
| 21:13.39 | zenitraM | then he looked at the address and remembered he's renting his house to engineering students and everything made sense again |
| 21:13.52 | mnemoc | ^^ |
| 21:13.55 | specing | Operating Temperatrue 5?-35? |
| 21:14.11 | specing | So I guess I couldn't use it for about three months ;P |
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| 21:15.57 | mnemoc | specing: what's your *indoor* temperature those months? |
| 21:16.36 | specing | It could rise up to 40'C |
| 21:17.05 | mnemoc | get a fan :p |
| 21:17.21 | specing | two years ago there was a heat wave in the mediterranean region |
| 21:17.30 | specing | 40'C for about 2 weeks |
| 21:17.47 | specing | I did use a fan ofc ;) |
| 21:18.03 | mnemoc | I melt with 25 and freeze with 10... |
| 21:19.14 | mnemoc | I thought you were from USA |
| 21:19.15 | specing | 0.o |
| 21:19.50 | mnemoc | no idea why I decided that |
| 21:19.53 | specing | I went cycling at that time |
| 21:19.59 | specing | 5km uphill |
| 21:20.28 | specing | Was a little sweaty but otherwise fine |
| 21:20.44 | mnemoc | and stinky |
| 21:21.03 | specing | ;P |
| 21:22.33 | destinal | zenitraM: there will be smaller A10's still, I've seem some dongle sized ones in development like cotton candy |
| 21:23.19 | Gumboot | What's US$32? |
| 21:24.03 | destinal | zenitraM: really I think one of these dongle sized computers and a Lapdock (such as made for the android phones) can compete with EOMA68 netbooks for some purposes |
| 21:24.40 | destinal | I bought a couple of lapdocks to hack on when they were on sale recently |
| 21:27.41 | specing | 32$? The price field is blank for me |
| 21:27.55 | traeak | http://micdigi.com/2012/04/hyston-will-release-the-google-tv-box-based-on-a10-solution/ |
| 21:31.15 | Gumboot | Cool. |
| 21:31.24 | Gumboot | That's an outline and pads for a SATA drive, right? |
| 21:31.32 | Gumboot | But no screw holes. |
| 21:42.20 | traeak | cheaper than an rpi model 'b' |
| 21:42.45 | traeak | is that wireless on there? or just the connector? |
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| 22:15.37 | Gumboot | traeak: Well, it looks like a connector which goes directly to a chip which is present on the PCB. That's basically the same as being wired for wireless, right? |
| 22:16.50 | traeak | Gumboot: yeah, seems to include wireless as part of the whole package |
| 22:17.38 | Gumboot | Well, where do I sign up, then? |
| 22:19.39 | traeak | i guess nowhere at this moment |
| 22:19.45 | traeak | so it's vapor for 32usd |
| 22:21.28 | Gumboot | Well, it's not the priciest vapour around. |
| 22:42.12 | CIA-158 | rhombus-tech: hno master * r5b0833c6fe52 /allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000.mdwn: |
| 22:48.38 | hno | traeak, on the picture it looks like hyston have the same usb wireless solution as mele. |
| 22:50.15 | mnemoc | but the board looks more .... elegant |
| 23:13.55 | hno | well, it's blue, and much larger & spacier than the mele. |
| 23:14.04 | hno | and no glue. |
| 23:18.18 | hno | And it do have UART. There is GND () TX RX markings on the pads just next to the HDD area. |
| 23:23.06 | hno | Actually size of the component area is about the same as mele. |
| 23:26.32 | hno | just a whole lot less small resistors and capacitors, and more RAM. |
| 23:33.06 | destinal | @hno: The Google TV box loads Android OS. With network and TV, the box can play videos, make online video chat and surfer the internet. |
| 23:33.18 | destinal | hehe surfer the internet |
| 23:35.24 | hno | destinal, yes? It's an A10 board. Nothing strange there. |
| 23:36.28 | destinal | hno: sorry it's just strange / funny english |
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