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10:56.14MaDMaLKaVmorning all
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13:55.01MaDMaLKaVhno, you had time to look at that linaro mali driver?
14:53.55CIA-158rhombus-tech: Alejandro master * rfb5b7fe81393 /allwinner_a10/orders/Alexis.mdwn:
14:59.11hnoMaDMaLKaV, not really, but it's a Linux xorg driver. Most likely soft-float ABI based on armel.deb package names.
15:08.22MaDMaLKaVat least it will give accelerated xorg and opengl right?
15:38.43hnoMaDMaLKaV, yes, for softfloat systems.
15:44.11MaDMaLKaVouch
15:45.31MaDMaLKaVthought that linaro guys went for hard float as much as they can
15:47.01mnemochttp://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.linaro.devel/10394
15:47.12mnemocUbuntu Core is a minimal rootfs for use in the creation of custom images,
15:47.12mnemocand now includes ARM hard float (armhf) images.   Developers can use
15:47.12mnemocUbuntu Core as the basis for their application demonstrations, constrained
15:47.13mnemocenvironment deployments, device support packages, and other goals.
15:47.38MaDMaLKaVyeah, but if the mali driver is for soft float devices...
15:48.30mnemocno point in including soft-float abi drivers in a hardfloat abi release (12.04)
15:49.41MaDMaLKaVhope you are right and they are hardfloat
15:50.50mnemocnope,
15:51.12mnemoclinaro 12.03 is based on ubuntu oneiric
15:51.36mnemocthat is 11.10, linux 3.0
15:51.44mnemoctherefor soft-float
15:52.38MaDMaLKaVI see, I meesed linaro and ubuntu release numbers
15:52.54mnemoclinaro uses year/month
15:53.30mnemocit is indeed confusing
15:54.38mnemocseems ubuntu's is also year/month based
15:54.41mnemocnarf
15:56.01mnemocbut hopefully linaro will release the mali drivers for their release based on ubuntu 12.04 too
15:58.31MaDMaLKaVhopefully
15:59.09MaDMaLKaVanyway, my hollidays ends tomorrow, my ttl adapter haven't arrived yet, and when I get back to work I will be so enslaved I will have zero time to play with this, so ...
15:59.52mnemocif linaro 12.03 is based in ubuntu 11.10 (5 months) we should have a linaro based in 12.04 by september...
16:00.45mnemocMaDMaLKaV: you are welcomed to port the video drivers in 3.0 tree... no device required, only a compiler :)
16:01.30CIA-158rhombus-tech: Alejandro master * rb6a64a45342c /allwinner_a10/orders/Alexis.mdwn:
16:03.38mnemocand time
16:05.56MaDMaLKaVlots of time, as I will have to learn how to do it before doing it
16:06.10MaDMaLKaVwill not have it, I'm working like 65 hours / week
16:06.37MaDMaLKaVprobably next week I end unemployed or doing some kind of killing spree on central office if stuff continues this way
16:07.04mnemocgo to 2.6.36 and look for a simple driver using similar methods, and then ask git to list you the commits between there and 3.0
16:07.12mnemocthen apply the same changes to ours
16:07.14mnemocdone :)
16:07.31MaDMaLKaVit sounds easier that it is
16:07.36MaDMaLKaVif you explain it that way
16:08.54mnemocbad idea to become unemployed here in .es these days
16:09.38MaDMaLKaVyeah, but at this pace I will probably get to take a nap while driving back home after 14-hours work day and end dead
16:09.42MaDMaLKaVthat is quite uncool too
16:09.53mnemocI imagine :-
16:09.54mnemoc.
16:10.08MaDMaLKaVand, dude, you know the WONDERFUL roads we have here in Galicia
16:10.18mnemoc:D
16:10.20MaDMaLKaVI work on dsl/cable/... data lines manteinance
16:10.30MaDMaLKaVwe do maintenance for the Xunta, for pharmacies
16:10.35MaDMaLKaV...
16:10.50MaDMaLKaVI go to places were you never thought an internet connection could reach
16:10.56MaDMaLKaVand that is a lot of kms a day
16:11.03MaDMaLKaVI do like 70k - 90k yearly
16:11.10mnemoc:o
16:11.37MaDMaLKaVit is just impossible to continue at this pace of work, it they can't get the numbers ok with the people working on legal conditions
16:11.52MaDMaLKaVwell, I prefer to go unemployed than to the cemetary
16:12.05mnemocfair point
16:12.19MaDMaLKaV(yeah, not wrong, 70k -90k yearly alomst without getting out of Galicia)
16:14.37penguin42well if you can wrangle kernel stuff, then there are companies to work for
16:15.42MaDMaLKaVnot really, I'm more like the typical not too brilliant guy that fixes computers, routers and that kind of stuff and doesn't code much more than a hello word
16:15.55MaDMaLKaVsysadmin/IT guy, not a coder
16:16.44mnemocprogrammer jobs in this region are few and badly paid... that's why I work remotely
16:20.53MaDMaLKaVsmart option
16:21.26penguin42not unusual for linux companies doing stuff like that
16:21.42mnemocafter working exclusively over the internet for 6y I really miss a cubicle...
16:21.43penguin42nice thing with ARM boards is that you can do it basically anywhere
16:22.12mnemocthe human interaction I mean
16:22.20penguin42oh humans, scary
16:23.07mnemocexcept for sundays I only leave my flat 20m/day to take out the garbage at night
16:24.10penguin42yeh that's a bit grim
16:24.49penguin42I know here there are some clubs for home workers to get together
16:24.54MaDMaLKaVI'm in the total opposite , I'm out 7am to 9pm in a lucky day
16:25.50mnemocI work for a guy in new jersey and another in mumbai
16:26.20mnemocthat means from 8am to midnight typing
16:26.43mnemoc6d/w
16:26.47penguin42works for a large company, and I do go to the office most days - but most of the stuff I work on is for people in other offices, so actually there is no need to go into the office
16:28.08mnemocworking from home is great, we you actually see part of the team (and specially your boss) a couple of days per month
16:28.16mnemocs/we/when/
16:29.09mnemocmakes you not feel like a robot
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17:51.44CIA-158rhombus-tech: Ambrose master * rc5c36a384ec8 /allwinner_a10/orders/ambrose.mdwn:
17:53.06specingHow many preorders are there at the moment?
18:34.36lkclspecing: it depends on price
18:35.04specingIsn't it the other way around?
18:35.06lkclas in: it depends what people *want* to pay.
18:35.08lkclnope.
18:35.31specing-.-
18:35.34lkclgimme a few minutes to re-run the order_processing.py script to double-check the database
18:35.49lkclpeople keep putting in $EUR 50
18:35.53lkclor 50 $USD
18:35.56lkclor shit like that
18:37.49lkclok here's the alpha grade table
18:37.54lkclalpha 10 400 0.0 30.0 408.0 30.0 12240.0
18:37.55lkclalpha 10 400 0.0 35.0 304.0 35.0 10640.0
18:37.55lkclalpha 10 400 0.0 40.0 265.0 40.0 10600.0
18:37.55lkclalpha 10 400 0.0 50.0 210.0 50.0 10500.0
18:37.55lkclalpha 10 400 0.0 80.0 77.0 80.0 6160.0
18:37.55lkclalpha 10 400 2000.0 30.0 270.0 37.3800738007 10092.6199262
18:37.57lkclalpha 10 100 2000.0 50.0 91.0 71.978021978 6550.0
18:37.59lkclalpha 10 100 2000.0 80.0 30.0 146.666666667 4400.0
18:38.01lkclbeta:
18:38.03lkclbeta 10 99 0.0 80.0 1064.0 80.0 85120.0
18:38.05lkclbeta 100 999 0.0 100.0 1053.0 100.0 105300.0
18:38.07lkclbeta 100 999 0.0 80.0 1064.0 80.0 85120.0
18:38.09lkclbeta 100 999 0.0 60.0 1145.0 60.0 68700.0
18:38.11lkclbeta 100 999 0.0 50.0 1284.0 50.0 64200.0
18:38.13lkcland stable:
18:38.15lkclstable 100 999 0.0 100.0 1055.0 100.0 105500.0
18:38.17lkclstable 100 999 0.0 80.0 1168.0 80.0 93440.0
18:38.19lkclstable 100 999 0.0 60.0 1253.0 60.0 75180.0
18:38.21lkclstable 1000 9999 0.0 100.0 1055.0 100.0 105500.0
18:38.25lkclstable 1000 9999 0.0 80.0 1168.0 80.0 93440.0
18:38.27lkclstable 1000 9999 0.0 50.0 1485.0 50.0 74250.0
18:38.29lkclstable 1000 9999 0.0 35.0 1723.0 35.0 60305.0
18:38.31lkclstable 10000 99999 0.0 30.0 2099.0 30.0 62970.0
18:38.33lkclstable 100000 1000000 0.0 20.0 2739.0 20.0 54780.0
18:38.48lkclso that means that IF and ONLY IF the price is $30 (that's the sale price, excluding shipping, tax and customs duty) then 408 people are prepared to pay $30.
18:39.01lkclIF and ONLY IF the price is $35, there are 304 people prepared to pay $35.
18:39.07lkcletc. etc.
18:39.32lkclpeople have specified the maximum amount that they are prepared to pay
18:39.47lkcltherefore i have had to write a program which iterates through the amounts.
18:40.28lkclhave a look at order_processing.py and you'll see why.  the count_orders functio is an iterative loop.
18:40.50lkclthe complication is that the amount depends on the volume
18:41.08lkcland volume pricing goes *UP* depending on quantity.
18:41.36lkcltherefore as the price goes up (because of less volume) *more* people drop out.
18:41.43lkclthis pushes the price *up* even *more*.
18:42.06lkclso the iteration just keeps removing people above the calculated threshold until it stabilises.
18:42.39lkclbut we do not _have_ a price yet, because we are waiting for bari to complete the boards and get the BOM to ellen.
18:47.18CIA-158rhombus-tech: Nikolai master * ra6aa0f166087 /allwinner_a10/orders/.mdwn:
18:49.39CIA-158rhombus-tech: Nikolai master * r31e992cf984b /allwinner_a10/orders/nzambi.mdwn:
19:05.40CIA-158rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r65888ce2482d /allwinner_a10/orders/ (6 files): order processing cleanup
19:05.50CIA-158rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r44ed47acab86 /: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.hands.com/rhombus
19:05.51CIA-158rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r4ff9870758bd /allwinner_a10/orders/ (.mdwn nzamb.mdwn): order processing clenaup
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19:15.22gnurbshi all
19:15.42gnurbsquestion to the A10: it does not have hardware encryption, right?
19:19.04lkclfrom what i recall that's incorrect.
19:20.27specingA10 is an all-in-one
19:21.09gnurbsdo you have any pointers to information on that?
19:21.55specingWasn't there a talk about AW releasing the docs?
19:55.36CIA-158rhombus-tech: Jeffrey master * rb747a75a3fcc /allwinner_a10/orders/hanschje.mdwn:
19:59.22CIA-158rhombus-tech: hno master * re28848c9e4aa /a10_mmc_boot.mdwn:
20:08.24hnoA10 do have some encryption stuff. Unclear to what level.
20:08.38hnodocs is not yet released.
20:15.15hnolkcl, I think it's about time to settle on a alpha preorder cost level with some margin based on the assumption that there will must likely be unexpected costs (and that the BOM is not yet 100% final) and some design change for beta. It's your venture capital to get the thing going.
20:17.42CIA-158rhombus-tech: hno master * re75da5dc8ba1 /a10_mmc_boot.mdwn:
20:18.15hnoA new u-boot branch at https://github.com/hno/uboot-allwinner with sane defaults, ext2 support and boot.scr support.
20:32.38specingboot.scr? does that imply touchscreen? or console gui?
20:32.51specings/gui/cui/
20:35.10hnospecing, no. it means having a boot script on the SD-card where you can supply boot arguments etc.
20:35.47hnoinstead of having it all buried in the u-boot environment.
20:36.22hnomuch easier to maintain and pair with kernel + rootfs.
20:38.10hnoa graphical boot menu would be cool, but not high on my priority list to be honest.
20:39.20hnoopenmoko did a graphical menu which may be used as inspiration.
20:54.55MaDMaLKaVhno, get ready for the must stupid report you have ever got
20:54.57MaDMaLKaV+#define CONFIG_FAT_WRITE    /* enale wirite access */
20:54.59MaDMaLKaVwirite ?
20:56.37specinghno: heh, thought so
20:57.21MaDMaLKaVenale ?
20:57.45specinghno: Is the procedure for using your branch the same as the one described on the wiki?
21:41.04hnospecing, I also updated the wiki.
21:41.23hnoMaDMaLKaV B)
21:42.29hnofixed
21:48.39hnoregarding encryption, should be capable of DES, 3DES, AES,  SHA-1, MD5, hardware 64-bit random generator, 128-bits EFUSE chip ID.
21:51.56hnoplus ARM Trustzone.
21:53.03MaDMaLKaVgoing to bed, nite all
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