IRC log for #arm-netbook on 20120329

00:40.21tjoyso what's the basic procedure for loading linux on an embedded system like the a10 (or an lpc1788)? load uboot on the device and point it towards a filesystem with a kernel/initramfs?
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06:31.56CIA-91rhombus-tech: Michael master * r6dc23de88528 /allwinner_a10/orders/mmcv2008.mdwn: hope a usable motherboard (USB-, Ethernet, power- HDMI-, SD-Card .... connectors) will be available also!!!
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09:38.44mnemoctjoy: the a10 also needs a file (script.bin) loaded telling the kernel how to initialize it's pins
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14:21.37lkclallo folks
14:22.07lkclA0Sheds: wotcha.  how you doin?  got everything you need?
14:35.20A0Shedslkcl:  all connectors are either in hand on en route
14:35.35mnemoc\o/
14:35.41A0Shedsthings are heating up
14:36.29A0Shedsnow if we can just keep the trolls at bay
14:39.51lkclha ha
14:42.30A0Shedshow did all those tablets get built without a 976 page data sheet?
14:42.38A0Shedsmust be an illusion
14:43.28A0ShedsMele A1000 must not work either, no 1375 page register manual for the A10
14:45.35lkcllol
14:48.33A0Shedsthe art of blowing hot air about yourself while sounding like you're just asking innocent questions (all the while advertising the fact that you really don't know what you are doing)
14:55.13CIA-91rhombus-tech: Blair master * r6de352bf36ac /allwinner_a10/orders/Slipcougar.mdwn:
14:57.20mnemocpeople on every layer of product development always believe their's is the most important one, that the product is 90% done after they have done their part and that everyone else just blows hot air....
14:58.18mnemochates marketing/sales people
15:00.36mnemocdeveloping the product is the easy part, selling it is the hard part
15:05.19A0Shedswhat doesn't work right in the A10 we ask Tom about
15:05.44A0Shedsit seems to work well enough so far
15:06.26A0Shedsdepends on the product grasshopper
15:10.36mnemoc:)
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16:17.33lkclpatience glasshoppaah....
16:26.42tjoymnemoc: thanks, aside from details like that, there's no gross extra step i'm not thinking of? no black magic in getting an ARM micro to run some code?
16:27.25tjoyi suppose if there was it would be in the manual for the particular SoC
16:28.42tjoyand linux kernel config notwithstanding
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17:00.34mnemoctjoy: you mean you want to run a non-linux OS?
17:01.12tjoynope, i meant that configuring a linux kernel might be black magic in itself
17:01.25tjoybut i'm not missing a big step? uboot -> linux?
17:01.56mnemocyes, that's it
17:02.02tjoyawesome, thank you
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17:08.45_jab_sry for bogus traffic
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17:35.59traeakahh cool
17:36.12mnemoc?
17:36.25traeakahh cool in that yeah, there's an IRC channel is all
17:36.36mnemoc:)
17:36.50traeakie: a place to ask about updates on the mele a1000 (if any of that happens here)
17:37.20mnemocyes, it's the right place for that
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17:44.46traeaki'll camp here until i get mine
17:45.08traeakhopefully there will be an idiot proof setup guide for the hacking portion
17:45.32traeaki *had* been interested in the rpi but frankly this thing blows it out of the water for what i want to do.
17:45.44traeakie: i don't give a rip about robot controls, etc
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19:09.30paskyHi! I went through I think most of rhombus-tech.net but I couldn't find any kind of time estimate for the first EOMA68 boards. Is there any kind of schedule for the Allwinner A10, at least a very rough one? I.e. next week, next month, next year...?
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19:26.11A0Shedshttp://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/29/1557228/raspberry-pi-gets-a-red-tape-delay-awaits-ce-certificate
19:26.26A0Shedsmore eoma68 mentions on slashdot today
19:28.24mnemocpasky: hi, the allwinner a10 is a SoC already used in several devices :)
19:29.52mnemocpasky: as of the first batch of eoma68 boards, which happen to be allwinner a10 based, it's expected by june
19:38.13GumbootI want an a1000, but I don't want to pay ridiculous courier fees, so it has to come via DHL or come from within the EU.  Do I have any options right now?
19:44.35mnemocGumboot: to europe hipboi uses sweden post
19:45.10mnemocGumboot: the only really shipping fee in his aliexpress product page is china post, which for you will mean sweden post
19:46.15mnemocif you seriously want DHL buy it and before paying send him a message for a price correction
19:59.04A0Shedsare there any students interested in the http://rhombus-tech.net./gsoc2012/ideas/openec32/
19:59.21A0Shedsthe RTEMS guys said they will add them to GSOC projects
20:00.07A0Shedslkcl: find those students!!!
20:02.51specingis interested but has no time
20:03.35traeaki *did* order an a1000 from alibaba
20:03.58traeakso keeping an eye out here to see if any movement on that to see how much PITA i have to be involved with :-p
20:04.39traeakadded case, power, wireless, sata the mele is way worth the extra $$$
20:04.53traeakespecially if other devices in the future will look a lot like it
20:04.55mnemoceven received his stm32f103 kit, but won't have time for it at all in the following 2M
20:05.56mnemoctraeak: the mele a1000 is indeed a very interesting device
20:14.36traeakmnemoc: interesting and awkward...
20:15.49traeakespecially interesting if the mele a1000 followon device is similar and cheaper yet
20:37.49hp_mnemoc try if he can ship via SF-Express
20:40.08mnemochp_: I have nothing to do with his shop
20:41.38mnemochp_: but afaik he ships everything via espeedpost.com. if they support your preferred shipping method you can ask him to use that
20:42.50Gumbootmnemoc: Last I saw hipboi was out of stock or closed down or something.
20:44.02mnemocafaics by http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/532332455-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html  his second batch is still open
20:48.50traeakuse a coupon to knock off 5USD
20:50.19hp_mnemoc looks like a very nice device :)
20:51.17hp_mnemoc $70 - you know how to boot that device ? :)
20:52.33mnemocfrom nand using the stock uboot or from sd also using uboot
20:53.07mnemocby stock I mean the one included on the device... sun4i support has not been mainlined yet
20:53.10paskymnemoc: nice, thanks!
20:53.24mnemocbut there is a public git repo
20:53.32mnemocpasky: yw :)
20:59.17hp_mnemoc did you order one?
21:01.02traeakmnemoc: public get repo?  for stuff related to hacking the a10 you mean ?
21:01.45mnemochp_: I have one taken apart over my desk
21:02.02hp_mnemoc \o/
21:02.19mnemoctraeak: for the code of uboot for sun4i, aka allwinner a10
21:03.34hp_http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/03/20/allwinner-a10-cortex-a8-based-hackable-mele-a1000-android-stb/ <<-- looks nice
21:09.21traeakhttp://gjkj.wdwd.com/goods.php?id=112
21:09.30traeakmele a2000
21:09.31traeakalready
21:10.30zenitraM:/
21:10.33zenitraMand the difference... is...?
21:11.10hp_the box?
21:11.25mnemocvga is over rga instead of at the side :p
21:11.41mnemocrca*
21:12.05zenitraM2.4G?
21:12.54mnemoczenitraM: eh?
21:13.22hp_i am tempted mnemoc :)
21:13.30zenitraMseems like it supports an RF remote controller
21:13.30hp_instead of Raspberry pi this cool device
21:13.37zenitraMhttp://img03.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i3/61301261/T2q3qzXfdXXXXXXXXX_!!61301261.jpg
21:14.09zenitraMand.. that is all. i wouldn't be surprised if it was even firmware-level compatible
21:14.33mnemoczenitraM: they only seem to have shrank the chassis
21:15.29zenitraMwell in fact
21:15.36zenitraMthe instructions for firmware updating
21:15.44zenitraMtell you to use A1000.rar for flashing.
21:16.46mnemoc:)
21:18.41traeaklooks like the a2000 is probably a pcb redo and is probably cheaper to manufacture
21:19.07mnemocpoke tom to see if he can sell it too
21:19.18zenitraMaaaand from the specs now we know where was the SATA box inspired from
21:19.22zenitraMGoFlex -> google -> http://www.xataka.com/perifericos/seagate-goflex-un-pequenin-que-ademas-es-atleta-y-muy-corpulento
21:19.24traeakthe only reason i *saw* the a2000 was on the firmware page
21:19.28traeakfirmware 1.5 just got released
21:19.35traeakhttp://www.mele.cn/en/web/down_list.aspx?cid=GJS
21:19.42traeakcheck out the first download...the a2000 is mentioned
21:20.34zenitraMprobably includes the kernel module for whatever RF module the A2000 has
21:22.20mnemoczenitraM: but that thing is just a fancy usb/sata adapter
21:23.18zenitraMexactly. but the GoFlex drives are "compatible", as in, shape of case
21:25.24hp_the melee a1000 doesn't have usb 3.0 does it?
21:26.47zenitraMnope, no usb3.0 on A10
21:27.32mnemocwho needs usb3 when you can pull an esata cable? :)
21:28.02hp_wee- $26.38 shipping cost
21:28.12mnemocuh, to where?
21:28.20hp_mnemoc Taiwan
21:28.51hp_Total Price:
21:28.51hp_US $96.38
21:28.56hp_nice!
21:29.06hp_pull an esata cable now thats nice :)
21:29.13mnemochp_: send Tom a message, it will probably be less
21:29.42mnemochp_: most shipping prices are put by the aliexpress template
21:29.43hp_mnemoc if he sends via SF its going to be $5
21:30.02mnemochp_: ask him
21:30.30hp_mnemoc ok i'll and him an email, thanks for the tip :)
21:31.13zenitraMalso, try the coupons here: http://www.thebargainavenue.com.au/interests/fashion-a-style-a-beauty/coupons/15658-aliexpress-coupons-latest-aliexpress-voucher-codes-aliexpress-promotional-discounts
21:31.15mnemocI got a 1m sata/esata cable from ebay for $2 shipping included
21:35.44hp_mnemoc but the HD was just bungling somewhere out the box i guess?
21:39.05mnemochp_: HD is done by the SoC and at least on my a10-based tablet it works great.... I only booted the included OS once to get a copy of the content of the boot partition (nanda)
21:40.46mnemoci bought the mele only for kernel hacking
21:41.08hp_HD = Harddisk in this case
21:41.54hp_mnemoc cool :)
21:42.28hp_i'm awaiting tom's mail.. now getting some sleep :)
21:43.31mnemochp_: it's late in europe, almost day on .tw :p
21:44.54traeakthe a10has sata controller on the SOC
21:48.21mnemocyes
21:54.10traeakyeah, mele for kernel hacking, etc
21:54.29traeakassuming more productions will be released based on the a10
21:54.33traeakproducts i mean
22:22.43A0Shedshttp://www.extremetech.com/electronics/124229-lg-begins-mass-production-of-flexible-plastic-e-ink-displays
22:23.47A0Shedsthese are pretty easy to print
22:24.20A0ShedsI can see $25 tablets by next year with A10 or next gen A10
22:25.05A0Shedsmaking a flexible smartphone will probably be the big winner
22:25.42traeakas long as it'sall open
22:25.47traeakwe need a good lima driver
22:26.01A0Shedsif a10 stays with Mali
22:26.33A0Shedsit;s in the works, ask libv
22:27.00A0Shedsseen libv?
22:27.07A0Shedsno search bot
22:28.23A0Shedstraeak: http://libv.livejournal.com/23584.html   http://limadriver.org/
22:28.25traeaki hope a10 stays with mali
22:28.45traeakunfortunatley no updates in about a month or so on lima
22:28.48A0Shedsnot sure why they would change
22:29.31A0Shedshttps://gitorious.org/lima
22:29.32traeaksome's gpu is cheaper to license?
22:30.23A0Shedsmaybe, but mail is right from arm, so one stop shopping
22:30.52traeakwow flatmush got involved
22:50.12traeakhttp://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/542914515-TTL-to-USB-debug-board-wholesalers.html
22:50.18traeakdo i really really need this thing?
22:54.31mnemocto have a serial console, yes
22:54.45mnemocbut any ttl to usb adapter will do
22:54.48traeaknecessary then for loading your own kernels?
22:55.24mnemocif you *know* that the kernel works good and also the display driver, etc etc etc.... no
22:55.41traeakbenice to know why, right ?
22:58.13mnemocin an arm system the display is the fanciest thing, everything has to work perfectly for it to be available
22:58.42mnemocfor everything else there's the serial console
22:58.49traeakgotcha
23:02.27traeakrequires soldering?
23:02.56mnemocno, you use jumper cables
23:03.54mnemoctom will include a set of 2mm to 2.54mm cables if you ask
23:04.36traeakugh i guess i need to contact him directly
23:04.46mnemocthey are like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=280839459714#ht_2815wt_1041
23:04.50mnemocbut you only need 3
23:05.31mnemoctraeak: after buying the product on aliexpress you can add a "comment" to the order asking
23:09.42mnemocgood night
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