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| 03:54.30 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Bobby master * r5012554c46e1 /allwinner_a10/orders/10000123.mdwn: |
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| 08:04.35 | hipboi | cnxsoft reported the mele box |
| 08:04.37 | hipboi | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/03/20/allwinner-a10-cortex-a8-based-hackable-mele-a1000-android-stb/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=allwinner-a10-cortex-a8-based-hackable-mele-a1000-android-stb |
| 08:26.53 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Peter master * ra20dbec5da36 /allwinner_a10/orders/p.steenbergen__64__j1nx.nl.mdwn: |
| 08:31.34 | zenitraM | nice |
| 08:31.46 | zenitraM | hopefully that will attract more people to the fun :) |
| 09:41.25 | mnemoc | hipboi: hi, any chance to get an snapshot or diff of your still-gpl-violating 3.0.8 tree? :) |
| 09:48.59 | zenitraM | +1 |
| 09:57.59 | mnemoc | hipboi: afaik cnx-software.com is guillaume fortaine |
| 09:58.28 | mnemoc | but not 100% sure |
| 10:38.35 | hipboi | just googled |
| 10:38.36 | hipboi | http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/03/02/free-electrons-releases-embedded-linux-training-materials/ |
| 10:38.54 | hipboi | Guillaume FORTAINE |
| 10:38.54 | hipboi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.46 | mnemoc | meh :( so it's not his :-/ |
| 10:39.51 | mnemoc | wonders |
| 10:52.36 | hipboi | mnemoc: i will ask the possibiity of open source the 3.0.8 kernel tree |
| 10:56.35 | mnemoc | hipboi: thank you |
| 11:00.11 | mnemoc | hipboi: did you see the zip file with the cedarx driver? header seems allwinner-ish... |
| 11:01.58 | hipboi | what zip file |
| 11:02.31 | mnemoc | look at the "[Arm-netbook] Allwinner A10- Video Decode" thread |
| 11:03.12 | mnemoc | has a10_h264_encode, a10_video_decode and PDF user guides |
| 11:03.31 | mnemoc | the code seems like from allwinner, but nothing explicit |
| 11:03.41 | mnemoc | also no mention to the license |
| 11:15.23 | hipboi | i am downloading it |
| 11:15.45 | hipboi | i can't access mediafire |
| 11:17.30 | mnemoc | hipboi: I know dropbox doesn't work from there either, what about google docs? |
| 11:17.45 | hipboi | google docs is ok |
| 11:18.13 | mnemoc | uploading |
| 11:19.33 | mnemoc | hipboi: http://goo.gl/uu9dz |
| 11:19.47 | hipboi | thanks |
| 11:24.28 | hipboi | it's not full source code, right? |
| 11:25.58 | mnemoc | not sure, haven't tried to compile it yet |
| 11:26.23 | hipboi | i think it can be used whatever you want |
| 11:26.40 | hipboi | there are some .a files |
| 11:26.46 | hipboi | not full source code |
| 11:27.23 | mnemoc | right |
| 11:28.36 | hipboi | i need to go home now |
| 11:28.40 | hipboi | see you later |
| 11:29.06 | mnemoc | have a safe trip hipboi |
| 12:34.03 | arokux | hi guys, my Mele got just shipped. looking forward to hack on it with you! |
| 12:37.41 | CaCtus491 | arokux: it is a very nice piece of hardware |
| 12:37.54 | CaCtus491 | ...so where are we at with the connectors connectors connectors? |
| 12:42.38 | mnemoc | hipboi said on the ML his friend "seven" received the wanted samples, but it's up to A2Sheds and luke to accept that source or keep searching |
| 13:11.41 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Frank master * r37ddb3909800 /allwinner_a10/orders/frank.lauer__64__rocketmail.com.mdwn: |
| 13:19.48 | ARE-TEE | Hi mnemoc |
| 13:25.58 | ARE-TEE | I managed to compile the whole kernel and modules |
| 13:26.06 | ARE-TEE | but when I tried to insmod them on my tablet I got |
| 13:26.15 | ARE-TEE | insmod: init_module 'joydev.ko' failed (Exec format error) |
| 13:26.21 | ARE-TEE | and in dmesg I can see |
| 13:26.36 | ARE-TEE | joydev : disagrees about version of symbol module_layout |
| 13:30.30 | mnemoc | ARE-TEE: that 3.0.8 port tree is incomplete, has no video nor sound... In general I don't believe in injecting .ko files either. but that "Exec format error" message smells more it wasn't even compiled for the right platform. did you pass CROSS_COMPILE and stuff |
| 13:34.15 | ARE-TEE | yeh |
| 13:34.18 | mnemoc | I hope to have time to port the video drivers this week |
| 13:34.47 | ARE-TEE | CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-androideabi |
| 13:35.19 | mnemoc | didn't know that toolchain |
| 13:35.27 | mnemoc | lunch, back in30m |
| 13:35.36 | ARE-TEE | no problem mnemoc, going to get some lunch myself |
| 13:35.53 | ARE-TEE | and the toolchain is from android-ndk-r7b |
| 13:36.22 | zenitraM | ARE-TEE: use arm-linux-eabi instead of androideabi |
| 13:36.31 | zenitraM | (you'll probably need the correct gcc for arm) |
| 13:38.33 | ARE-TEE | zenitraM: I'll give that a try |
| 13:39.00 | zenitraM | i didn't try the NDK, but i wouldn't be surpised if there was something special with it |
| 13:39.37 | zenitraM | although probably just injecting the .ko won't work anyway |
| 13:39.45 | ARE-TEE | I just used it as it was referenced in some guide I found |
| 13:40.15 | ARE-TEE | is there a better / easier way of compiling some modules and injecting them into my running kernel ? |
| 13:40.37 | ARE-TEE | It is a all winner based tablet, but they didn't include support for many USB devices |
| 13:40.55 | ARE-TEE | and the internal WiFi is very poor, so I was hoping to just use a USB Wifi |
| 13:41.30 | ARE-TEE | Now thinking it might be easier to try open up the tablet and see about replacing the antenna |
| 13:42.41 | specing | ARE-TEE: the antena is easily replaceable in mine |
| 13:43.05 | ARE-TEE | I wonder if i replace the antenna that it will much difference |
| 13:43.11 | ARE-TEE | I suppose I need to open it up and have a look |
| 13:43.16 | specing | open it |
| 13:43.27 | ARE-TEE | It's using a Realtech 8129CU based module |
| 13:43.37 | specing | yes |
| 13:43.45 | specing | soldered onto the PCB |
| 13:43.54 | ARE-TEE | I havn't seen the guts yet |
| 13:44.48 | specing | what is the name of your tablet? Mine is A10-MID |
| 13:44.55 | ARE-TEE | Ampe A90 |
| 13:45.06 | specing | ah so different |
| 13:45.24 | specing | Seems the chinese are copying it like ... |
| 13:49.43 | ARE-TEE | yeh |
| 13:49.56 | ARE-TEE | I think there are 10 tablets which have similar insides |
| 13:50.13 | ARE-TEE | Right, i'm going to go get some food and then have a go at dismantling this tablet |
| 13:50.25 | ARE-TEE | specing: did yours just unclip or did you have to unscrew ? |
| 13:50.47 | specing | unscrew |
| 13:50.52 | specing | 4 screws |
| 13:51.05 | ARE-TEE | hmm don't think mine has screws |
| 13:51.18 | ARE-TEE | I just know i'm going to end up snapping off some clips or something |
| 13:51.26 | ARE-TEE | this is why I need food first lol |
| 13:51.31 | ARE-TEE | back in a bit |
| 13:52.28 | specing | I haven't snapped off anything, it just has some knife marks :D |
| 13:57.10 | specing | My tablet's wifi also sucks |
| 13:57.21 | specing | can't get more than 120K down |
| 13:59.10 | zenitraM | ARE-TEE: the allwinner kernel isn' compiled with NDK afaik, probably that's the reason why |
| 13:59.27 | zenitraM | i tried also to compile some modules for mine (but for 2.6.36, kernel sources are available) |
| 13:59.40 | zenitraM | and even the kernel version matched, there were symbols missing from the kernel itself |
| 14:00.07 | specing | zenitraM: just replace the kernel and be done with it ;D |
| 14:00.16 | zenitraM | specing: with 2.6.36 i did that |
| 14:00.26 | zenitraM | the problem is… there are no 3.0.8 "official" sources |
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| 14:10.09 | mnemoc | wee...! i finally have an a10-based tablet again :) onda vi10 elite |
| 14:10.34 | zenitraM | nice :) |
| 14:12.05 | mnemoc | I'll try to get hipboi's microsd-to-usb adapter working with it tonight |
| 14:23.06 | mnemoc | it's shameful to have people find your not-booting incomplete port :( |
| 14:24.00 | mnemoc | it should at least reach the point of giving a functional serial console |
| 14:24.22 | zenitraM | well, let's hope you're more successful than me with it |
| 14:24.51 | zenitraM | probably mine didn't output anything because of some small stupid thing. it always happens |
| 14:25.08 | mnemoc | hope so too :) |
| 14:56.20 | ARE-TEE | mnemoc: I think the Onda vi10 is similar to my Ampe A90 |
| 14:56.42 | ARE-TEE | and specing, i've managed to get the case off it |
| 14:56.55 | ARE-TEE | by the looks of it, the antenna is just a piece of wire |
| 14:57.57 | specing | here too |
| 14:58.19 | mnemoc | no idea about the "Ampe A90", but there are several flavours of "onda vi10", the "elite" one has 1024x600 display and 1GB of ram |
| 14:58.34 | specing | 1GB?! |
| 14:59.20 | mnemoc | most new a10-based tablets have those specs, but the previous generation was 800x480 and 512M |
| 15:01.53 | mnemoc | http://www.onda.cn/MP3/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductId=184 |
| 15:02.34 | mnemoc | there are some models with 1GB/16GB coming out already |
| 15:02.46 | mnemoc | specially from ainol |
| 15:03.36 | specing | I have a 512 Meg one :( |
| 15:03.52 | specing | It can compile everything but glibc, binutils and gcc on tmpfs |
| 15:04.06 | specing | Im compiling glibc on an external HDD right now |
| 15:04.49 | specing | mnemoc: Did your tablet come with root access? ARE-TEE? |
| 15:06.17 | specing | It gets quite hot though |
| 15:06.21 | mnemoc | specing: yes, stock `su` and adb as root by default |
| 15:06.34 | specing | Im thinking about mounting a heat sink on it |
| 15:07.12 | specing | Root access by default is soo much better than western companies that are being faschist |
| 15:07.34 | specing | Im not sure any western manufacturer gives you root access out of the factory |
| 15:08.02 | mnemoc | they "protect" you, so you can't damange your property |
| 15:08.33 | specing | Nah, it is more to do with DRM and the media lobby, chinese just don't care |
| 15:08.50 | mnemoc | all my "western" android devices are nexus branded :p |
| 15:12.04 | specing | nexus? |
| 15:12.34 | specing | I have one Archos 10" tablet that is multiboot and one alcatel OT990 phone that I haven't looked into yet |
| 15:13.57 | mnemoc | specing: google's family of phones |
| 15:14.10 | mnemoc | specing: rootable and open source |
| 15:14.52 | mnemoc | it's said they'll launch a nexus tablet with android 5.0 on google io this year |
| 15:16.29 | specing | How much do they cost? |
| 15:18.23 | ARE-TEE | The Ampe A90 has 1024x768 display, IPS 10 touch screen, 1GB RAM, 16GB Internal Flash |
| 15:18.24 | mnemoc | the galaxy nexus (latest) is around 500E |
| 15:18.36 | mnemoc | ARE-TEE: neat |
| 15:18.43 | ARE-TEE | specing: it did come rooted |
| 15:18.55 | ARE-TEE | sorry, I was just looking at the antenna on it |
| 15:19.20 | ARE-TEE | if i'm right, it's just one 1 wire that comes from the board and goes around the bottom of the tablet where it looks like it has been cut |
| 15:19.46 | ARE-TEE | This only cost me £130 from China |
| 15:20.19 | mnemoc | and another 50 for pacelforce? :p |
| 15:20.29 | ARE-TEE | no that was including DHL shipping to the UK |
| 15:20.30 | specing | ARE-TEE: mnemoc Im so yealous of you two having 1G ram |
| 15:21.05 | ARE-TEE | specing: i'm so jealous of you having a good wifi :p |
| 15:22.07 | ARE-TEE | Shouldn't a wifi antenna have 2 connections |
| 15:24.27 | specing | ARE-TEE: doesen't matter, my router is 20cm away ;P |
| 15:24.38 | specing | 1G ram is better than better wifi |
| 15:24.53 | specing | also BGA ram is much harder to replace.... |
| 15:26.17 | mnemoc | I gave my first a10-based tablet, aura fy-l1, to my 11yo daughter as bday present because of the ram :p |
| 15:27.21 | ARE-TEE | Well, good news is that I can probably improve this antenna |
| 15:27.24 | mnemoc | i just didn't expect the replacement to take 2 months to arrive :-/ |
| 15:27.29 | specing | mnemoc: lol |
| 15:27.40 | specing | wait |
| 15:27.41 | ARE-TEE | Well, I originally ordered the tablet in January |
| 15:27.45 | specing | YOU HAVE A DAUGHTER?! |
| 15:27.49 | ARE-TEE | Ordered a Ainol Aurora |
| 15:27.49 | mnemoc | 2 |
| 15:28.02 | specing | D: you people are old |
| 15:28.02 | ARE-TEE | but after the problems at the factory changed to the Ampe end of Feb |
| 15:28.05 | zenitraM | mmm i recall seeing someone at forocoches (spanish forum) buying a "real" antenna and soldering it to the Novo 7 Advanced |
| 15:28.21 | ARE-TEE | I think that is what I might try zenitraM |
| 15:28.28 | ARE-TEE | I can work out where one of the solder points is |
| 15:28.40 | ARE-TEE | but there is about 4 where this one from the current antenna (Sorry wire) is now |
| 15:29.45 | zenitraM | i think it was this one |
| 15:29.46 | zenitraM | http://www.ebay.es/itm/New-TYCO-Laptop-WIFI-Wireless-Mini-PCI-PCI-E-Internal-Antenna-Intel-6250-6230-/250990371823?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a703123ef |
| 15:29.53 | zenitraM | just cut the connector and solder |
| 15:30.48 | ARE-TEE | thanks zenitraM |
| 15:30.54 | ARE-TEE | Not sure if I have room for that inside this tablet |
| 15:30.58 | mnemoc | is the mele really supposed to have built-in wifi or built-in usb for a dongle? :p |
| 15:31.10 | zenitraM | mnemoc: galaxy nexus is at 430€ at Vodafone without any contract :P |
| 15:31.13 | zenitraM | mnemoc: it has wifi |
| 15:31.22 | zenitraM | at least mine connected before committing suicide |
| 15:31.53 | ARE-TEE | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Inspiron-1545-Internal-Wi-Fi-WI-FI-Cable-Antenna-Aerial-GUARANTEED-/251016891261?pt=UK_Computing_Laptop_Accessories_LaptopCables_Connectors&hash=item3a71c5cb7d |
| 15:31.58 | ARE-TEE | might fit |
| 15:32.29 | mnemoc | zenitraM: :D |
| 15:33.03 | zenitraM | that was a surprise, i didn't expect it to have wifi at all |
| 15:35.32 | mnemoc | and where is the antenna? :p |
| 15:36.28 | mnemoc | takes an screwdriver to see the back of the board |
| 15:37.29 | zenitraM | i'm not sure |
| 15:37.37 | zenitraM | some antenna back pics would be nice :D |
| 15:37.42 | zenitraM | s/antenna/board/ |
| 15:41.05 | mnemoc | the back is quite boring.... /me going for the camera |
| 15:57.15 | mnemoc | zenitraM: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/851/dscf2774w.jpg/ the wifi IC (rtl8188cus) it's behind the bottom/right corner |
| 15:58.07 | mnemoc | uhm... how does the zoom work on that thing? |
| 15:58.23 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Asfand master * r9e86ac7c63d8 /allwinner_a10/orders/asfand.mdwn: |
| 15:58.30 | zenitraM | zoomed: http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/9344/dscf2774w.jpg |
| 16:03.03 | mnemoc | and the front, http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/19/dscf2773m.jpg/ |
| 16:04.16 | A2Sheds | so any other changes to the cards? Banana holder? Bowling ball polisher adapter? Pine scented? |
| 16:04.37 | ARE-TEE | I'll take some proper pictures of mine later |
| 16:05.22 | ARE-TEE | I also have bluetooth on this Ampe although it never found any devices |
| 16:05.35 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: eh? |
| 16:05.36 | ARE-TEE | not surprised looking at how the bluetooth antenna is soldered on |
| 16:05.45 | ARE-TEE | looks like the antenna is shorted out |
| 16:05.54 | mnemoc | lovely :( |
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| 16:06.15 | A2Sheds | this is the time for any last features or changes |
| 16:07.12 | mnemoc | I love the initial set of outside connector, I hope it doesn't change |
| 16:07.19 | mnemoc | connectors* |
| 16:08.33 | mnemoc | zenitraM: does one need to be registered to have the link to the full size images? |
| 16:08.48 | zenitraM | idk, i just clicked and it became bigger |
| 16:08.56 | mnemoc | uh |
| 16:09.00 | zenitraM | then right click -> copy image link |
| 16:09.06 | zenitraM | although imgur > imageshack |
| 16:09.41 | mnemoc | thanks for the hint, I'll use that next time |
| 16:10.07 | mnemoc | wee.. supports file dragging :) |
| 16:10.17 | zenitraM | and no-hassles hotlinking :D |
| 16:12.27 | mnemoc | imageshack looks so 90s compared to imgur |
| 16:28.01 | mnemoc | http://imgur.com/a/LF6XS#0 much better... but if tomorrow is sunny I'll take the pictures again... macro sucks on winter-ish days |
| 16:29.02 | mnemoc | can the mele be using the case and grounding as wifi antenna? |
| 16:33.56 | zenitraM | mmm it might be |
| 16:35.29 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: means Seven's offer was satisfactory? |
| 16:49.57 | A2Sheds | what offer??? |
| 16:50.33 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: saw in the ML she was sending you pictures and prices of the components she found |
| 16:50.44 | mnemoc | but I'm probably wrong |
| 16:51.01 | A2Sheds | too cryptic for me |
| 16:51.25 | A2Sheds | if they have found more great, it looks like we're set anyway |
| 16:51.38 | A2Sheds | the more sources the better |
| 16:52.00 | mnemoc | "[Arm-netbook] connectors for A10 EOMA-68 card - help needed in shenzen to go round industrial markets and find connectors" thread, 5h ago |
| 16:52.48 | mnemoc | but great to hear we are set :D time for *cards* *cards* *cards* :) |
| 17:17.00 | A2Sheds | mnemoc: relax kid |
| 17:19.37 | mnemoc | I'm eager because I need to be able to show a physical card to my boss before he contracts someone to design the controllers for a new product using http://www.armkits.com/product/mini8510.asp ... |
| 17:20.34 | mnemoc | and that will happen at the end of may |
| 17:22.57 | A2Sheds | I'm trying to get them in a booth in Taipei by the June 5 |
| 17:25.37 | mnemoc | thanks, that will probably work for me too |
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| 18:45.08 | specing | is doing swap over arcfour-encrypted sshfs ... |
| 18:45.49 | zenitraM | hopes specing is really, really patient. |
| 18:47.46 | specing | nightly compiles ;D |
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| 19:18.58 | ManoftheSea | cards? |
| 19:20.23 | ManoftheSea | yay! |
| 19:21.06 | ManoftheSea | I've been saving pennies for when I get an opportunity to throw 5 thousand of them at the Luke Kernel Mailing List. |
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| 22:01.14 | toxicpsion | zenitraM: what rootfs did you use for your A10 ubuntu experiments? |
| 22:01.38 | zenitraM | toxicpsion: ubuntu & debian |
| 22:01.53 | zenitraM | here's a precompiled one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core |
| 22:02.08 | zenitraM | although there are instructions to roll your own on the wiki i think |
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| 22:06.51 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: Paliouras master * rad3a3570596c /allwinner_a10/orders/grteam.mdwn: |
| 22:34.20 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: slxsoft master * r62cf2419d70c /allwinner_a10/orders/slxsoft.mdwn: |
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| 23:23.10 | CIA-91 | rhombus-tech: http://craide.myopenid.com/ master * re3026d164165 /allwinner_a10/orders/cHrxoGg8.mdwn: |
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