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09:12.47mnemocwee... my mele a1000 coming home today :)
09:14.23zenitraMmnemoc: great news :)
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09:18.27mnemoczenitraM: have you played with your roommate's yet?
09:19.35mnemoc.oO(ehm... that sounded odd)o
09:20.08zenitraMnot yet.. he's gone home for the fallas, and i'm not sure he'd let me anyway after what happened to mine
09:21.55zenitraMyup, it did o.o lol
09:23.05zenitraMisn't today a festive day up there? here it is
09:26.10CIA-91rhombus-tech: Giuseppe master * r9c0cb4671811 /allwinner_a10/orders/agoretti.giuseppe__64__gmail.com.mdwn:
09:26.11mnemocnope, it's a normal day this year, with school and everything
09:26.36mnemocbut that also means with postal delivery :p
09:26.49zenitraMyup, that's what i wondered :D
09:28.11mnemocit should be here in 2h
09:33.25hipboimnemoc: don't forget confirm on aliexpresws
09:34.03mnemochipboi: :)
09:34.20hipboiif i get all the money back, i can buy boxes again, and sell it again
09:34.34mnemochipboi: how long does it take since I confirm until you actually get paid?
09:34.51hipboimaybe 3 or 4 days
09:35.01hipboii have to go now
09:35.14hipboisee you
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11:59.36mnemocmele arrived :)
12:01.33mnemoczenitraM: before voiding the "warranty" ... how should I test it doesn't come with the same defect yours had?
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13:29.24toxicpsionanyone seen any A10 winCE devices?
13:48.02hnoWinCE?
14:01.53toxicpsionyea. WITS lists that there is a CE sdk for a10.. just wondered if there are any devices in the wild.
14:07.27CIA-91rhombus-tech: andry master * rdbbd23788511 /allwinner_a10/orders/andry-i.mdwn:
14:09.22CIA-91rhombus-tech: andry master * r773da3c1a682 /allwinner_a10/orders/andry-i.mdwn:
15:02.11zenitraMmnemoc: if it boots, then it probably works
15:02.17zenitraMthere's no "warranty seal" anyway
15:10.15mnemocuhm... on VGA I got a couple a splashes of green androids holding their hands and then no-signal :(
15:10.27mnemoclooking for an hdmi cable
15:16.45mnemocwith hdmi it booted :D
16:02.57zenitraMmnemoc: there's a key on the remote control that, when hold, will toggle between outputs
16:03.07zenitraMby default it's hdmi and composite output, if you hold that key for some seconds it sets to vga
16:03.27mnemoczenitraM: aha! :)
16:03.49zenitraM(found out about that after several travels between the TV and my VGA-only monitor)
16:04.24mnemocthe construction of the device and the remote is much better than what I expected
16:05.57zenitraMyup. it doesn't look… chinese
16:06.06mnemoc:p
16:06.14zenitraMit's also very easy to open
16:07.26zenitraMi still have to find out where to get the *ding* connectors *ding* to try to make a sort-of-real serial cable
16:11.07mnemoceh? I thought you had a ttl-to-usb adapter (with female to female cables) already
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16:17.10mnemoci still haven't received mine... after 5 weeks
16:18.47mnemocuh, there are some for just 2E on ebay now
16:19.10mnemocpaid 6 for mine, juck
16:19.15mnemocyuck*
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16:27.49zenitraMmnemoc: i have one
16:28.07zenitraMbut the female jumper cables are too big to fit on the socket inside the mele
16:28.25mnemocoh
16:28.51zenitraMyou can put gnd and tx… but there's no room for tx
16:29.09mnemocmili vs. mm :-/
16:29.39zenitraMi ended nearly holding a cable by hand to tx while debugging what happened… so i want to find what the connector type is to try to make a *real* connection
16:29.46zenitraMsame for the usb cable
16:32.46mnemocA2Sheds: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/A10_device_a1000_inside.jpg <--- do you know the name of this connector? seems to be 2mm instead of 0.1"
16:32.57mnemocA2Sheds: the UART connector I mean
16:38.39specingmnemoc: have you tried if floppy power fits?
16:41.08mnemocspecing: it's much smaller :-/
16:42.06mnemocshould have a ruler somewhere
16:45.54A2Shedsi see a circuit board
16:46.22A2Shedswhich one are you asking about?
16:46.41mnemocA2Sheds: middle bottom
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16:47.18A2ShedsGRxTx3.3 UART??
16:47.34specingmnemoc: just solder it off and solder some wires
16:47.54mnemocspecing: I'm unable to solder anything :-/
16:48.03ARE-TEEHi all, where is the best place to get android kernel 3.0.8 source for AllWinner devices ?
16:48.13A2Shedsmaybe it's 0.1" inch spacing
16:48.49A2Shedsmeasure the center to center with a caliper
16:48.51mnemoczenitraM tried with pin cables, but only room for 3
16:49.04ARE-TEEI checked out  https://github.com/amery/linux-allwinner but only to find it's 3.0.8+
16:49.20toxicpsionA2Sheds: should probably be read as Gnd / Rx / Tx / Vcc+
16:49.39A2Shedscenter to center spacing is all I need to find a match
16:49.45mnemocARE-TEE: that's an incomplete port from 2.6.36, not the real source used on devices
16:50.20zenitraMARE-TEE: the 3.0.8 official Allwinner source hasn't been released by them, at least for now
16:50.20mnemoc.oO(where is my f* ruler)o
16:50.21ARE-TEEthanks mnemoc,
16:51.02ARE-TEEand zenitraM
16:51.38ARE-TEEWhats the best way of trying to compile a kernel module that I can load on my AllWinner devic e?
16:52.26ARE-TEEIf I do it from that port, the modules always have a symver of 3.0.8+ and i can't load them on my allwinner device as it's expecting 3.0.8
16:53.03zenitraM<mnemoc> zenitraM tried with pin cables, but only room for 3 <-- no room for 3. i mean, you can put one on GND and other on RX but there's no room between them to put the TX one
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16:53.10mnemoczenitraM: do you have a caliper?
16:53.27zenitraMmnemoc: nope
16:54.08mnemocA2Sheds: it's the double of the center to center distance in hdmi cables :)
16:54.58specingmnemoc: how so?
16:55.23mnemocspecing: ?
16:55.31specing< mnemoc> specing: I'm unable to solder anything
16:56.09mnemocspecing: I don't have the required fine motor skills
16:56.24specing0.o
16:56.28specingfor 0.1 inch?!
16:56.50specingyou don't really need fine motor skills for that
16:58.35mnemocspecing: after over 20 years only using the hands for yuping I can even unwrap a electrical cable
16:58.49mnemocand I can't even type typing correctly :-/
16:58.54specing"yuping"?
16:59.29mnemocs/yuping/typing/
17:00.24specingmnemoc: What are you going to plug in there?
17:00.55specingyou need something to do the 12V <-> 1.8V (or is it 3.3) level conversion
17:02.05mnemocspecing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/170728559489?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_4769wt_932 ... when it decides to arrive :-/
17:02.47specingmnemoc: but that is 5V (TTL)
17:02.57specingYou cannot use that
17:03.19specingyou would risk damaging the A10
17:03.24mnemocspecing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/270930411222?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_6373wt_1274 <--- will this work?
17:04.16specingAgain, Im not sure if the A10 expects 3.3 or 1.8V
17:04.25specingCheck the datasheet (if any)
17:04.30mnemocspecing: the picture says 3.3
17:04.33specingor measure its Tx channel
17:04.48zenitraMi've got this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/260937687388?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
17:04.50specingWhat picture?
17:04.59mnemochttp://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/hacking_the_mele_a1000/A10_device_a1000_inside.jpg
17:04.59zenitraMused it both with my tablet and the mele so I guess 3.3 works
17:05.32zenitraMmnemoc: buy one from UK. they arrive pretty quickly here, mine took a week
17:06.56specingAh, then its okay
17:07.00mnemoc"ttl usb 3.3V" only gives me matches from .hk/.cn :<
17:07.32zenitraMmnemoc: are you using ebay.com or ebay.es?
17:07.45mnemoc.es
17:09.37zenitraMremove the "3.3V" (look for it on the specs/picture) and choose Unión europea
17:10.33zenitraMthis one should work, i think: http://www.ebay.es/itm/1x-USB-TO-RS232-Converter-TTL-Serial-PL2303-232-For-Arduino-ATMEGA-328-/320870449110?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item4ab55e7fd6#ht_4543wt_1165
17:12.20specingremove TTL
17:12.23mnemocisn't that for 5V only?
17:12.23specingit stands for 5V
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17:16.01zenitraMmm idk, the one i pasted before worked for me, so it either supports 3.3v or the tablet doesn't matter about using 5v. <zenitraM> i've got this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/260937687388?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
17:17.54mnemocdo those with 3.3V and 5V detect how much to put on the TX?
17:18.42mnemocor those are power inputs?
17:21.43mnemocARE-TEE: iirc the + is put when CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO is enabled
17:22.44ARE-TEEmnemoc: thanks I will have a look
17:23.44ARE-TEEnope, # CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO is not set
17:25.34mnemocscripts/setlocalversion:55
17:27.18mnemocARE-TEE: scripts/setlocalversion:170 suggests settings LOCALVERSION=
17:27.57mnemocerr... damn, I really need more coffee, back in 30m
17:28.47ARE-TEEoooh thanks mnemoc, so if stop that from adding the +
17:28.54ARE-TEEi'll give that a try
17:28.57ARE-TEEenjoy your coffee
17:34.27mnemocARE-TEE: cheap way is to just remove the noise from that stript.... /me out of real now
17:34.30mnemocscript*
17:34.42ARE-TEEmnemoc: I've done that, just commented out that section
17:34.52ARE-TEEand it looks like it has compiled the modules now without the +
17:34.54ARE-TEEso a big big thankyou
17:35.05ARE-TEEnow to see if I can insmod them on the tablet :)
17:35.07ARE-TEEthanks for the help
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18:31.13hno5V TTL serial cables usually works fine in 3.3V devices, but it's not guaranteed. May fry the device if unlucky.
18:33.41hnothe best cables have a vio input allowing the board to control the I/O voltage level. But those are not very easy to find.
18:34.30hno3.3V serial cables do not work reliably at all in 5V devices.
18:35.00hnoand 5V cables almost guaranteed destroys a 1.8V device.
18:40.34mnemochno: is this safe http://www.ebay.com/itm/270930411222#ht_6353wt_1274 ?
18:44.29mnemocbeside the fact I'll need to find 2mm pitch jumper cables :-/
18:50.04mnemochttp://www.robotshop.com/100mm-f-f-4-pin-jumper-wire.html :D
18:51.03zenitraMmhm interesting
18:51.11zenitraMlet's see how much is shipping
18:51.15hnomnemoc, probably a 3.3V dongle, but it doesn't say other than having 3V3 on one of the serial pins.
18:51.45hnoAh, it sais in title.
18:51.55zenitraM8.88$ shipping
18:53.00hnohave a bunch of 3.3 & 5V FTDI based cables.
18:56.25specinghas a bunch of USB uC
18:57.24hnohttp://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBTTLSerial.htm
18:59.14CIA-91rhombus-tech:  master * r7ede8eb4c209 /allwinner_a10/orders/evgeniypl.mdwn:
18:59.43mnemocI got one of those in hipboi's parcel, but it comes with a 5pin header.... for the breakout board
19:00.04mnemoczenitraM: http://www.elecfreaks.com/store/40-pin-convert-254mm-to-20mm-female-jumper-wires-p-224.html
19:01.52zenitraMmnemoc: mm.. interesting
19:02.52mnemocI was making the mistake of searching 0.1 instead of 2.54
19:04.17mnemocmy virginity slaps me in the face
19:13.48mnemoczenitraM: http://www.ebay.com/itm/280839459714 $6, I'll order that just in case I can't find something similar in a local shop
19:18.28zenitraMnice
19:18.59mnemocseems like a good pack to have :)
19:29.36CIA-91rhombus-tech: johxi master * r088fb284a50f /allwinner_a10/orders/johxi.mdwn:
19:29.45hnomm...  wonder if I have some FT2232H mini modules around. Would make a nice UART + JTAG combo to mount within the box with just a small hole for mini-usb cable.
19:32.28mnemochno: did you solder a jtag to the mele already? :)
19:37.35hnonot yet.
19:38.19hnogot the mele on friday, and been away on saturday and ill on sunday, and now too muich work.
19:39.01mnemocfair enough :)
19:39.26MaDMaLKaVsparkfun have some interesing ttl breakout board with voltage sselection
19:41.50mnemocI ruined my two microsd "sniffer" boards from sparkfun trying to solder the header. won't do it again
19:42.25hnoheader?
19:42.54mnemocthe pins
19:43.36mnemocto http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9419
19:44.14mnemocwasted almost 2 hours and failed misserably
19:45.18hnoThat's a nice little thing.
19:48.35hnoIs it possible to fail soldering a connector on that one? Place the connector throught the holes, let the board rest steady on the connector solder side pins facing up.. Flux on all pins, then gently heat solder to each pin.
19:50.52mnemoci know it's trivial, but I'm unable to do anything useful with my hands
19:51.32hnoah, ok.
19:51.34mnemockeeping the iron "steady" it has an amplitude of around 3mm :-/
19:52.54hnomight be easier if you let the iron rest on something near the tip, but watch out so you don't overheat the board.
19:52.55mnemocand I can hold the board, the iron and the wire at the same time
19:53.09mnemocerr
19:53.11mnemoccan't
19:53.17hnounderstood that.
19:54.28mnemocbtw, what thickness of solder wire one is supposed to use for these things?
19:55.06hnoon that one it doesn't really matter.
19:55.50hnobig pins in big pads.
19:56.25MaDMaLKaVI strip rj45 cable for everything
19:56.44MaDMaLKaVbut I get shitloads of rj45 cable for free so it is not really a technical decision
19:58.08hnoMaDMaLKaV, you find solder wire in rj45 cables?
19:58.17mnemoc:D
20:01.54specingMaDMaLKaV: Where?!
20:02.11MaDMaLKaVbe aware that I'm not a native english speaker, so perhaps I explained bad or I'm understanding you bad
20:02.33MaDMaLKaVI strip it and take the 8 wires inside and use them for soldering
20:02.46MaDMaLKaVnot like I solde shitloads of stuff, some breakout boards and some joystick buttons
20:03.21hnoMaDMaLKaV, solder wire is the wire of solder that you melt.
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20:04.07MaDMaLKaVI see where my error is then :)
20:04.29MaDMaLKaVthanks for the correction
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20:27.40specingMaDMaLKaV: WHERE DO YOU GET IT FOR FREE? I WANT SOME TOO!!
20:28.25mnemoceh?
20:28.46specingThe RJ45 cable?
20:30.07mnemocfor those who work on IT on companies those things are usually freely available :)
20:30.25specingis in highschool atm....
20:31.24specingI want to get hold of some pinky cable
20:31.52specingSo I can make some really cool homemade cables of nonstandard lengths
21:06.24MaDMaLKaVspecing , I work installing data lines, as far as I don't get 200 meters in a row ..
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22:06.10MaDMaLKaVnite all
22:14.02toxicpsion'nite
22:18.07CIA-91rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r57cf7aa3fe99 /allwinner_a10/orders/agoretti.giuseppe__64__gmail.com.mdwn: order processing cleanup
23:05.56ARE-TEEmnemoc: well setlocalversion hack worked wonders from removing the +
23:06.36ARE-TEEbut it's complaining of no symbol version for module_layout now
23:06.45ARE-TEEso trying a full kernel build

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