IRC log for #arm-netbook on 20120307

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00:39.19lkclfil: i did?
00:39.37CIA-46rhombus-tech: Aless master * r7bd75e5dc6bd /allwinner_a10/orders/uwaveRFone.mdwn:
00:39.39lkcli don't really remember doing that.
00:40.03lkclfil: i put a couple of exceptions in, for people who'd said "whoops"
00:40.52lkclbut i don't remember switching it _entirely_ off.  it'd explain why there's been no further complaints though :)
00:42.55CIA-46rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r2dbb27a9b7e5 /allwinner_a10/orders/ (freeduck.mdwn metallurgealpha.mdwn): order processing cleanup
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03:16.22CIA-46rhombus-tech: fsala82 master * re1e9d9e3802d /allwinner_a10/orders/pixy.mdwn:
03:25.34toxicpsionarokux:: i have wireshark logs of flashing my Gemei G2. you were asking around a couple days ago... i'll try to get them upped to a service in the next few days, my connectivity here is somewhat limited.
03:25.45toxicpsionglares @ huawei GSM modem :(
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10:04.48CIA-46rhombus-tech: Alain master * rfd1c039a44e2 /allwinner_a10/orders/Alain91.mdwn:
10:16.39arokuxtoxicpsion, ok, thanks!
10:18.13CIA-46rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rb9086fb43bdc /allwinner_a10/orders/17twenty.mdwn: order processing corrections
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10:18.32CIA-46rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r73fcc1533c37 /: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.hands.com/rhombus
10:38.22arokuxwhy our FAQ page doesn't have History?
10:46.13lkcli have no idea!
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11:31.10CIA-46rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r3da86a2a808d /faq.mdwn: update faq
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12:29.28CIA-46rhombus-tech: Hannes master * rd615da750daf /allwinner_a10/orders/Hannes007.mdwn:
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17:33.17zenitraMtakes a look at the strings on boot1 code
17:33.26zenitraMs/code/binary/
17:33.34zenitraM"swi_handler_entry()........swi just for fun"
17:37.47zenitraMwhat the actual hell
17:38.06zenitraMi found a tool called unimg which extracts A10 livesuit images
17:38.19zenitraM(they are somehow.. encrypted)
17:38.45zenitraMand leaves all contents (mainly partition images, boot0, boot1..) on a folder
17:39.25zenitraMand...
17:39.40zenitraMzenitram@atomico:~/ainol/Firms/sun4i_crane_aino.img.dump$ file PXTOOLS\ _xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
17:39.40zenitraMPXTOOLS _xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: PE32 executable (DLL) (GUI) Intel 80386, for MS Windows
17:40.17zenitraM...the firmware images contain a DLL which seems to be used for updating itself
17:42.59mnemocif it's static we can just inject it as a blob...
17:43.20mnemocmeh... ignore that I said :-/
17:45.01mnemocurl to unimg?
17:45.14zenitraMhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22512903&postcount=17
17:45.20zenitraMwindows only :/
17:45.35zenitraMalthough might work on wine
17:45.42zenitraMsome interesting names in here
17:45.48zenitraM<PROTECTED>
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18:07.18hnozenitraM, what are you trying to accomplish?
18:07.46hnois not terribly interested in livesuite or format of Android A10 images.
18:09.54zenitraMhno: just poking around
18:10.30zenitraMgiven that they're the only thing we can currently flash to the NAND of an A10...
18:11.54zenitraMthe tool also supports repacking of images, and the partition sizes are defined at several files
18:12.41zenitraMmaking a simple image with a fat partition for uboot+kernel and then a huge ext4 on the rest could be useful for linux'ing
18:13.01zenitraMuntil we can get to avoid livesuite
18:13.04hnomm.. but u.boot should support nand, so just boot uboot from sd and then flash from there?
18:14.10zenitraMthe kernel directly recognizes the nand partitions
18:14.19zenitraMnot the raw nand device
18:14.31zenitraMthat could probably be modified
18:14.37hnothat's easily fixable.
18:14.54hnothe partition table is in the kernel.
18:15.02hnoI think.
18:15.37zenitraMi think it's not
18:16.10zenitraMbut anyway if the kernel reads it, then we are also able to write it
18:16.26hnoyes.
18:16.49hnois the nand recognised via mtd or some special driver?
18:17.47zenitraMidk, probably own driver as it's on /dev/nanda, nandb, nandc..
18:19.08hnomajor/minor?
18:19.23hnols -l /dev/nanda
18:20.10hnocat /proc/devices
18:22.34CIA-46rhombus-tech: bari master * r18f7420d3599 /r-car_h1.mdwn:
18:22.35zenitraMmm let me download adb to access the shell...
18:22.56CIA-46rhombus-tech: bari master * raba3620f6883 /r-car_h1.mdwn:
18:23.16CIA-46rhombus-tech: bari master * r2c995e97866d /evaluated_cpus.mdwn:
18:23.31zenitraMopens tab with apple's keynote
18:23.49zenitraMthe new apple TV can do 1080p... meh, my mele can do that.
18:23.52zenitraMcloses tab
18:24.36zenitraM# ls -l /dev/block/nanda
18:24.36zenitraMbrw------- root     root      93,   0 2012-03-06 21:30 nanda
18:25.02zenitraMproc/devices shows nand at 93
18:26.50CIA-46rhombus-tech: bari master * r4aaa3e274573 /via/wm8950.mdwn:
18:27.01hnook, so not mtd then. wonder why.
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18:29.12hnoah, it's not memory accessed.
18:29.42hnodrivers/block/sun4i_nand/
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18:33.16CIA-46rhombus-tech: bari master * r008f8b8d6d42 /enyxos5520.mdwn:
18:33.40hnozenitraM, partition table is in the nand indeed. drivers/block/sun4i_nand/nfd/mbr.h documents the structure.
18:35.53zenitraMand the 12345678_1234567890___mbr file at the firm image stores it
18:36.45zenitraMi wonder why they store each part of the nand separately instead of just a huge nand image... oh well
18:37.07hnohm.. mtd supports non-memory NAND as well.
18:37.20hnozenitraM, because it's easier to do repartitioning etc that way?
18:38.05zenitraMyup, but this is a firmware image packaged for customers to flash
18:38.28hnoor more importantly, easier to change just one part.
18:39.19hnozenitraM, the same firmware image format is used both by developers & customers.
18:39.59hnoalso I think you can select to only flash certain partitions.
18:41.38zenitraMwell that could be
18:41.43zenitraMat least on the livesuite tool you can't
18:42.03zenitraMno option is available apart from.. just flash it
18:47.40CIA-46rhombus-tech: bari master * r909c795ab97e /evaluated_cpus.mdwn:
18:48.15hnocan't you flash from recovery as well?
18:51.02hnoor how do you do normal upgrades without loosing all data?
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18:59.22zenitraMno recovery
18:59.48zenitraMwell, there's *one* option that asks about "format"
19:00.27zenitraMi guess that keeps data/udisk partitions
19:09.15zenitraMthe bootloader supports booting an alternate kernel combo for recovery.. but the recovery partition comes blank
19:09.33hnook
19:09.56zenitraMclockworkmod recovery has been ported, though
19:10.22hnoany luck at getting livesuite usb dumps?
19:12.25zenitraMthe tools i've tried don't want to capture anything on my win7 virtual machine
19:13.42hnozenitraM, the best method I know of is running windows in a vm on Linux and use tcpdump on Linux to capture.
19:19.17zenitraMyup, but the windows vm is on my mac partition :(
19:32.22CIA-46rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r2c0177f21dfc /allwinner_a10/pcb.mdwn:
19:32.23CIA-46rhombus-tech: Clayton master * r297ecf27da6b /allwinner_a10/orders/fiendskull9.mdwn:
20:35.05lkclhttp://am.renesas.com/applications/automotive/cis/cis_highend/rcar_h1/index.jsp
20:35.14lkclbloody 'ellfire - 832 pin, 27x27mm sq!
20:36.15lkclwow, pci-e, 2-channel 32-bit DDR3 (so, 64-bit DDR3)
20:37.45lkclthe things a _monster_!
20:40.21mnemoci really wonder why they used an sh
20:41.42CIA-46rhombus-tech: lkcl master * rb6e464940ba1 /r-car_h1.mdwn: update r-car h1
20:41.46CIA-46rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r0242e4a61acf /allwinner_a10/orders/fiendskull9.mdwn: order processing corrections
20:41.47CIA-46rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r26690d015fc1 /: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.hands.com/rhombus
20:42.05CIA-46rhombus-tech: lkcl master * r2eff0c997626 /allwinner_a10/orders/dejawho.mdwn: order processing corrections
20:48.27CIA-46rhombus-tech: Rohit master * r26b4aa253b60 /allwinner_a10/orders/shenanigan.mdwn:
21:09.06CIA-46rhombus-tech: Daniele master * r5e6cd2564248 /allwinner_a10/orders/ypkdani.mdwn:
21:26.53hnomnemoc, yes a bit odd mix with both ARM cores and SH. And no dev env for the SH core?
21:28.05mnemoctroyan core :p
21:28.32hnoIt's dubbed "dedicated multimedia engine (MME) based on Renesas' SH4A core." in the press release.
21:29.18hnoso a guess is they had some multimedia hardware+software and have added an ARM core for general purpose.
22:23.37mnemoczenitraM: I just realized we are ignoring the sun4i_rootfs.cpio.gz initramfs in the builds of allwinner-v3.0-android
22:24.26zenitraMmnemoc: that rootfs is not used afaik
22:24.52zenitraMon android it just loads the kernel with its root on a partition, no initramfs
22:25.22mnemocCONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE embeds the cpio in the kernel image
22:25.36mnemocno initrd= involved
22:26.03mnemocI remember have failed to build the original 2.6.36 when I didn't have that file
22:27.30zenitraMmmm i can't find that option on my .config
22:27.54zenitraMand the bImages for 2.6.36 and 3.0 are approx. the same size
22:29.00mnemocon a fresh checkout of alioth's 2.6.36
22:29.03mnemoc$ ./build/build_sun4i.sh kernel
22:29.08mnemoc<PROTECTED>
22:29.09mnemoc<PROTECTED>
22:29.25mnemoc$ grep rootfs .config
22:29.26mnemocCONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE="rootfs/sun4i_rootfs.cpio.gz"
22:30.13mnemocbut you are probably right it's not essential
22:30.20zenitraMon the allwinner@github one there's not that line
22:30.30zenitraMunless i'm using the crane conf.. let me see
22:30.59mnemoci suppose ainol added that in their copy of the sdk
22:31.09mnemocnot comming from allwinner
22:31.35zenitraMfrom the script:
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22:31.51zenitraMthe roots is used to make an android boot.img
22:31.58mnemocic
22:32.11zenitraMit doesn't make sense for it to be twice
22:32.58zenitraMalso mmm interesting
22:33.03zenitraMit uses the bImage to make the boot.img
22:33.12zenitraMi used the zImage
22:33.23zenitraMi don't know if that.. matters
22:35.43CIA-46rhombus-tech: bari master * r159cde3d9e93 /evaluated_cpus.mdwn: alphabetized and formatted for better appearance
22:36.28hnoThere is quite a lot in that embedded rootfs.
22:41.06CIA-46rhombus-tech: bari master * r59456c403e02 /evaluated_cpus.mdwn:
22:43.09hnobut does not do much.. fsck /dev/nandd and swith_root. Why can't they do that within the root?
22:44.24mnemocthat's probably why allwinner's tree doesn't use it
22:45.39hnoarch/arm/configs/sun4i-debug_defconfig:CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE="rootfs/sun4i_rootfs.cpio.gz"
22:45.40hnoarch/arm/configs/sun4i_defconfig:CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE=""
22:47.35hnomake some sense, that initrd has a RAMFS_MODE for running only from the initrd, quite useful for debigging.
22:50.16hnolooks like ainol simply left the debug hook in there in production kernels as well.
22:55.19CIA-46rhombus-tech: Maarten master * racaf2e58205e /allwinner_a10/orders/mmartain.mdwn:

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