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| 07:36.34 | hipboi | my aliexpress shop |
| 07:36.36 | hipboi | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/532332455-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html |
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| 09:07.05 | zenitraM | hipboi: the one you're talking to on aliexpress is my roommate |
| 09:07.12 | zenitraM | the aliexpress chat timed out lol |
| 09:07.22 | hipboi | aha |
| 09:19.57 | zenitraM | hipboi: well, it timed out again |
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| 09:48.27 | CaCtus491 | heh, only $690.28 for shipping if I select DHL! |
| 09:53.30 | CaCtus491 | hey, can I order 2, even though I only put my name down for one? |
| 09:53.43 | CaCtus491 | (I noticed that Tom says he only ordered 11) |
| 09:57.53 | zenitraM | use the coupon "rewardbuyer02" |
| 09:58.02 | zenitraM | aliexpress discounts 10$ that way |
| 09:58.11 | zenitraM | and about getting two, you'll have to ask hipboi |
| 09:59.05 | CaCtus491 | yeah, saw the mail about the coupon, thanks :) |
| 10:02.30 | hipboi | CaCtus491: sorry |
| 10:02.52 | hipboi | CaCtus491: i have already transfered the money to Mele |
| 10:03.04 | hipboi | CaCtus491: 14 boxes |
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| 10:41.19 | CaCtus491 | wb hipboi. |
| 10:41.28 | hipboi | hi |
| 10:41.33 | CaCtus491 | I paid for two before I saw your message :( |
| 10:41.45 | CaCtus491 | perhaps keep it incase someone doesn't pay ;) |
| 10:42.11 | CaCtus491 | otherwise, perhaps refund (less any fees it would have cost you to refund) |
| 10:42.38 | mnemoc | hipboi: hi! when people uses the $10 coupon, is that taken from you or covered by aliexpress? |
| 10:42.49 | hipboi | mnemoc: i don't know |
| 10:43.04 | hipboi | mnemoc: i think it's from aliexpress |
| 10:43.11 | CaCtus491 | hmm, I used the coupon - the list suggested it is covered by aliexpress |
| 10:43.31 | CaCtus491 | if it isn't, deduct another $10 you may end up refunding me for the second box! |
| 10:43.46 | hipboi | mnemoc: btw, you didn't pay the shipping expense |
| 10:44.49 | zenitraM | mnemoc, hipboi: from experience from other purchases, aliexpress pays the coupon |
| 10:44.58 | hipboi | CaCtus491: are you kent? |
| 10:45.12 | zenitraM | if i believe well the seller doesn't even know if the buyer has used a coupon |
| 10:45.29 | hipboi | zenitraM: yes |
| 10:45.56 | CaCtus491 | yeah |
| 10:46.43 | zenitraM | you should leave the item as it was, only china post |
| 10:47.11 | zenitraM | if anyone wants another shipping they can ask you and you can make a price adjustment later |
| 10:47.11 | hipboi | CaCtus491: do didn't pay the shipping expense, either |
| 10:47.39 | mnemoc | the first option aliexpress gave me was HKP L-/ |
| 10:48.05 | zenitraM | mnemoc: that's ali's own templates default price, it's set to free for some reason |
| 10:48.07 | mnemoc | hipboi: can you cancel it from your side? to make a new order |
| 10:48.24 | mnemoc | hipboi: including the breakout board this time |
| 10:48.33 | CaCtus491 | hipboi: feel free to take that out of the refund for the second unit too, otherwise do as mnemoc says, cancel it and I'll redo it properly |
| 10:49.05 | zenitraM | mnemoc, CaCtus491: you should be able to request cancellation from Aliexpress, but the option might not appear until the payment has been verified |
| 10:49.32 | mnemoc | ok, I'll make the second buy now and cancel the first when allowed |
| 10:50.07 | hipboi | mnemoc: i can not cancel on my side now |
| 10:50.37 | zenitraM | just added a warning on the wiki |
| 10:51.38 | hipboi | zenitraM: thank you |
| 10:51.42 | mnemoc | hipboi: rebought, I'll cancel the bad one when aliexpress allows me |
| 10:51.59 | zenitraM | when the payment is processed you'll be shown a Request Cancellation button |
| 10:52.33 | zenitraM | after you do that then hipboi will be able to allow the cancellation |
| 10:52.57 | hipboi | zenitraM: you know so much! |
| 10:53.25 | mnemoc | f*, I', such a noob some times... forgot to add the coupon... sh*t happens |
| 10:54.10 | zenitraM | hipboi: i bought my Novo7 on a spanish forum big group buy and everything was handled using aliexpress, and some issues happened so we learned a bit about how ali works |
| 10:54.46 | mnemoc | zenitraM: where on spain are you? |
| 10:54.52 | hipboi | mnemoc: you can re-buy again |
| 10:55.04 | zenitraM | mnemoc: madrid, you? |
| 10:55.10 | mnemoc | coruña |
| 10:55.33 | zenitraM | nice to know :P |
| 10:55.39 | mnemoc | :) |
| 10:58.40 | mnemoc | hipboi: the coupon can only be used once :-/ |
| 10:59.15 | hipboi | mnemoc: but you havn't used it, right? |
| 10:59.28 | mnemoc | hipboi: i did in the order without shipping |
| 11:04.33 | mnemoc | hipboi: what about adding a 3rd bogus product with a high shipping cost those who didn't pay the mele shipping can buy to compensate the difference? |
| 11:04.53 | mnemoc | :) |
| 11:05.04 | zenitraM | that could be an option |
| 11:05.45 | hipboi | mnemoc: yeah, this could be a way |
| 11:06.05 | hipboi | and i see a lot on taobao |
| 11:06.19 | hipboi | i don't know if it works on aliexpress |
| 11:06.51 | hipboi | because the products page need to be verified before you publish it |
| 11:07.14 | zenitraM | mnemoc: have you got anything you haven't paid for yet? i.e the breakout |
| 11:07.23 | zenitraM | if i'm not wrong, you can request the seller to readjust the price |
| 11:07.28 | zenitraM | if the buyer hasn't paid yet |
| 11:08.26 | mnemoc | i don't see how to buy without paying immediately |
| 11:08.26 | hipboi | zenitraM: yes |
| 11:08.44 | zenitraM | you could buy another breakout and then hipboi can readjust the price to make the price of the breakout + shipping = the price of the shipping for the mele |
| 11:09.16 | zenitraM | mnemoc: just close the window. you have 30 days to make the payment after the order has been placed |
| 11:09.50 | hipboi | zenitraM: mnemoc have re-bought |
| 11:10.14 | CaCtus491 | I'm waiting until you guy work out what is best to do befoer I change anything :) |
| 11:10.48 | zenitraM | well, in that case... |
| 11:11.30 | hipboi | CaCtus491: you can re-buy it with shipping |
| 11:11.45 | mnemoc | and lose the coupon as i did :p |
| 11:11.48 | hipboi | then we just ignore the ones without shipping |
| 11:12.03 | hipboi | till we can delete it |
| 11:12.20 | zenitraM | you could create another ali account |
| 11:12.26 | CaCtus491 | mnemoc: it is the price we should pay for our mistakes ;) |
| 11:12.29 | zenitraM | with a different email address |
| 11:12.31 | zenitraM | it might work that way |
| 11:14.32 | CaCtus491 | good idea, I've got a friend with an account, will get them to buy it and put my email, etc in the notes so you can link it back to me |
| 11:15.00 | zenitraM | or you can try to find a different coupon. those coupons appear from time to time |
| 11:15.45 | zenitraM | and two different coupons can be used, in fact i used a 20$ one to buy my novo with the same account |
| 11:21.47 | CaCtus491 | hipboi: ok, the order from Steve S is my second order. Will cancel Kent W when it lets me :) |
| 11:23.26 | hipboi | CaCtus491: ok |
| 11:23.45 | hipboi | CaCtus491: i noticed the phone number is different |
| 11:24.04 | CaCtus491 | either are ok. |
| 11:24.11 | hipboi | CaCtus491: ok |
| 11:24.11 | CaCtus491 | second one is my mobile |
| 11:25.31 | hipboi | ok, i see |
| 11:32.22 | mnemoc | hipboi: may I try to buy (and not pay) a breakout board and see if you can add the missing shipping cost there? |
| 11:33.06 | hipboi | i just removed the breakout board... |
| 11:33.24 | hipboi | let me put it on again |
| 11:35.35 | zenitraM | if you figured out where to buy the breakout boards you would get quite a bit of people from the list interested :) |
| 11:36.00 | CaCtus491 | what is this breakout board? |
| 11:37.15 | hipboi | mnemoc: you just ordered |
| 11:37.22 | mnemoc | hipboi: please check if you can add the extra shipping t it |
| 11:37.52 | mnemoc | then canceling my second order instead of the first |
| 11:37.53 | zenitraM | shipping to spain is 8.82$ |
| 11:37.58 | mnemoc | and saving the coupon |
| 11:38.16 | hipboi | ok, i see |
| 11:38.26 | zenitraM | for the breakout shipping to spain is 2.88$, at least from what I can see |
| 11:39.02 | mnemoc | yes |
| 11:39.06 | zenitraM | probably the best option is just ordering another breakout and adjusting the price of the breakout to 8.82 including shipping |
| 11:39.24 | mnemoc | that's what I'm testing :) |
| 11:39.50 | mnemoc | hipboi said he can't add bogus products because aliexpress review them before publishing |
| 11:41.04 | zenitraM | well, the breakout board can be used... |
| 11:41.04 | hipboi | mnemoc: i have adjusted the price of the breakout board |
| 11:41.49 | mnemoc | hipboi: sure about that final price? I do want to but the breakout board :) |
| 11:42.03 | zenitraM | you could set the price of the breakout to something high (100$?) so nobody else buys it by accident |
| 11:42.25 | mnemoc | s/but/buy/ |
| 11:42.44 | hipboi | mnemoc: i am confused by the price adjust ment system |
| 11:42.48 | zenitraM | take into account that the box appears as the only result on aliexpress when searching for male a1000 so you might want to add a warning |
| 11:43.07 | zenitraM | hipboi: probably what you can adjust is the price without shipping |
| 11:43.33 | CaCtus491 | is there a link to what this breakout board is? |
| 11:44.01 | mnemoc | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/527673076-A10-tablet-macro-sd-breakout-card-debug-cable-wholesalers.html |
| 11:45.33 | CaCtus491 | ahh, so they expose a ttl uart on the uSD slot? |
| 11:45.36 | hipboi | mnemoc: i think it's right now |
| 11:45.54 | hipboi | CaCtus491: yes |
| 11:46.16 | hipboi | CaCtus491: but not any more... |
| 11:46.35 | CaCtus491 | aww, so it wouldn't be handy for the Mele boxes then |
| 11:48.30 | mnemoc | CaCtus491: it's for hacking a10 tablets |
| 11:48.40 | zenitraM | exactly |
| 11:48.43 | zenitraM | without opening them |
| 11:49.14 | hipboi | CaCtus491: the box is sd card slot |
| 11:49.25 | hipboi | but the tablet is uSD slot |
| 11:50.24 | mnemoc | hipboi: paid! :) now I can cancel my second order in peace |
| 11:50.35 | hipboi | mnemoc: good |
| 11:50.46 | zenitraM | i guess you could use a sd to microsd adapter, but probably it's faster just to use the built-in serial on the mele |
| 11:51.24 | mnemoc | indeed |
| 11:51.27 | hipboi | zenitraM: yes |
| 11:52.56 | zenitraM | mmm hipboi boot0 and boot1 won't output to the uSD serial, right? |
| 11:53.09 | zenitraM | or at least the one on my tablet doesn't, i directly only get the linux messages |
| 11:54.06 | hipboi | zenitraM: they can, but they do not read the sys_config, instead they are processed by a pc program which read the sysconfig and write to the head of boot0 and boot1 |
| 11:54.45 | mnemoc | which is the next hipboi open source project :p |
| 11:55.18 | hipboi | now we have u-boot and u-boot spl |
| 11:55.36 | hipboi | which can replace boot0 and boot1 |
| 11:55.48 | mnemoc | ic |
| 11:56.03 | hipboi | but now u-boot doesn't have a nand driver, this is a problem |
| 11:56.49 | zenitraM | ohh, then the boot-from-mmc u-boot that you made replaces boot1? |
| 11:57.02 | hipboi | yes |
| 11:57.12 | hipboi | it can now on mmc |
| 11:57.35 | hipboi | you can make a bootable mmc card with that |
| 11:58.19 | mnemoc | the main limitation is that booting from the card you can't have serial |
| 11:58.27 | hipboi | yes ... |
| 11:58.53 | mnemoc | dilemma |
| 11:59.00 | hipboi | so now i need to find a way to use mmc card flash a u-boot to nand |
| 11:59.08 | hipboi | and then u-boot in nand boots |
| 11:59.18 | hipboi | you can start to debug |
| 11:59.36 | zenitraM | and what about the script.bin when using u-boot? |
| 11:59.59 | hipboi | currently script.bin can not removed |
| 12:00.07 | hipboi | the kernel use it a lot |
| 12:00.19 | zenitraM | the setup is done by the kernel then? |
| 12:00.45 | hipboi | so u-boot can load the script.bin to ram, then load kernel and boot kernel |
| 12:00.53 | zenitraM | ahh i understand |
| 12:01.26 | zenitraM | that explains why.. loading u-boot from the android boot1 doesn't output anything to the serial |
| 12:01.31 | zenitraM | over uSD |
| 12:02.01 | zenitraM | it uses the boot0 config and outputs to the internal serial, am I right? |
| 12:02.36 | hipboi | boot0 and boot1 reads their header to decide which to output |
| 12:02.58 | hipboi | their header is modify by pc program according to sys_config |
| 12:03.30 | zenitraM | and where will u-boot output to? |
| 12:03.40 | zenitraM | to the port specified on the boot1? |
| 12:03.41 | hipboi | serial |
| 12:03.59 | zenitraM | it is hardcoded then to output to the serial always? |
| 12:04.09 | hipboi | if u-boot is loaded by boot1 |
| 12:04.17 | hipboi | u-boot doesn't config the pin |
| 12:04.29 | hipboi | so i just uses the pin boot1 configed |
| 12:04.57 | zenitraM | ohh i understand then |
| 12:05.09 | zenitraM | that's why I could get nothing from u-boot... |
| 12:06.20 | hipboi | you can add two lines of code to force u-boot output from uSD |
| 12:07.21 | zenitraM | what should I have to do? setup those pins from u-boot? |
| 12:07.41 | zenitraM | on the code I mean |
| 12:08.43 | hipboi | wait a moment, i need to cherry-pick some changes to lichee-dev branch |
| 12:09.09 | zenitraM | ok :) |
| 12:16.05 | hipboi | http://git.hands.com/?p=u-boot.git;a=commit;h=de5d59b4cf5c31d391b5b207b834a31b80befef8 |
| 12:18.26 | zenitraM | great :) that will make it write to the pin specified on script.bin (if loaded from boot1)? |
| 12:18.33 | hipboi | you can add sunxi_gpio_set_cfgpin(SUNXI_GPF(2), SUNXI_GPF2_UART0_TX); |
| 12:18.39 | zenitraM | ohh |
| 12:18.58 | hipboi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.10 | hipboi | in init |
| 12:20.38 | zenitraM | great :) i'll try this afternoon at home |
| 12:20.42 | zenitraM | thanks for the help! |
| 12:21.50 | zenitraM | btw do you know anything about kexec? |
| 12:21.59 | hipboi | no. |
| 12:22.06 | zenitraM | i've tried on my ubuntu root and it just reboots the tablet |
| 12:22.45 | hipboi | do you mean kexec boot? |
| 12:23.36 | zenitraM | yes, booting to a kernel (well, exactly the same kernel in fact) from a running kernel |
| 12:24.15 | zenitraM | i boot using another root using recovery, but using kexec to boot the same kernel with the same parameters |
| 12:25.02 | zenitraM | results in android booting (default boot option) which leads me to thing that either kexec is not working and the tablet is just rebooting or the kernel is using the wrong kernel params (for android roots) |
| 12:26.01 | zenitraM | i'm used the kernel that came compiled so i'm not sure if this is fixed on the github one, i'll have to try |
| 12:32.00 | hipboi | i need to go home now, see you later |
| 12:33.01 | zenitraM | ok, see ya! |
| 12:33.04 | zenitraM | thanks again for the help! |
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| 13:06.33 | hno | Hi, somehow I had missed we have an IRC channel ;) |
| 13:34.37 | mnemoc | better late than never |
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| 18:55.13 | A2Sheds | connectors connectors connectors.... everybody chant :) |
| 19:00.52 | zenitraM | co-nnec-tors! |
| 19:06.38 | mnemoc | any idea how much longer it will take to get those alpha boards on production? |
| 19:11.37 | mnemoc | you don't really need to find the perfect source for the alpha boards, don't you? |
| 19:13.39 | A2Sheds | the pcb layout will change, if we change connectors |
| 19:17.56 | A2Sheds | so there will the cost of making new files for the pcb, (photoplotter films, PCB drilling files etc) |
| 19:18.08 | zenitraM | raspberry pi (probably) starting its sales tomorrow at 6am GMT |
| 19:18.16 | A2Sheds | it's frustrating |
| 19:18.49 | A2Sheds | too bad they didn't make it into an easy to integrate card |
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