| 04:23.10 | A2Sheds | http://www2.electronicproducts.com/BeagleBone-credit-card-sized-89-dollar-open-source-hardware-platform-enables-fast-development-and-10-second-Linux-boot-npip-NPI-Plus-012612-BeagleBone.aspx |
| 04:23.36 | A2Sheds | anyone know why the boot is soooo sllloooww? Flash bandwidth or?? |
| 05:41.45 | A2Sheds | http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4236490/ZiiLabs-samples-stem-cell-Android-SoC ZiiLabs samples 100-core, HEVC-ready Android SoC |
| 05:43.03 | A2Sheds | http://www.ziilabs.com/news/releases/pr20120215.aspx HanZpad Platform Solutions Target China's Vast Tablet Market Including Education Market for Digital Textbooks and Classrooms |
| 06:57.19 | lkcl | Gumboot: both apple and microsoft built their success on top of dynamic object-orientated technologies. in the case of apple it was Objective-C and in the case of microsoft it was DCOM. |
| 06:57.48 | lkcl | i've been chasing DCOM implementations for over 10 years: it's too complex for free software developers to understand. |
| 06:58.17 | lkcl | and too costly for one developer to work on for the time it takes to create a stable version |
| 07:00.59 | lkcl | holy shit! djdj944@hotmail.com |
| 07:01.04 | lkcl | http://tcom.andjoin.com/ |
| 07:01.23 | lkcl | sorry not the email address (cut/paste error), there's some guys who implemented DCOM! |
| 08:38.34 | Gumboot | I used DCOM briefly in 2001ish. It may be complex, but that didn't seem necessary for making Microsoft successful. |
| 08:38.52 | Gumboot | I thought that's just because they were idiots and couldn't make anything straightforward. |
| 08:46.32 | Gumboot | Umm. I mean, I thought that's why DCOM was complex, not why they were successful. |
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| 09:53.34 | CaCtus491 | ahh |
| 09:53.38 | CaCtus491 | more people here ;) |
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| 10:44.20 | lkcl | yeah surprisingly :) |
| 10:48.40 | CaCtus491 | I'm keenly following the mailing list :) |
| 10:48.57 | CaCtus491 | what are you aiming to have an initial board ready? |
| 10:51.42 | CaCtus491 | we'll be looking to develop a revision of a product ~mid this year, and are considering moving from our current ARM7 chip with direct code (no standard OS) to something like what you are trying to achieve here |
| 11:12.39 | lkcl | we're presently sourcing the 6 connectors |
| 11:13.04 | lkcl | once those are found, the first prealpha boards will be done in about 7-10 days |
| 11:13.53 | lkcl | the PCB layout is done already.... *except* the connectors |
| 11:47.16 | CaCtus491 | mm, I'll be watching Seven's progress on the list. Most of those connectors are for the base board though, rather than for the EOMA module? |
| 11:48.21 | mnemoc | hi, if anyone still looking for a a10 tablet, there is an ainol aurora (7" IPS glossy 1GB/16GB) for $139 (shipping included) in aliexpress now. http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/526651160-Free-Ship-Ainol-Novol-7-Aurora-7-inch-Google-Android-4-0-All-Winner-A10-1-wholesalers.html |
| 11:52.12 | CaCtus491 | are you aware of any 10" tablets with the A10? |
| 11:52.36 | mnemoc | 9.7" I've seen |
| 11:54.03 | CaCtus491 | close enough :) |
| 11:54.27 | CaCtus491 | Would be nice to get something to play around with, but to also be able to use as a tablet afterwards |
| 11:57.26 | CaCtus491 | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/528752233-2012-wholesale-10-capacitive-AllWinner-A10-ployer-MOMO15-Tablet-PC-free-dhl-shipping-wholesalers.html $210 though |
| 11:59.20 | mnemoc | unless you buy larger quantities you probably won't find a 9.7"-10" for less than $200 |
| 12:00.43 | mnemoc | http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/529524890-9-7-Bmorn-V99-andriod4-0-tablet-pc-Allwinner-A10-tablet-pc-16GB-Dual-Cameras-Supports-wholesalers.html ... 30 for $52 each :p |
| 12:05.15 | CaCtus491 | It's a shame - we have an app that uses Sencha Touch (www.sencha.com) that we're about to deploy from the end of March which requires ~1000 tablets to be installed across 500 stores. Due to poor performance of Sencha on Android, we need to use iPads |
| 12:06.17 | mnemoc | uhm |
| 12:12.29 | hipboi | Hi |
| 12:12.55 | hipboi | with the help of my workmate, finally get the dram inited |
| 12:13.08 | hipboi | i spend a whole day debugging |
| 12:13.31 | hipboi | the u-boot-spl will be working soon |
| 12:15.17 | mnemoc | \o/ |
| 12:20.22 | mnemoc | hipboi: hi :) OT: should I forget about the option to get/buy one of your sexy microsd-to-usb adapters? |
| 12:21.41 | hipboi | : ( i don't know how to give it to you. |
| 12:21.51 | hipboi | i even have packaged it |
| 12:23.30 | hipboi | sd card boot will be soon |
| 12:25.28 | mnemoc | hipboi: what's the less-expensive option china post gave you? |
| 12:25.59 | hipboi | china post only allowed by sea |
| 12:26.06 | mnemoc | o_O |
| 12:26.39 | hipboi | let me ask some shop owner on aliexpress |
| 12:27.16 | hipboi | see how they send things abroad |
| 12:27.36 | mnemoc | I wonder if sellers lie to the post office or the person in the post office BS-ed you |
| 12:29.51 | mnemoc | btw, having a serial port in the microsd, booting from usb is also critical :) |
| 12:30.03 | hipboi | yes |
| 12:33.35 | A2Sheds | EMS or DHL from China is pretty common |
| 12:33.57 | A2Sheds | http://www.ems.com.cn/ |
| 12:35.23 | hipboi | i have asked a aliexpress shop owner |
| 12:35.36 | A2Sheds | http://www.cn.dhl.com/en.html is much faster 1-2 days vs 5 days EMS, but also far more expensive |
| 12:35.44 | mnemoc | ems and dhl are no option of me |
| 12:35.49 | hipboi | he said he sent all the pad by airmail |
| 12:36.16 | A2Sheds | who is the "he"? |
| 12:36.24 | hipboi | the shop owner |
| 12:36.31 | mnemoc | ems and dhl gets heavily taxed when arriving here |
| 12:36.43 | hipboi | i just picked one from so many shops |
| 12:36.58 | A2Sheds | oh ok, yes, it works as well, it only takes 2-3 weeks that way |
| 12:36.59 | mnemoc | hipboi: the same "airmail" you were told you can't use? |
| 12:37.17 | hipboi | mnemoc: yes, the same airmail |
| 12:37.30 | mnemoc | hipboi: then you were lied in the post office? |
| 12:37.42 | hipboi | mnemoc: the worker at China Post told me i can not send it |
| 12:38.04 | hipboi | mnemoc: damn it |
| 12:38.39 | hipboi | mnemoc: but the shop owner also asked where i live |
| 12:39.05 | hipboi | mnemoc: he said it's ok by airmail in Shenzhen |
| 12:39.16 | mnemoc | restrictions may apply by province? |
| 12:39.17 | A2Sheds | I've sent motherboards made in China that I purchases in the US to China and they added another $10 tax there :) |
| 12:39.30 | hipboi | mnemoc: i will try to send it in Shenzhen |
| 12:40.00 | hipboi | i need to go home now |
| 12:40.02 | mnemoc | hipboi: it doesn't really justify a trip to shenzhen only to send me a parcel.. |
| 12:40.26 | hipboi | sometimes i went to Shenzhen to see some friends |
| 12:40.27 | mnemoc | hipboi: have a good night |
| 12:40.32 | mnemoc | hipboi: :) |
| 12:40.56 | hipboi | the bus of the company arrives 8:30 PM |
| 12:41.16 | hipboi | and takes those who works late home |
| 12:41.28 | mnemoc | 10m ago... |
| 12:41.53 | mnemoc | hurry! |
| 12:42.04 | hipboi | it will stay for a long time |
| 12:42.14 | hipboi | leave at about 8:50 |
| 12:42.21 | hipboi | bye |
| 12:42.33 | mnemoc | bye :) |
| 12:44.34 | A2Sheds | http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120220PD202.html the tablet bubble is bursting |
| 12:47.31 | mnemoc | just in time for the ipad3 failure :p |
| 12:47.52 | mnemoc | .oO(die apple die)o |
| 12:48.47 | A2Sheds | heh, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me 3 times and I must be an Apple fanboy |
| 12:49.02 | mnemoc | haha |
| 12:51.00 | gordan | From the articles I've been reading on the subject recently, the situation seems to be even worse than the 30% drop. |
| 12:51.37 | gordan | As somebody so eloquently put it - at some point people are going to realize that the lack of a keyboard isn't a feature. :) |
| 12:51.51 | A2Sheds | http://www.digitimes.com/Reports/Report.asp?datepublish=2011/12/30&pages=RS&seq=400 |
| 12:52.01 | A2Sheds | 2012 tablet market forecast |
| 12:52.38 | A2Sheds | yes, only so much you can do comfortably with a tablet |
| 12:53.33 | mnemoc | gordan: cases with BT keyboards are very common |
| 12:54.04 | CaCtus491 | although, I find that there is still 'enough' that can be comfortably done that I'd be willing to spend ~$200 on one |
| 12:54.31 | mnemoc | but I'm still hoping to see a thinkpad-ish 11-12" arm (eoma *cough*) laptop |
| 12:55.17 | A2Sheds | I forget how high the street prices are in the US. I saw some tablet soft cases with Bluetooth keyboards for $90 yesterday. |
| 12:55.36 | mnemoc | uh |
| 12:56.37 | A2Sheds | http://www.digitimes.com/supply_chain_window/story.asp?datepublish=2012/02/10&pages=PR&seq=203 |
| 12:57.37 | A2Sheds | marvell said that they are too busy with Google TV to want more customers for the Armada 1500 |
| 12:57.41 | CaCtus491 | ...I like the idea of having a 10" or so tablet that you can pass around the table when friends are over to show digital photo albums, etc. Most other tablet suitable things can be done with a 4" Android phone, just the screen size for photos is a little small |
| 13:00.24 | mnemoc | anxious to see the next chromebooks comming out of the mobile world congress this weekend |
| 13:00.54 | mnemoc | making the first generation x86 was an awful mistake |
| 13:06.18 | A2Sheds | Google has very few devs over 40 |
| 13:07.22 | A2Sheds | so don't expect too much |
| 13:11.43 | A2Sheds | mnemoc: a few of the Google chromebook devs are in #coreboot |
| 13:14.16 | A2Sheds | I'm still searching for a planet with affordable and reliable 24/7wireless connectivity and a way to get there |
| 13:15.39 | mnemoc | :) |
| 13:16.11 | A2Sheds | and wasn't Java in 1998 supposed to offer this "host all your apps and all your files thing on the net" |
| 13:16.25 | A2Sheds | it was going to change everything |
| 13:16.36 | mnemoc | A2Sheds: any plan of support the a10 in coreboot? :) |
| 13:16.51 | A2Sheds | we could |
| 13:17.46 | A2Sheds | boards first, then if the bootloader info is all open them I'm sure it will happen |
| 13:18.25 | A2Sheds | QingPei was in here last week, he mentored the ARM port during last years GSOC |
| 13:19.04 | mnemoc | boards! boards! boards! boards! |
| 13:19.21 | mnemoc | (loop) |
| 13:19.25 | A2Sheds | they wanted to support marvell's openRD but Marvell wouldn't release the specs for init into the open |
| 13:19.38 | A2Sheds | connectors connectors connectors |
| 13:19.43 | mnemoc | :) |
| 13:20.14 | A2Sheds | the price of the the connectors are higher than the whole rest of the board |
| 13:20.21 | mnemoc | o_O |
| 13:20.49 | A2Sheds | a high price to pay for some injection molded plastic and some stamped metal pins |
| 13:21.39 | A2Sheds | worst case we'll have to help somebody make some connectors as well |
| 13:23.46 | A2Sheds | bbl |
| 13:42.17 | gordan | Toshiba AC100 has a ChromeOS kernel. |
| 13:42.34 | gordan | That's Tegra2 based. |
| 13:43.02 | gordan | I'm typing this on an AC100 running a modified ChromeOS kernel and RSEL6. :) |
| 13:43.57 | gordan | Yeah, connectors are always the expensive part. |
| 13:44.23 | gordan | Unless you by them in ludicrous quantity. |
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| 14:11.32 | mnemoc | gordan: the ac100 is available in only very few places |
| 14:13.40 | mnemoc | gordan: searching on ebay.es only gives one seller, and wants 250E+shipping for it |
| 14:14.21 | mnemoc | (and it's used) |
| 14:16.07 | gordan | It _was_ available (new) everywhere except US. |
| 14:16.18 | gordan | Search on eBay.co.uk |
| 14:16.29 | mnemoc | but they don't ship it here |
| 14:16.42 | mnemoc | here=spain |
| 14:17.01 | gordan | You could always ask. Especially the shops selling "new" (old stock) units. |
| 14:17.30 | gordan | Then again £170 they tend to ask for isn't far from ?250. |
| 14:18.15 | mnemoc | for that price I prefer to wait for the next generation |
| 14:18.39 | gordan | The "next generation" is Asus Transformer Prime, and they are going for £450. |
| 14:21.52 | mnemoc | after android 5 and win8 get released there will be more options, I'm sure |
| 14:27.55 | gordan | I doubt they'll be any cheaper. |
| 14:28.11 | gordan | AC100 is pretty awesome value compared to the alternatives. |
| 14:29.01 | gordan | And unlike the alternatives, it has been hacked to death (have a sift through http://www.altechnative.net for various upgrades and hacks). |
| 14:30.23 | mnemoc | :) |
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| 16:16.05 | A2Sheds | funny how <$100 in parts keeps on turning into $250-$600 when it hits the streets |
| 17:18.47 | mnemoc | up to 2x I can easily undersand |
| 17:19.18 | mnemoc | above that it becomes disgusting |
| 17:26.18 | A2Sheds | what kept the AC100 off of US shelves? Threats by M$ or Intel? |
| 17:47.14 | lkcl | i heard someone say that apparently the AC100 was a "mistake" - i think it was in this irc channel :) |
| 17:56.47 | mnemoc | i really hope to see a toshiba ac200 this year |
| 17:58.04 | mnemoc | the transformer is way too macbookish for my taste |
| 17:59.41 | A2Sheds | that's what Acer or Asus said about their ARM netbooks at Computex a few years ago " sorry, they were a mistake" |
| 18:01.17 | mnemoc | a "netbook" a few years ago was something very different than what it's today |
| 18:03.26 | mnemoc | I would too have been ashamed of having my company name on those crappy arm9 jokes |
| 18:03.53 | A2Sheds | they had "slowpower" technology |
| 18:05.06 | A2Sheds | they didn't want to scare people and have them compute too fast :) |
| 18:05.17 | mnemoc | :) |