| 00:29.21 | ManoftheSea | hey, more small cheap computers are good, too. |
| 00:29.37 | ManoftheSea | I know it's not ideal, but there are people who benefit from small, cheap computers. |
| 00:29.49 | ManoftheSea | It'd be nice to get it right, like EOMA is trying... |
| 00:30.08 | ManoftheSea | But let's not wish for the R-Pi to fail. |
| 00:35.16 | A2Sheds | no, it all adds up |
| 00:35.29 | A2Sheds | I wish there were more projects |
| 00:59.29 | ManoftheSea | oh, there's smart card support on the chip? |
| 00:59.32 | ManoftheSea | SWEET. |
| 01:06.33 | ManoftheSea | opportunistic encryption ++ |
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| 02:06.19 | hipboi | hi |
| 02:06.27 | hipboi | where can i see the chat log? |
| 02:06.56 | hipboi | in case i missed something when i am not online |
| 02:15.06 | ManoftheSea | do we have one of those? |
| 02:15.15 | ManoftheSea | does the bot keep record? |
| 02:15.28 | ManoftheSea | ibot: help |
| 02:15.44 | hipboi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.29 | ManoftheSea | doesn't seem to have a log function. |
| 02:19.36 | hipboi | i think tzafrir_laptop knows it |
| 02:20.05 | hipboi | i remembered he seemed mentioned the log. |
| 02:27.29 | A2Sheds | hipboi: I can email you the past week, I rarely leave IRC |
| 02:55.24 | ManoftheSea | hipboi: are you Tom? |
| 02:57.19 | ManoftheSea | I had a question about the chip speed. The kernel source seems to say it's limited to 1.008 GHz. |
| 03:12.38 | hipboi | ManoftheSea: yes, i'm tom |
| 03:13.07 | hipboi | A2Sheds: good, thank you |
| 03:13.58 | hipboi | ManoftheSea: it's unstable if the speed goes faster |
| 03:20.31 | ManoftheSea | even at higher voltage? |
| 03:20.46 | ManoftheSea | I see there's a table for multipliers up to 1.48 GHz |
| 03:21.25 | ManoftheSea | while the vdd only goes up to 1.056 |
| 03:21.42 | ManoftheSea | er, 1.5 volts for frequency up to 1.056 GHz |
| 03:22.34 | hipboi | yes, it can go faster if the voltage is higher, just unstable |
| 03:23.27 | ManoftheSea | ok, thanks. |
| 03:51.28 | A2Sheds | at some point even with enough voltage margin in the gates between 0 and 1 plus the proper cooling, you just run out of time to get electrons from one gate to the next |
| 03:53.49 | A2Sheds | ARM designed the core and the fab follows the standard rules, but AMD and esp Intel optimize their layouts so liquid helium cooling allows for 2-3x room temp core speeds |
| 03:54.38 | A2Sheds | not sure what the A10 could be pushed to even with 2 volts @core and super cooling |
| 03:55.29 | A2Sheds | 1.5-1.6GHz might be it |
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| 08:59.09 | mnemoc | wee... my a10 based tablet is arriving today |
| 09:00.21 | mnemoc | hipboi: irc logs live at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook/ |
| 09:01.55 | hipboi | mnemoc: good, got it |
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| 12:01.38 | ManoftheSea | A2Sheds: I'm not sure how it's even at 1.5. |
| 12:02.06 | ManoftheSea | If it's unstable above 1 GHz, we should call it a 1GHz chip. |
| 12:08.23 | mnemoc | hahaha... the a10-based tablet I just received came rooted :D |
| 12:12.01 | mnemoc | i wish all manufacturers did the same |
| 12:13.20 | mnemoc | no superuser preinstalled but an xbin/su there for anyone wanting to get naughty |
| 12:20.28 | gordan | Sweet! :) |
| 12:24.05 | mnemoc | and even `adb root` works out of the box :D |
| 12:29.50 | gordan | I managed to get RHEL6 kernel to work on all of my Kirkwood devices last night. Still have that happy achievement feeling. :) |
| 12:30.23 | mnemoc | gordan: kudos! :) |
| 12:30.49 | gordan | With a bit of luck I might even be able to get the Toshiba AC100 (Tegra2) support patched in. |
| 12:30.55 | mnemoc | how many have you ported already? |
| 12:31.06 | gordan | How many what? |
| 12:31.27 | mnemoc | socs |
| 12:32.02 | gordan | Using RHEL6 kernel sources with minimal patching? 1. |
| 12:32.27 | gordan | I wasn't even sure that'd be workable due to the extensive patching that RHEL apply. |
| 12:33.13 | gordan | But Kirkwood support has been in mainline since before 2.6.32 and RH's partial primary-arch-only cherry-picked patching hasn't completely broken it. |
| 12:33.37 | gordan | Toshiba released the GPL sources for 2.6.32, since A2.2 was based on it. |
| 12:34.13 | gordan | So I might be able to generate a patch out of that against the vanilla kernel and get it patched into the RHEL6 kernek. |
| 12:34.18 | gordan | kernel even |
| 12:34.53 | gordan | In a way, the fact that RH's patching is so primary-centric, the chances are that non-primary arch subtree components are fairly clean. |
| 12:35.04 | mnemoc | I'm running .39 in my adam (also tegra2) |
| 12:35.05 | gordan | Which makes patching in this stuff distinctly plausible. |
| 12:35.29 | gordan | In run 2.6.38.8 on my AC100. |
| 12:35.38 | mnemoc | :) |
| 12:35.40 | gordan | Based on the ChromeOS kernel. |
| 12:35.48 | mnemoc | nice |
| 12:36.33 | gordan | The reason ChromeOS kernel was picked for the AC100 was because it already had a lot of stuff fixed in it that were relatively Tegra2/AC100 specific. |
| 12:37.07 | gordan | If all else failed, I was going to make some rpms out of that 2.6.38 kernel. |
| 12:37.23 | gordan | Instead of using RHEL6 sources with extra patches. |
| 12:37.37 | gordan | But we'll see how it goes. |
| 12:38.13 | gordan | There will inevitably be a LOT of SoCs on my distro that use different kernels to RHEL6. |
| 12:38.47 | gordan | Backporting it all to the RHEL6 kernel tree just isn't a workable plan. |
| 12:38.49 | mnemoc | but everything else is generic armv7? |
| 12:39.14 | gordan | On what? AC100? |
| 12:39.23 | mnemoc | on your distro |
| 12:39.29 | mnemoc | your plan I mean |
| 12:39.32 | gordan | armv5tel |
| 12:39.40 | mnemoc | ok |
| 12:39.57 | gordan | Kirkwood is armv5tel, and I definitely need to support that. |
| 12:40.09 | mnemoc | ic |
| 12:40.18 | gordan | And the performance improvement from building for armv7l is negligible. |
| 12:40.56 | gordan | Hard-float would potentially make a worthwhile difference if you use a lot of floating point stuff, but that's still too experimental. |
| 12:41.16 | gordan | Even Fedora hasn't yet got a stable arm hf release. |
| 12:41.36 | gordan | And back-porting all of the patches required for hf would be a massive job. |
| 12:42.14 | gordan | So - maybe when RHEL7 comes along. Certainly not now. |
| 12:43.47 | mnemoc | nods |
| 12:46.30 | mnemoc | hipboi: is "boxchip" an old name of allwinner? |
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| 14:49.09 | A2Sheds | nice press for Luke |
| 14:50.56 | A2Sheds | we have to get the EOMA modules out from behind the Pi, people icluding slashdot keep on comparing them to the Pi |
| 14:51.11 | A2Sheds | where it's not like the Pi concept at all |
| 14:52.45 | A2Sheds | the Pi is a clumsy board with no expansion except for spaghetti dongles |
| 14:53.46 | mnemoc | when will the first alpha boards be built? |
| 14:54.04 | A2Sheds | after Chinese New year |
| 14:54.31 | A2Sheds | hopefully as soon as I can get them gerbers and assembly files |
| 14:54.56 | mnemoc | :) |
| 14:55.29 | mnemoc | do you know if luke got any feedback regarding the devkits? |
| 15:02.50 | A2Sheds | haven't heard, just barely starting the day here |
| 15:03.33 | mnemoc | :) |
| 15:48.25 | mnemoc | mental note: before sure you don't have other devices connected before making statements about `adb` support in another |
| 15:48.47 | mnemoc | s/before/be/ |
| 15:51.50 | mnemoc | hipboi_: do you have english documentation about using this frelling "pheanixUSBpro" tool for flashing a10 based devices? |
| 15:52.04 | mnemoc | PhoenixUSBPro |
| 19:07.36 | mnemoc | btw, jdownloader knows to get files (and autoresume!) from 115.com where people seems to like to store A10 related downloads |
| 19:08.58 | mnemoc | very useful when downloading the *censored* rar files at 1KB/s |
| 20:47.33 | ManoftheSea | nihao |
| 20:50.39 | mnemoc | nihao ManoftheSea |
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| 22:16.08 | ManoftheSea | lkcl: around? |
| 22:16.19 | ManoftheSea | there's a bug on the AXP209 board. |
| 22:16.35 | lkcl | yep. am watching a film |
| 22:16.38 | ManoftheSea | or I'll just post to the page. |
| 22:16.42 | lkcl | ah is there? deep joy. |
| 22:16.45 | lkcl | yes please. |
| 22:16.57 | lkcl | thanks for checking. |
| 22:17.34 | lkcl | i found one on the ethernet board. capacitor component. |
| 22:22.55 | ManoftheSea | yeah, it's c17 on power. |
| 22:22.59 | ManoftheSea | I'll just commit this back |
| 22:25.28 | ManoftheSea | It tells me I'm missing libraried. |
| 22:25.33 | ManoftheSea | libraries, even. |
| 22:26.14 | ManoftheSea | usb_a_plug, mini_usb_b, and 8_10-card. |
| 22:26.27 | ManoftheSea | BTW, there's an INSTALL.txt, it says to make files in a directory. |
| 22:26.58 | ManoftheSea | there are no files in pcb/kicad-libs |
| 22:27.27 | lkcl | yes it's a separate git repository, use git modules sync |
| 22:27.28 | lkcl | i think |
| 22:27.30 | lkcl | sorry |
| 22:27.57 | ManoftheSea | "modules is not a git command" |
| 22:28.02 | ManoftheSea | I don't know git well... |
| 22:28.09 | lkcl | 1sec... |
| 22:28.40 | lkcl | git submodule sync |
| 22:28.40 | lkcl | sorry |
| 22:29.15 | lkcl | or probably git submodule update |
| 22:29.23 | ManoftheSea | hmm, it said it synced pcb/kicad-libs. I then tried to pull again, but still no files. |
| 22:29.26 | ManoftheSea | update? |
| 22:29.27 | ManoftheSea | will try |
| 22:29.39 | lkcl | git submodule --help |
| 22:29.40 | ManoftheSea | cloning into |
| 22:29.51 | lkcl | yaay |
| 22:30.00 | ManoftheSea | hold on there... |
| 22:30.10 | ManoftheSea | reference is not a tree... <hash> |
| 22:31.14 | lkcl | ok try git submodule init |
| 22:32.17 | ManoftheSea | did you modify the submodule? |
| 22:32.21 | lkcl | that should read what's in .gitmodule and copy it into your local .git/config |
| 22:32.32 | ManoftheSea | I have files now... |
| 22:32.33 | lkcl | no because that's Bad. |
| 22:32.36 | lkcl | good stuff |
| 22:32.45 | lkcl | ok so now you will need fped |
| 22:32.52 | ManoftheSea | In pcb/kicad-libs, I "git reset --hard" and "git pull" |
| 22:33.20 | ManoftheSea | well, it was after the init, so maybe that was the difference. I have fped. I'll make. |
| 22:34.15 | ManoftheSea | alright, no error. |
| 22:34.16 | ManoftheSea | Thanks |
| 22:35.39 | lkcl | cool. btw there are other locations where modules need to be generated, i'll put in some Makefile infrastructure |
| 22:38.38 | ManoftheSea | I note there's a global label LDO1, and then there's a label LDO1 |
| 22:38.44 | ManoftheSea | They don't have to both be global? |
| 22:39.05 | lkcl | no idea but best to make them both global |
| 22:40.15 | lkcl | do a git pull i just added some Makefiles |
| 22:41.06 | ManoftheSea | ok. There's also a label VCCIO. It's the Voltage on the pull-up for the I2C |
| 22:41.29 | ManoftheSea | It should be tied to something, do you know what? |
| 22:42.03 | lkcl | not yet - i haven't done the power infrastructure, at all. |
| 22:42.19 | lkcl | there's lots of disparate signals etc. because they're from different datasheets. |
| 22:42.25 | lkcl | and various sources. |
| 22:42.30 | ManoftheSea | yeah, and I understand that'll happen. |
| 22:42.42 | lkcl | ben nanonote, openmoko gta02, a datasheet here, a datasheet there... :) |
| 22:43.03 | ManoftheSea | I enjoyed my nanonote, though I never did anything with it. |
| 22:43.13 | ManoftheSea | I figure, the best use of it was for my crypto-keys |
| 22:43.26 | ManoftheSea | Since it has a hell of a time connecting to anything. |
| 22:43.29 | lkcl | wow, you actually got one? cool |
| 22:44.04 | ManoftheSea | now if only I could remember my key-password. |
| 22:44.08 | ManoftheSea | It's Secure! |
| 22:44.13 | lkcl | *lol* |
| 22:45.28 | lkcl | something bizarre going on.... |
| 22:45.39 | lkcl | git on hands.com appears to have locked up |
| 22:46.32 | ManoftheSea | It's always been slow for me. |
| 22:46.41 | ManoftheSea | What, pray tell, is a 0 Ohm resister? |
| 22:46.44 | ManoftheSea | resistor. |
| 22:46.51 | ManoftheSea | why even label it? |
| 22:46.56 | lkcl | don't ask me! |
| 22:47.53 | lkcl | yeah but there's slow and then there's 3 mins delay on something that should take 5-10 seconds |
| 22:50.21 | lkcl | 27% packet loss on 84 pings, that's not too hot |
| 22:51.31 | ManoftheSea | no, that isnt'. |
| 22:51.46 | ManoftheSea | So, I looked over the rest of the AXP schema, looks good. |
| 22:51.56 | ManoftheSea | There's a Li Batt input that I question. |
| 22:52.28 | ManoftheSea | looks like just a pin, labeled +batt |
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| 22:53.47 | lkcl_ | sorry had to restart my network router |
| 22:57.07 | ManoftheSea | lkcl: the cpu-card won't have a li-ion battery onboard, right? |
| 22:57.23 | lkcl | don't know yet - maybe! |
| 22:57.34 | lkcl | not a very big one, anyway. |
| 22:57.37 | ManoftheSea | small. |
| 22:57.38 | ManoftheSea | yeah. |
| 22:58.01 | ManoftheSea | is, uh... EOMA/PCMCIA hot-swappable? |
| 22:58.04 | lkcl | but there's definitely got to be some sort of infrastructure for plugging in a big battery (without the case one) |
| 22:58.20 | lkcl | welll... i kinda thought about it :) |
| 22:58.31 | ManoftheSea | how would it detect? |
| 22:58.47 | ManoftheSea | would you poll the I2C? |
| 22:58.56 | lkcl | hmm... yeah.... |
| 22:59.04 | lkcl | or just "eek, the power's gone" |
| 22:59.20 | ManoftheSea | well, that's not what I think of with "hot-swap" |
| 22:59.31 | ManoftheSea | though, if you have a small on-board reserve... |
| 22:59.35 | lkcl | hehe |
| 22:59.58 | lkcl | yes, that had vaguely occurred to us. enough power for 30 seconds.... |
| 23:02.17 | ManoftheSea | So... if you've got a laptop, it'll have a battery and it's own power regulator chip, right? |
| 23:02.25 | ManoftheSea | But that should ALSO be managed by the cpu-card? |
| 23:02.54 | lkcl | thinks... yes, and yes. |
| 23:03.03 | lkcl | oh right i see what you mean. yes, I2C. |
| 23:04.16 | ManoftheSea | Hmm, I think I'd prefer to warm-swap. |
| 23:04.23 | ManoftheSea | To hibernate, then swap. |
| 23:04.52 | ManoftheSea | though... you wouldn't be able to use the same device tree, given that it'd change. |
| 23:05.12 | lkcl | yeah, that's gonna be fun. |
| 23:22.17 | ManoftheSea | is IPSOUT the "Internal Power Supply out"? As in, the V_IN for the rest of the board? |
| 23:33.03 | lkcl | IPSOUT i think is... hang on lemme look at the datasheet |
| 23:33.44 | lkcl | it's the main battery |
| 23:34.20 | ManoftheSea | hmm? no! The batt goes in to BAT. IPSOUT is just below that. |
| 23:34.37 | ManoftheSea | and IPSOUT connects to just about every other VIN on the AXP |
| 23:36.24 | ManoftheSea | yeah, I see what you're reading. |
| 23:37.01 | ManoftheSea | that doesn't quite make sense... |
| 23:37.31 | ManoftheSea | BAT is "sys power source", ACIN is "adapter input", and there's a backup battery for something. |
| 23:37.51 | lkcl | the IPSOUT connection is to sense what's going on |
| 23:38.20 | lkcl | or something |
| 23:38.39 | ManoftheSea | look at page 14 |
| 23:38.42 | ManoftheSea | it's an output |
| 23:38.53 | ManoftheSea | It's gotta be the regulated power out from the chip. |
| 23:39.41 | lkcl | and it's connected to LDOIN1,2,3,4 |
| 23:40.32 | ManoftheSea | yeah, rather than internal connections. |
| 23:41.30 | lkcl | ok page 12, section 7 |
| 23:41.36 | lkcl | num 6 N_VBUSEN |
| 23:41.53 | lkcl | if N_VBUSEN is high, VBUS is routed to IPSOUT |
| 23:42.03 | lkcl | if low, it's not. |
| 23:42.06 | ManoftheSea | oop, there's a nother label missing, on BATSENSE |
| 23:46.11 | lkcl | whoops |
| 23:46.27 | ManoftheSea | well, VBUS is the power from another USB device |
| 23:46.53 | ManoftheSea | so, is the enable pin there saying "use it to charge from" or just "use it for the system" ? |
| 23:47.08 | ManoftheSea | I've added the label to the git tree. |
| 23:48.28 | ManoftheSea | so, it sounds like VHOST, from USB-OTG, should connect to VBUS |
| 23:48.34 | ManoftheSea | wait, what's USB-Power? |
| 23:49.04 | ManoftheSea | ah, that's if the cpu-card IS the host? |
| 23:53.47 | lkcl | what, the sheet named usb-power? that was cut/paste from gta02 - i'm not sure if it's going to be needed. |