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| 00:49.30 | jasta | blech |
| 00:49.33 | jasta | i don't feel like coding today |
| 00:50.57 | jasta | but i'm gonna, sigh ;) |
| 00:51.57 | f00f- | i havent coded in ages |
| 00:52.02 | f00f- | i dont see any hits, either |
| 00:52.19 | jasta | i've seen quite a lot of activity on my server in the last week |
| 00:53.02 | jasta | my project has a really long way to go before it's ready for launch, though. i just have to keep working. |
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| 01:17.18 | michaelnovakjr | same here |
| 01:17.26 | michaelnovakjr | i have lots to code |
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| 01:20.16 | duey | my apps been judged |
| 01:20.20 | duey | 100% i think |
| 01:20.27 | duey | 5 visits |
| 01:20.39 | duey | they did it pretty quick |
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| 01:23.40 | f00f- | :( |
| 01:24.02 | jasta | perhaps yours broke? |
| 01:24.14 | jasta | or maybe you got stuck in a panel of lazy judges :) |
| 01:24.22 | f00f- | i hope the latter |
| 01:24.27 | f00f- | there are still some days |
| 01:24.29 | Dougie187 | is yours done jasta? |
| 01:24.36 | jasta | Dougie187: no, only 2 have connected |
| 01:24.45 | Dougie187 | well hopefully soon. |
| 01:26.19 | jasta | they have a week and so far it looks like they've made a lot of progress through most apps |
| 01:26.45 | Dougie187 | thats cool. |
| 01:26.53 | michaelnovakjr | anyone releasing another apk version monday? |
| 01:27.27 | jasta | i'm hoping to release source around then :) |
| 01:27.29 | jasta | probably that weekend |
| 01:27.53 | Dougie187 | Already? |
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| 01:28.12 | jasta | why not? |
| 01:28.21 | michaelnovakjr | i am planning for a release of an updated version, to include better timezone support and to add more flavor to the audible warning system. |
| 01:28.22 | Dougie187 | I didnt know you were ready to open it. |
| 01:28.32 | jasta | i'm not really, but i will anyway. |
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| 01:29.04 | jasta | since i released to the ADC, i have been doing little usability improvements all over. adding a server GUI, real configuration, etc. |
| 01:29.09 | jasta | but i'm not finished yet |
| 01:29.21 | jasta | if i don't finish by next weekend, meh, i'll just release quietly and keep working |
| 01:29.38 | Dougie187 | heh |
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| 01:30.05 | Dougie187 | well im out for now. talk to you all later |
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| 01:30.07 | jasta | i'm starting to see that i will need contributors in order to meet some of my targets for this project. |
| 01:30.40 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, let me know when you want the OS X and Win GUIs |
| 01:30.50 | jasta | oh trust me, i will ;0 |
| 01:30.55 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 01:31.07 | jasta | what i want to do first, in order to make that task easier, is have the GNOME UI fully built. |
| 01:31.16 | jasta | so that i can just say "here, make it do this" :) |
| 01:31.24 | michaelnovakjr | good point |
| 01:31.32 | michaelnovakjr | the UIs should resemble each other |
| 01:31.40 | jasta | yes, where sensible. |
| 01:31.54 | jasta | the biggest difference between the GNOME and Windows versions as I see it are the installation process. |
| 01:32.00 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 01:32.09 | jasta | is the* |
| 01:32.24 | jasta | windows users will expect a GUI installer and all that jazz, with an auto-update feature of sorts. |
| 01:32.35 | michaelnovakjr | spoiled |
| 01:32.37 | jasta | and like a goofy setup wizard maybe |
| 01:32.59 | jasta | the GNOME UI will probably have a setup wizard too though. maybe, i don't know. |
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| 01:33.20 | michaelnovakjr | it would help to have a nifty wizard for the initial setup |
| 01:33.42 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: yeah, basically i think the program will need to harrass the user to setup a last.fm account and such. |
| 01:34.10 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, totally... i think users would appreciate the hand holding in this case |
| 01:34.12 | jasta | you don't need one, actually, but i think it makes the whole thing better |
| 01:34.15 | michaelnovakjr | its something new to them |
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| 01:34.57 | michaelnovakjr | plus its not the main attraction :) so they won't really care much for it..... just the phone |
| 01:35.27 | jasta | what i'd eventually like to see is a way for the user to install the app to their phone during the same process |
| 01:35.39 | michaelnovakjr | that would be nice |
| 01:36.00 | jasta | like, if the user is plugged into the computer just install it. otherwise, the server could actually host the apk :) |
| 01:36.16 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 01:36.30 | jasta | these are challenges i intend to ignore for now though. we'll just have to see how the platform expands. |
| 01:38.13 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 01:39.31 | jasta | i'm hoping to have the server stuff pretty ironed out within the next couple of weeks so i can concrete the rest of my time on the phone part. |
| 01:41.44 | michaelnovakjr | the phone is the important part :) |
| 01:42.07 | jasta | well, kinda ;0 |
| 01:42.19 | jasta | i mean, the server is what contains all of the difficult problems to solv e;) |
| 01:42.34 | jasta | but the phone portion is still quite a bit more time consuming |
| 01:42.45 | jasta | tweaking UIs, optimization, learning Android, yada yada |
| 01:42.47 | michaelnovakjr | true, but users aren't plugging headphones into the server :) |
| 01:42.54 | michaelnovakjr | yada yada! |
| 01:46.11 | jasta | there's so much hideous stuff in the Android code so far. |
| 01:46.15 | jasta | just beacuse it was a learning effort for me |
| 01:46.22 | jasta | and i had a really stressful time constraint ;) |
| 01:46.40 | michaelnovakjr | i'm sure lots of code isn't 'pretty' |
| 01:46.42 | jasta | but i'm still comfortable releasing it, just with a disclaimer that a good portion of it will need to be torn up |
| 01:46.48 | michaelnovakjr | i know parts of mine need a makeover |
| 01:47.18 | jasta | my project was just so huge. i had no choice but to cowboy code my way through large parts of it |
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| 01:49.31 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 01:53.02 | jasta | it's over 20K loc now hehe |
| 01:53.08 | michaelnovakjr | god bless gmt |
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| 02:08.33 | jjt009 | hey dudes |
| 02:08.43 | jjt009 | jasta: you got any logs this week |
| 02:08.59 | jasta | not since the weekend |
| 02:09.07 | jjt009 | yeah, same here |
| 02:09.29 | jjt009 | so i guess we'll be judged this week only if we're in the top 100... |
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| 02:10.08 | f00f- | is the judging random? |
| 02:10.11 | jasta | jjt009: why would you come to that conclusion? |
| 02:10.21 | jjt009 | well, that's what it says on the faq |
| 02:10.21 | f00f- | i submitted my first app with 1 week to go to deadline |
| 02:10.28 | jasta | jjt009: where? |
| 02:10.42 | jjt009 | basically, the judges boil the down the apps to the top 100 |
| 02:10.51 | jasta | i dont remember reading that |
| 02:10.51 | jjt009 | then a new panel of judges rates those 100 apps |
| 02:10.58 | jjt009 | hold on |
| 02:10.59 | jjt009 | let me link |
| 02:11.06 | f00f- | well yeah 3-4 rotations |
| 02:11.41 | jjt009 | http://code.google.com/android/adc_judging.html |
| 02:11.51 | jjt009 | read section Phase 2 Judging |
| 02:11.52 | jasta | oh yeah, i did read this |
| 02:11.53 | jasta | i just forgot |
| 02:12.21 | jjt009 | f00f-: you got any accesses this week? |
| 02:12.31 | f00f- | jjt009: nothing yet |
| 02:13.20 | f00f- | i hope there isn't a HTTP_GET_REQUEST permission i needed to add |
| 02:13.32 | jjt009 | nope |
| 02:13.38 | jjt009 | my code works without it |
| 02:14.03 | jjt009 | i'm scraping data from google maps and some other gps sites |
| 02:14.06 | jjt009 | works fine |
| 02:14.35 | f00f- | so how many hits have you received? |
| 02:14.41 | jjt009 | two |
| 02:15.01 | jjt009 | but my server was down for about 1 day last week |
| 02:15.06 | jjt009 | so it may have been more |
| 02:15.13 | jjt009 | you? |
| 02:15.16 | f00f- | when did you submit your first version? |
| 02:15.23 | jjt009 | 14th |
| 02:15.26 | jjt009 | close to midnight |
| 02:15.29 | f00f- | hm |
| 02:15.34 | f00f- | i have not received any hits |
| 02:15.43 | jjt009 | to your server? |
| 02:15.47 | f00f- | right |
| 02:15.58 | jjt009 | there must be some bug in your code |
| 02:16.12 | jjt009 | or you have some really lazy judges |
| 02:16.39 | jjt009 | the code from your on-device app, i mean |
| 02:16.40 | f00f- | i do hope i submitted the right version |
| 02:16.42 | f00f- | but i triple-checked it |
| 02:17.03 | jjt009 | you tested to make sure the networking components of the app worked? |
| 02:17.33 | f00f- | every time the app start up, it does an HTTP GET |
| 02:17.55 | f00f- | even if there was no network access, it would fall back to a cached version of the data for judging |
| 02:18.12 | f00f- | but i assume judges have some sort of internet connectivity |
| 02:18.16 | jjt009 | so then you're probably fine |
| 02:18.20 | jjt009 | yes, they all do |
| 02:18.40 | jjt009 | or they should |
| 02:18.47 | jjt009 | google mailed all the judges laptops to use |
| 02:19.16 | jasta | f00f-: have you tested your own APK recently? |
| 02:19.32 | jasta | to amek sure your server isn't stoned? |
| 02:21.36 | f00f- | the apache server has been sailing smoothly for months |
| 02:21.40 | f00f- | maybe i'm just at the end of the judging pack :) |
| 02:22.22 | jasta | f00f-: ...but you hadn't tested the apk you sent to them? |
| 02:22.32 | jasta | ...maybe you should pull it out just to be sure? :) |
| 02:22.56 | f00f- | jasta: of course i did... i think |
| 02:22.58 | f00f- | when i had a good version |
| 02:23.09 | f00f- | i just went to bin/ and uploaded the .apk |
| 02:23.12 | jasta | you didn't archive the version you sent to the judges? dude. |
| 02:23.35 | jjt009 | dude. |
| 02:23.37 | jjt009 | hahah |
| 02:23.58 | f00f- | what, was that incorrect? |
| 02:24.37 | jjt009 | no, i was laughing at what jasta said |
| 02:24.52 | jjt009 | don't sweat it man, you'll be fine |
| 02:25.07 | jasta | btw f00f-, i haven't forgotten that you literally guaranteed us you would win the qualifying round ;) |
| 02:25.21 | f00f- | jasta: i didn't archive the actual .apk, but i can recover the exact .apk since everything is in SVN |
| 02:25.25 | jjt009 | jasta: did you? |
| 02:25.35 | jasta | jjt009: no, that would be a foolish thing to say. |
| 02:25.36 | jjt009 | f00f-: you open source? |
| 02:25.40 | f00f- | no |
| 02:25.46 | jjt009 | oh ok |
| 02:25.54 | jjt009 | jasta: i agree |
| 02:26.28 | jjt009 | f00f-: so what about your app gives you the confidence to say that? |
| 02:26.46 | jasta | jjt009: it's not his app that gave him the confidence :) |
| 02:27.04 | jjt009 | hm? |
| 02:27.15 | f00f- | well, i dont know if i would say 'guarantee' but i think i had a novel LBS concept |
| 02:27.29 | jasta | f00f-: i do know that you would say guarantee, because you did. |
| 02:27.30 | f00f- | had and still have |
| 02:27.37 | f00f- | lol |
| 02:27.39 | jasta | i saved the log. |
| 02:27.47 | f00f- | okay, so i'm crossing my fingers and hoping for the best :) |
| 02:27.49 | jasta | just because it tickled me so much :) |
| 02:28.07 | jjt009 | pednav? |
| 02:28.09 | jasta | that's an unusual guarantee. |
| 02:28.24 | f00f- | well now that i've seen so many high-caliber submissions, i feel less confident, for sure |
| 02:28.36 | f00f- | jjt009: yes |
| 02:28.48 | jjt009 | you the found of routeme? |
| 02:29.07 | f00f- | jjt009: co-founder |
| 02:29.19 | jjt009 | that's cool |
| 02:29.49 | jasta | i do like the basic premise of your app f00f. |
| 02:29.49 | jjt009 | itinerary? |
| 02:30.01 | f00f- | if we don't win this one, it'll push us even further for ADC II, since bluetooth should be officially supported and we'll have actual handsets |
| 02:30.03 | jasta | but have you shown any details of the its implementation? |
| 02:30.18 | jjt009 | why should he? |
| 02:30.36 | jasta | ADC-II will be intense. a *LOT* more development time. |
| 02:31.30 | jasta | i'm gonna write my app either way. so if i miss ADC-I, i'll happily submit my mature, polished app to ADC-II :) |
| 02:31.44 | jjt009 | i'm starting from scratch if i lose |
| 02:31.48 | jjt009 | new idea |
| 02:32.08 | jjt009 | f00f-: where did you get all your data? |
| 02:32.26 | f00f- | jjt009: nearby places data is from Yelp |
| 02:32.49 | f00f- | and we made our own GTFS data set for some scheduling things |
| 02:32.56 | jjt009 | not bad |
| 02:33.05 | jjt009 | looks interesting |
| 02:33.34 | f00f- | hopefully i can throw together a screencast some day soon :P |
| 02:33.48 | jasta | i had wanted to produce a video of mine as well but i for some reason never did |
| 02:33.54 | jasta | i guess i just got burnt out |
| 02:34.02 | jasta | this ADC thing was exhausting for me |
| 02:34.07 | f00f- | well, there's always the desire to polish it up endlessly :) |
| 02:34.09 | jjt009 | does the itinerary allow for flexibility? |
| 02:34.26 | jjt009 | e.g. different times to finish lunch, etc. |
| 02:34.33 | jjt009 | dynamic re-routing? |
| 02:34.44 | f00f- | it allows you to specify, but it's not real-time right now since all our data sources are static |
| 02:34.53 | f00f- | but yes, definitely dynamic is on the TODO list :) |
| 02:35.01 | jjt009 | neat |
| 02:35.20 | jjt009 | factor in cost, etc. |
| 02:35.32 | jjt009 | for example, i don't want to go to a very expensive restaurant |
| 02:35.34 | jjt009 | ? |
| 02:35.57 | jjt009 | it seems like you could add a lot of other data sets to the picture |
| 02:36.04 | f00f- | right, and that's available in the Yelp data |
| 02:36.10 | f00f- | $$$$ as well as ratings, # of reviews, etc. |
| 02:36.24 | f00f- | yep, definitely |
| 02:36.24 | jjt009 | cool |
| 02:36.38 | f00f- | it may seem like a broad goal, but we want you to be able to plan a day trip using this app |
| 02:36.45 | f00f- | perhaps useful for tourists, but also people out and about |
| 02:36.57 | jjt009 | yeah, i could definitely see myself using it |
| 02:37.02 | f00f- | currently Yelp is the most comprehensive generic data set |
| 02:37.08 | jjt009 | you thinking about open sourcing it? |
| 02:37.29 | f00f- | well, we have commercial intentions for now :( |
| 02:37.34 | f00f- | we'll see if anything pans out though |
| 02:38.11 | f00f- | this yelp-stuff is kind of 'secondary' to the main idea, i would say |
| 02:38.33 | f00f- | so anyone could clone that, and i'm people have |
| 02:38.37 | jjt009 | right |
| 02:38.38 | f00f- | +sure |
| 02:39.27 | jjt009 | i've got to finish some hw |
| 02:39.31 | jjt009 | nice talking to you |
| 02:39.33 | jjt009 | good luck |
| 02:39.35 | f00f- | enjoy, work hard |
| 02:39.38 | f00f- | thx, you too |
| 02:40.45 | f00f- | wow |
| 02:40.45 | f00f- | TeeDroid seems interesting |
| 02:40.56 | f00f- | i dont play golf, but from what i've heard |
| 02:41.24 | f00f- | golfers spend a lot on equipment and products to improve their game |
| 02:42.02 | f00f- | something like this could blow all the commercial personal-golf-coach products out of the water |
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| 05:47.36 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: i just had an interesting idea |
| 05:48.01 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: what if i design the UI like Google Desktop? where the server hosts an internal HTTP server and lets you config it through a web browser? |
| 05:48.14 | jasta | that way, the only platform-specific UI component would be the tray icon itself. |
| 05:48.39 | duey | jasta, thats a good idea |
| 05:50.47 | jasta | yeah, it would simplify a lot |
| 05:51.04 | jasta | and i don't think it really loses anything by that design |
| 05:51.44 | jasta | The server already, as part of its basic operation, includes a robust HTTP server (provided by libsoup) |
| 05:52.38 | jasta | so all i'd need to do is have libsoup bind two separate instances, one listening only on the local interface, and the other on all other interfaces |
| 05:59.27 | f00f- | is this your audio syncing server that user will install on their machine? |
| 05:59.37 | jasta | yes |
| 06:00.36 | f00f- | you're writing it in Python ? |
| 06:00.44 | jasta | no, it's all in C. |
| 06:00.58 | jasta | why would you assume python? |
| 06:01.12 | f00f- | oh ok |
| 06:01.22 | f00f- | not sure, seems cross-platform friendly wrt C |
| 06:01.45 | f00f- | once i worked on a VPN client and the configuration was done through a web browser |
| 06:01.55 | jasta | C is quite a bit more portable than Python, really. |
| 06:02.10 | f00f- | we had a small web server in C that just had a tray icon that would launch web browser on localhost |
| 06:02.14 | f00f- | it reduced a lot of x-platform GUI code |
| 06:04.03 | jasta | my only concern is that this type of coding might be end up really lame in C |
| 06:04.36 | duey | jasta, oh it will be |
| 06:05.06 | jasta | though at least i have a high-level API for the HTTP server. |
| 06:05.35 | f00f- | i don't see why you would torture yourself by using C for something relatively simple |
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| 06:06.07 | duey | java would work well |
| 06:06.12 | jasta | well because embedding python would substantially increase the build and distribution complexity. |
| 06:06.13 | duey | can use simpl |
| 06:06.14 | f00f- | scan fs, read tags, send out wbxml, simple gui, etc. |
| 06:06.15 | jasta | same with java. |
| 06:06.25 | duey | just assume people have java |
| 06:06.29 | f00f- | official bittorrent client is in python |
| 06:06.42 | jasta | even assuming they have it you still have to figure out where it is and how to utilize it. |
| 06:06.42 | duey | yeah i think python distriubtion is light |
| 06:08.25 | jasta | i'd prefer to torture myself with C than torture myself with the distribution of this multi-language, multi-platform tool :) |
| 06:08.53 | jasta | even writing it in Python, you'd still have to do a bunch of work to write separate UIs for each platform. |
| 06:09.04 | duey | ? |
| 06:09.13 | jasta | and using Java, you'd either require Java 6 or a bunch of extra lame crud. |
| 06:09.29 | duey | pythons UI toolkit is cross platform i tihnk |
| 06:10.10 | jasta | i don't think python _has_ a UI toolkit, only ports of native ones. |
| 06:10.23 | duey | http://wiki.python.org/moin/GuiProgramming |
| 06:10.44 | f00f- | java 1.4.2 is all you need |
| 06:10.45 | jasta | most of these look like shit? |
| 06:10.51 | duey | PyQt |
| 06:11.11 | duey | or some Wx one |
| 06:11.27 | f00f- | wx uses native widgets i thought? |
| 06:11.29 | jasta | None of these would be a good option. |
| 06:11.35 | f00f- | SWT definitely does (for java) |
| 06:11.40 | jasta | wx sucks to program against, too. |
| 06:11.49 | duey | kw/e use c |
| 06:11.57 | duey | im sure it will be much simpler |
| 06:12.21 | f00f- | nah, you gotta do it in win32 assembly then |
| 06:12.38 | duey | oh true |
| 06:12.42 | duey | cant make it to easy |
| 06:13.13 | jasta | f00f-: i thought prior to Java 6 you could not create a system tray icon with the standard runtime? |
| 06:13.44 | f00f- | well SWT includes native bindings so it has support for creating tray icon |
| 06:14.01 | jasta | if you create the native bindings, of course. |
| 06:14.05 | f00f- | but if you dont use a native binding like SWT, then yeah, probably |
| 06:14.18 | f00f- | SWT is already there |
| 06:14.20 | f00f- | org.eclipse.swt.* |
| 06:14.43 | f00f- | you just need to bundle the *.so and *.dll with your jar files |
| 06:14.49 | jasta | that's my point: none of these solutions are any more cross-platform. the simplest solution looks like just a web server. |
| 06:14.56 | f00f- | and it'll pick the appopriate one at runtime based on host OS/platform |
| 06:15.02 | duey | jasta, it is |
| 06:15.15 | duey | i thought you just wanted a gui for the toolbar icon |
| 06:15.22 | jasta | written in C, with #ifdef'd bits for the small platform-specific UI code. |
| 06:15.47 | jasta | i know that would port at least well to Windows. |
| 06:16.10 | jasta | duey: yeah, but for that i'm fine implementing it natively for at least Linux, OS X, and Windows. |
| 06:16.19 | jasta | since it would be really very little code. |
| 06:16.21 | duey | ohok |
| 06:16.30 | jasta | the rest of the project is written in glib, so has no problem porting to those platforms without modification |
| 06:18.29 | jasta | i actually wonder how google desktop implements this |
| 06:18.32 | jasta | what type of templating they use |
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| 06:20.59 | jasta | the string literals are compiled right into libgdl.so? wow. |
| 06:21.07 | jasta | did not see that coming ;) |
| 06:21.17 | gambler | is there channel logs for this channel stored anywhere |
| 06:21.31 | jasta | gambler: have you tried googling? otherwise, i doubt it. |
| 06:23.05 | jasta | http://code.google.com/p/google-ctemplate/ |
| 06:23.05 | jasta | interesting. |
| 06:30.40 | jasta | this might just work. will need to provide some C wrappers though |
| 06:30.58 | duey | why not just use c++... |
| 06:31.09 | jasta | because I hate C++ |
| 06:31.14 | duey | ..... |
| 06:31.16 | jasta | and there's already 6000 lines of C written in my server. |
| 06:34.13 | jasta | this project may be a bit unnecessary really |
| 06:34.22 | jasta | they seem to solve a lot of problems with it that are not that difficult to solve anyway :) |
| 06:34.30 | jasta | checks to see that their parser is at least efficient |
| 06:34.59 | jasta | bunch of goofy portability code in here that glib makes redundant |
| 06:44.40 | duey | jasta, i doubt it matters if its not efficient |
| 06:44.46 | duey | not like your getting hit millions of times |
| 06:45.43 | jasta | if i'm gonna futz with reusing their code i want to at least know that it's better than something i could whip up in a day ;) |
| 06:45.57 | jasta | it does seem to use an efficient state machine parser. i suppose i will trust it. |
| 06:46.50 | jasta | bbl |
| 06:46.55 | jasta | sleep :) |
| 06:54.14 | Hai-Fai | morning |
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| 07:53.20 | acsia | muthu: how are you doing? |
| 07:53.23 | acsia | long time no see |
| 07:53.28 | muthu | acsia: cool |
| 07:53.31 | muthu | am doing good |
| 07:53.35 | muthu | where were you? |
| 07:53.51 | muthu | i'm on this channel everyday |
| 07:54.01 | acsia | well, while working on android, I did put my real job on the side so I had to catch up a lot |
| 07:54.16 | acsia | and decide to put all android on the side |
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| 07:54.51 | muthu | how you feel about your app? |
| 07:57.35 | acsia | not sure anymore... |
| 07:57.38 | acsia | :) |
| 07:57.51 | acsia | I met chomchom btw |
| 07:58.18 | acsia | in london, it was nice |
| 07:58.32 | acsia | I need to get back to my app |
| 07:58.36 | acsia | i ll do it this week end |
| 07:59.45 | duey | dday approaches |
| 08:05.21 | muthu | DDAY!! |
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| 11:08.15 | muthu | May 1 - is it an holiday everywhere? |
| 11:08.37 | ligi | muthu: i dont think everywhere |
| 11:08.41 | ligi | but here it is |
| 11:08.46 | edcba | see wikipedia |
| 11:08.47 | muthu | and here it is |
| 11:08.51 | edcba | it's written in it |
| 11:08.53 | muthu | i'm lazy, tell me |
| 11:08.59 | edcba | i don't remember |
| 11:09.02 | muthu | haha |
| 11:09.06 | ligi | lol |
| 11:09.16 | davidw | not in the US |
| 11:09.20 | davidw | in most of europe it is |
| 11:09.22 | ligi | muthu: how's this day called in India? |
| 11:09.27 | edcba | but i know it's written i checkd less than a month ago |
| 11:09.45 | muthu | ligi: May 1 is workers day |
| 11:10.02 | ligi | here it is "day of liberty |
| 11:10.06 | ligi | labour |
| 11:10.09 | ligi | i mean |
| 11:10.09 | ligi | ^^ |
| 11:10.11 | muthu | May 1 - Labour Day |
| 11:10.18 | muthu | right |
| 11:10.33 | muthu | we use different names in different states |
| 11:10.44 | muthu | davidw: not in US? |
| 11:10.49 | davidw | nope |
| 11:11.00 | muthu | hmmm |
| 11:11.13 | muthu | thought there was a labor day or something in US |
| 11:11.21 | muthu | i know there's a long weekend in May |
| 11:12.18 | muthu | May 5 is an holiday ? ;) |
| 11:13.50 | ligi | ^^ |
| 11:14.05 | ligi | depends on some judges |
| 11:14.06 | ligi | ^^ |
| 11:14.31 | muthu | haha |
| 11:14.39 | muthu | the judges will be on vacation for sure |
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| 12:23.12 | jasta | hmm, ya know |
| 12:23.30 | muthu | jasta: mornin |
| 12:23.44 | jasta | looking at my server log here, it does sort of look like there were 4 attempts to use the app but the first 2 were unsuccessful |
| 12:23.56 | muthu | oh oh |
| 12:24.03 | muthu | the last 2 is ok right? |
| 12:24.10 | jasta | there are no errors reported, they just started then disappeared. like the emulator was closed or something. |
| 12:24.22 | jasta | and the latter 2, which happened a day or two later, worked. |
| 12:24.34 | muthu | ok so only 2 judges tested |
| 12:24.53 | jasta | i'm not sure how to interpret this knowing that there are supposedly 4 judges, or 5 if you might win. |
| 12:25.10 | jasta | since this kind of indicates 2 had unsuccessful tests and therefore i didn't make it into the top 100. |
| 12:25.32 | jasta | in other words, it's looking like my app never got retested, when it doesn't look to be my fault that the first two tests failed. |
| 12:25.39 | muthu | hmm |
| 12:25.48 | muthu | they may hit again |
| 12:25.57 | jasta | yeaahhh, but what if they don't? |
| 12:26.10 | muthu | if they don't.. your app is in trouble |
| 12:26.12 | jasta | duey's reported 5 unique hits to his server already, since the judging started. |
| 12:26.32 | jasta | i'd be mighty pissed if they didn't come back and retest considering my system reports no errors. |
| 12:26.45 | muthu | i know |
| 12:26.50 | jasta | and it would, too. error reporting is part of the protocol. |
| 12:27.14 | jasta | the only way the server could not report an error in the session is if the remote peer simply disappeared, or the app crashed which has certainly happened during testing |
| 12:27.21 | jasta | like, SIGSEGV or SIGILL. not my fault. |
| 12:27.21 | muthu | i wonder what morrill has to say about this? |
| 12:27.29 | jasta | that's what i was wondering about. |
| 12:27.35 | muthu | did you im him? |
| 12:27.40 | jasta | not yet, but i will today |
| 12:27.46 | muthu | cool do that |
| 12:28.14 | ligi | jasta: everything will work out fine .. |
| 12:28.14 | jasta | i would be very pissed off if i lost because of emulator bugs or whatever. |
| 12:28.20 | ligi | just give them more time |
| 12:28.33 | ligi | easy |
| 12:28.42 | jasta | i could never explain those first two attempts until it occurred to me just now |
| 12:28.53 | jasta | that there are 4 total, 2 of which went nowhere. |
| 12:29.18 | muthu | if the judges results are skewed.. the apps will be rejudged |
| 12:30.51 | ligi | we should have done a judging app ^^ |
| 12:31.00 | muthu | haha |
| 12:31.13 | muthu | an app to judge the judges! |
| 12:31.19 | jasta | muthu: you say a lot of things you just don't know, muthu. |
| 12:31.36 | muthu | jasta: about the skewing part, i know |
| 12:31.42 | muthu | it was clarified before |
| 12:32.00 | jasta | by morrildl? |
| 12:32.03 | muthu | yes |
| 12:32.11 | muthu | its in the forums, let me find the link |
| 12:32.13 | jasta | you mean specifically that if the app fails? |
| 12:32.24 | jasta | or if there is a wide disparity between all the judges scores? |
| 12:32.36 | muthu | disparity between scores |
| 12:32.47 | muthu | and the disparity can happen if the applications fails too |
| 12:33.12 | ligi | makes sense |
| 12:33.13 | ligi | ^^ |
| 12:33.19 | jasta | that does seem sensible. |
| 12:33.23 | ligi | 10.0 vs 0.0 |
| 12:33.28 | jasta | see if you can find the link, i have to go back to bed for now |
| 12:33.30 | ligi | big disparity |
| 12:33.37 | muthu | hang on |
| 12:33.58 | ligi | it was on google groups as far as i remember |
| 12:34.28 | ligi | jasta: for the waiting time: http://ligi-tec.blogspot.com/2008/04/quadrokopter-sunday-video.html |
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| 12:48.22 | vol_ | I wish RemoteCallbackList had a getCount method or something |
| 12:48.32 | muthu | jasta: http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge/browse_thread/thread/9a91f426422fed32/9b31c4cae6f2507a?lnk=st&q=#9b31c4cae6f2507a |
| 12:48.36 | vol_ | so that I don't have to begin a broadcast to know how many callbacks are still registered |
| 12:48.41 | muthu | http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge/browse_thread/thread/9a91f426422fed32/9b31c4cae6f2507a?lnk=st&q=#9b31c4cae6f2507a |
| 12:48.57 | vol_ | unless there's another way to know how many activities are still bound |
| 12:49.16 | muthu | ok big chunk coming in |
| 12:49.20 | muthu | This is correct. We're providing rather detailed judging guidelinesintended to help judges calibrate their scores. We also plan topost-process the results looking for outliers (such as cases where one judgegave a score that varies significantly from the others') to help make surethe results are fair.Panel size will be at least 3, depending on how many judges we have;currently the panel size is expected to be 4. |
| 12:51.40 | vol_ | additionally, it'd be nice to know if a notification is still in the status bar :\ |
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| 14:49.47 | muthu | jasta: are you there? |
| 14:50.09 | davidw | pretty early 'there' |
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| 14:51.05 | muthu | davidw: yeah, but jasta is in a bit of a trouble |
| 14:51.14 | muthu | worried about his app hits |
| 14:52.46 | davidw | why/ |
| 14:52.59 | muthu | he says he got only 2 valid hits |
| 14:53.17 | muthu | the other 2 did not really use his app |
| 14:53.36 | davidw | so when are they supposed to announce that anyway? |
| 14:53.46 | muthu | may 5 |
| 14:53.51 | davidw | oh right |
| 14:54.02 | davidw | hopes the baby comes first... that'll give me something to do |
| 14:54.10 | muthu | davidw: when's the date? |
| 14:54.19 | davidw | may 3rd, officially |
| 14:54.26 | muthu | cool, is this the first? |
| 14:54.29 | davidw | yeah |
| 14:54.45 | muthu | it should be exciting then |
| 14:54.53 | muthu | the first one is always special |
| 14:55.08 | muthu | lot of joy assured |
| 14:55.33 | muthu | am sure you'll not really worry about the results |
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| 15:08.22 | Dougie187 | Good morning everyone. |
| 15:08.37 | muthu | Dougie187: good evening |
| 15:08.48 | Dougie187 | Hows it going in india today/ |
| 15:08.50 | Dougie187 | ? |
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| 15:11.31 | muthu | going great |
| 15:11.36 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 15:11.42 | muthu | tomorrow is an holiday, so everyone happy mood |
| 15:12.03 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 15:12.04 | muthu | Dougie187: May 1 holiday for you? |
| 15:12.53 | Dougie187 | nope |
| 15:13.11 | Dougie187 | may 5th,but we dont get anything off |
| 15:13.29 | Dougie187 | its mainly just an excuse to get drunk |
| 15:13.36 | muthu | haha |
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| 15:38.07 | jasta | muthu: i went to bed, sorry |
| 15:38.12 | jasta | that does seem promising |
| 15:40.12 | muthu | jasta: yeah, that's the link |
| 15:40.28 | jasta | lol, did you know Apple is having a sort of developer challenge for the iPhone? the prizes are Apple products... |
| 15:40.38 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:40.39 | Dougie187 | lane |
| 15:40.41 | Dougie187 | lame |
| 15:40.50 | davidw | wouldn't mind winning an Android phone;-) |
| 15:40.58 | muthu | they advertised like $100m |
| 15:41.06 | davidw | I actually suggested that to Dan, that they give runners up coupons for phones or something |
| 15:41.10 | Dougie187 | lol, and their acronyms are both ADC |
| 15:41.30 | jasta | muthu: how is that even possible? they'd need to give away hundreds of thousands of prizes |
| 15:41.49 | muthu | iFund or something like that |
| 15:41.57 | Dougie187 | a mac book air |
| 15:41.59 | Dougie187 | maybe 5 of those. |
| 15:42.00 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:42.05 | Dougie187 | theres your 100 mill already |
| 15:42.14 | muthu | haha |
| 15:42.24 | davidw | it's a KP fund, for 'iphone stuff' |
| 15:42.30 | davidw | and it's "up to 100mil" |
| 15:42.38 | davidw | so that could be 100$ |
| 15:42.38 | muthu | right |
| 15:43.28 | muthu | don't want to get into apple closed circuit |
| 15:44.01 | davidw | worked for Linuxcare, once upon a time, which was a KP company |
| 15:44.05 | davidw | no bueno:-/ |
| 15:44.11 | Dougie187 | what is KP? |
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| 15:44.55 | davidw | Kleiner Perkins |
| 15:45.01 | davidw | a big venture capital group in the bay area |
| 15:45.46 | Dougie187 | http://www.kpcb.com/initiatives/ifund/index.html |
| 15:49.27 | davidw | bingo |
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| 15:53.28 | jasta | muthu: not really in the spirit of prize money at all. this other thing i saw is referring to prizes. |
| 15:53.44 | jasta | this is an industry building investment fund. |
| 16:06.38 | Dougie187 | im excited to see who will win the ADC |
| 16:06.41 | Dougie187 | (not the apple one) |
| 16:08.44 | jasta | me too |
| 16:09.45 | Dougie187 | heh i bet you are. |
| 16:10.37 | muthu | Dougie187: we are all excited and waiting for the results |
| 16:10.56 | Dougie187 | well it doesnt matter as much to me as it does to all of you. |
| 16:11.02 | Dougie187 | but im excited to see the apps that come out of it |
| 16:13.19 | jasta | i just really figured they'd be done by now |
| 16:13.35 | jasta | and would just have some time to sit around thinking about the results before they publish them |
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| 16:14.16 | jasta | i really am more anxious to just know that my app performed as it was supposed to for the judges |
| 16:14.24 | jasta | then i could stop stressing |
| 16:14.53 | muthu | there's no way of we knowing that |
| 16:15.05 | jasta | i will |
| 16:15.25 | jasta | the server will know when it is working right |
| 16:16.35 | muthu | jasta: then you know by now |
| 16:17.09 | jasta | no, i dont, because as i said there were 2 incomplete attempts :) |
| 16:18.02 | muthu | right |
| 16:18.08 | davidw | yeah, that kind of stressed me about hte server based app I did too |
| 16:18.18 | davidw | it's not just "turn it in and cross your fingers" |
| 16:18.29 | davidw | it's "turn it in and hope there's nothing wrong with the server for the next month" |
| 16:20.10 | jasta | exactly |
| 16:20.20 | jasta | i just want to know that all the judges got to see the app the way it was intended |
| 16:20.24 | jasta | and it looks like 2 did not |
| 16:20.34 | jasta | but if morrildl is right, the judges will go back and retry i guess |
| 16:20.39 | jasta | just seems like theyre running out of time |
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| 16:21.45 | morick | so you never went bowling with goebbels either? |
| 16:25.47 | jasta | ? |
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| 16:26.14 | morick | so you never went bowling with goebbels either? |
| 16:26.25 | jasta | hey dan |
| 16:27.02 | jasta | morrildl: is the plan still to detect outliers and retest them? say, if some of the judges got errors or whatever but others did not? |
| 16:27.10 | morick | so you never went bowling with goebbels either? |
| 16:27.43 | convivial | any andriod jobs avail for immediate grabs? |
| 16:28.04 | jasta | convivial: i'm sure there are a few. have you searched? |
| 16:28.07 | davidw | convivial, there are people out there who are interested, yeah |
| 16:28.19 | convivial | coolies, i really needies ojne. |
| 16:28.26 | davidw | got a nice gig by being active early on, so it worked out for me to some degree in any case |
| 16:28.31 | jasta | convivial: well, do you know Android at all? |
| 16:28.41 | convivial | jasta: still learning :( |
| 16:28.48 | morick | so you never went bowling with goebbels either? |
| 16:28.51 | convivial | but I am from the J2ME world! |
| 16:28.55 | morick | so you never went bowling with goebbels either? |
| 16:28.56 | jasta | morick: shut up, please. |
| 16:29.01 | morick | so you never went bowling with goebbels either? |
| 16:29.13 | convivial | so, I am experience with mobile java but not android api per se |
| 16:29.23 | morick | so you never went bowling with goebbels either? |
| 16:29.29 | jasta | convivial: android's API is a pretty significant piece of the puzzle. |
| 16:29.34 | davidw | calls in an air strike on morick |
| 16:29.37 | convivial | I am willing to work at 20-25 per hour |
| 16:29.39 | morick | so you never went bowling with goebbels either? |
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| 16:29.53 | convivial | has to be someone willing to jump at that |
| 16:30.00 | jasta | convivial: well, go searching then. perhpas you will be able to convince some poor guy that you're qualified. |
| 16:30.02 | davidw | convivial, look |
| 16:30.10 | morick | so you never went bowling with goebbels either? |
| 16:30.28 | convivial | jasta: what do you mean by that? |
| 16:30.30 | jasta | do we have any ops in this channel? i think it's time to show morick the door. |
| 16:30.35 | convivial | why wouldn't I be qualified? |
| 16:30.45 | morick | so you never went bowling with goebbels either? |
| 16:30.49 | convivial | I'm smart, been programming for 15 years in general |
| 16:30.58 | convivial | done mobile programming before |
| 16:31.04 | jasta | convivial: right, but i doubt you're qualified. |
| 16:31.08 | jasta | call it a hunch. |
| 16:31.21 | convivial | jasta: i don't understand what you mean by that |
| 16:31.25 | jasta | or that last time i saw you speak in here you were trolling like a maddened fool. |
| 16:31.28 | convivial | jasta: are yu saying i am stupid? |
| 16:31.31 | jasta | call it that instead. |
| 16:31.37 | morick | so you never went bowling with goebbels either? |
| 16:32.45 | jasta | bbl, work |
| 16:33.04 | morick | so you never went bowling with goebbels either? |
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| 16:34.39 | *** mode/#android [+b *!*@77-56-86-122.dclient.hispeed.ch] by morrildl |
| 16:35.41 | *** kick/#android [morick!n=chatzill@nat/google/x-dd66bdd6ccef7fe0] by morrildl (morrildl) |
| 16:35.48 | convivial | would an XML parser + dtd code generator be a good library for android? |
| 16:35.49 | donomo | claps |
| 16:36.14 | convivial | I noticed that asdk uses javax.sax i don't like that |
| 16:36.19 | convivial | in j2me i used kxml |
| 16:36.29 | donomo | convivial: aren't DTDs dead? |
| 16:36.45 | convivial | donomo: sorry, wsdl :) |
| 16:36.46 | convivial | ehehehe |
| 16:36.55 | convivial | wsdl code generator |
| 16:37.23 | morrildl | jasta: the plan is to detect outliers and address them, which may or may not involve a retest |
| 16:37.26 | convivial | I would also write a tool that can generate code from wsdl... sorry, don't inow why i say DTD |
| 16:37.38 | morrildl | oh, he left |
| 16:37.40 | morrildl | hehehe |
| 16:38.03 | convivial | what do you guys think about my idea? |
| 16:38.44 | convivial | or is the community happy with android XML parsing capabilities? |
| 16:40.51 | convivial | the only response i got was to point out a typo. does that mean it's a good idea? |
| 16:45.52 | davidw | two points for morrildl |
| 16:46.39 | convivial | i must be on ignore |
| 16:46.53 | convivial | i'll go to undernet android channel |
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| 16:47.12 | jasta | that guy bothers me. |
| 16:47.29 | Dougie187 | jasta did you read what morrildl said? |
| 16:47.33 | jasta | yeah |
| 16:47.36 | Dougie187 | k |
| 16:47.47 | jasta | morrildl: you guys on schedule still? seems like it's really getting down to the wire... |
| 16:48.07 | morrildl | jasta: so far, so good |
| 16:48.21 | morrildl | We have done the reduction down to the "first cut" 100 |
| 16:48.38 | morrildl | and those 100 are now being reviewed by the second-pass judges to narrow down to the final 50 |
| 16:48.43 | jasta | seriously? uhhhhhh. |
| 16:48.50 | jasta | i have had 2 judges review my app |
| 16:49.22 | jasta | how can that be possible? |
| 16:49.50 | morrildl | well, *I* have looked at it twice personally, and I know Romain did at least once |
| 16:49.58 | jasta | i didn't count those attempts. |
| 16:50.07 | jasta | i counted only attempts after i knew you released the laptops to the judges. |
| 16:50.17 | jasta | ...and there are definitely 2. |
| 16:50.20 | jasta | JUST 2. |
| 16:50.57 | jasta | there have been 4 attempts: 2 of which, the first two, just disappeared as though they closed the app and dismissed it while it was syncing. |
| 16:51.01 | jasta | the other 2 continued on and used it. |
| 16:51.13 | jasta | are you saying you didn't detect *that* as an outliar!? |
| 16:51.35 | Dougie187 | well you might be in the top 100 |
| 16:51.41 | Dougie187 | maybe it only required two attempts |
| 16:51.45 | jasta | how could that be if 2 of the judges never even used it? |
| 16:52.00 | Dougie187 | maybe the other two reviews were so good it just got put in |
| 16:52.21 | davidw | jasta, maybe they each get to pick one that goes directly to the finals |
| 16:52.21 | jasta | i really doubt that even 2 10 point scores would outweight 2 0 point scores. |
| 16:52.53 | davidw | jasta, maybe the judges are all deaf and don't care about music at all - they just use phones for text messaging |
| 16:53.08 | jasta | i am really nervous about this. i fully expected to see 4 successful attempts at the very least before being written off either as the top 100 or not. |
| 16:53.18 | morrildl | jasta: I checked, and you have 4 scores, none indicating broken/incomplete |
| 16:53.19 | davidw | jasta, have a nice glass of red wine |
| 16:53.39 | jasta | morrildl: and none outliars? what the *HELL* |
| 16:54.16 | morrildl | jasta: they all agree with each other pretty well |
| 16:54.33 | jasta | that is so bizarre. |
| 16:54.33 | davidw | ouch... I'd rather think of this thing as abstract, rather than that someone could tell me in a minute or two what's up |
| 16:54.34 | morrildl | there is no one score that says "hey I blew this guy off" |
| 16:54.35 | jasta | i swear to you there are only 2 successful usages. |
| 16:55.13 | jasta | oh man, i am freaking out |
| 16:55.16 | jasta | time to go to work anyway |
| 16:55.18 | jasta | aggggh |
| 16:55.34 | davidw | take it easy man:-) |
| 16:56.53 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:57.04 | Dougie187 | i would think he would be happy |
| 16:58.05 | davidw | yeah... |
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| 17:01.22 | davidw | hi pandora-- |
| 17:03.55 | pandora-- | hey hey |
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| 17:15.30 | davidw | hah... these guys, to send me a pdf, need my mailing address...:-) |
| 17:18.49 | jasta | Dougie187: why? this sounds like bad news! |
| 17:19.06 | Dougie187 | How does it sound like bad news? |
| 17:19.13 | Dougie187 | you have 2 more things then you thought. |
| 17:19.16 | Dougie187 | and they could be great |
| 17:19.32 | jasta | no, because I know that the two judges who originally connected did not complete the sync. |
| 17:19.46 | Dougie187 | so, does that mean they cant play with the app though? |
| 17:19.51 | jasta | So they were reviewing an app they didn't know to be incomplete :\ |
| 17:19.56 | jasta | It would be missing data. |
| 17:20.05 | jasta | like album artwork and whatever. and i didn't build the UI to handle that very gracefully |
| 17:20.06 | Dougie187 | i think they kinda went into it knowing it would be incomplete. |
| 17:20.14 | jasta | also, if they started playing with the app while it was syncing it would be slow as hell |
| 17:20.26 | Dougie187 | phase two was to make the incompleteness of each app better. |
| 17:20.47 | Dougie187 | what if it stopped syncing and then they played with it. |
| 17:20.50 | Dougie187 | like the sync failed. |
| 17:20.51 | jasta | but that said, morrildl says they're already in the final 100. i haven't seen any connects, so it's likely i'm not in that group :( |
| 17:20.55 | Dougie187 | what would be the downside? |
| 17:21.08 | Dougie187 | I wouldnt worry yet. |
| 17:21.12 | Dougie187 | dont be a debbie downer. |
| 17:21.21 | jasta | Dougie187: like i said, it oculd be missing data. like albums wouldn't have track data, or might be missing cover artwork |
| 17:21.27 | jasta | so you'd click an album and it would do nothing |
| 17:21.45 | muthu | jasta: are the judges into final 100? |
| 17:21.51 | jasta | it was supposed to be atomic and the UI presents itself like that. it isn't actually, though, because content providers dont support that currently |
| 17:21.58 | jasta | muthu: thats why dan just said |
| 17:21.58 | davidw | jasta, he basically told you it got good reviews |
| 17:21.59 | Dougie187 | Does it make it so they cant see the idea and functionality of your app? |
| 17:22.06 | jasta | davidw: he did? |
| 17:22.08 | Dougie187 | yes |
| 17:22.16 | davidw | <morrildl> there is no one score that says "hey I blew this guy off" |
| 17:22.18 | jasta | why do i misinterpret everything dan says? |
| 17:22.46 | Dougie187 | because your paranoid |
| 17:22.48 | davidw | because you are way too wound up? |
| 17:22.51 | jasta | but how is that necessarily good? they don't need to blow me off to give me a bad score. |
| 17:22.56 | muthu | jasta: you are paranoid!! |
| 17:22.57 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:22.59 | muthu | haha |
| 17:23.03 | Dougie187 | you are thinking they are the worst scores. |
| 17:23.05 | Dougie187 | just relax |
| 17:23.07 | davidw | looks like we have a verdict;-) |
| 17:23.16 | Dougie187 | you wont know if you are not in the group until they let you know. |
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| 17:23.23 | Dougie187 | until then. just think you have a chance. |
| 17:23.27 | Dougie187 | dont worry about your numbers. or anything |
| 17:23.33 | jasta | Dougie187: well except that my server should liven up once more. |
| 17:23.35 | muthu | a music player is something that must win |
| 17:23.36 | Dougie187 | you have 4 scores. all which agree with each other. |
| 17:23.52 | Dougie187 | why? maybe they dont retest apps for the reduction from 100 to 50 |
| 17:23.58 | Dougie187 | maybe its just evaluating the reviews again |
| 17:24.02 | Dougie187 | more throughly |
| 17:24.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | isn't this all just speculation? |
| 17:24.12 | Dougie187 | yes |
| 17:24.16 | Dougie187 | thats why im telling him to calm down |
| 17:24.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | going to drive yourselves nuts! |
| 17:24.35 | davidw | wouldn't bet against google also looking to hire people who do really cool stuff |
| 17:24.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | no one will know until they announce it, so sit back grab a beer and take a really long nap |
| 17:24.43 | muthu | davidw: spot on |
| 17:24.50 | Dougie187 | exactaly . |
| 17:24.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | probably nap until monday :) |
| 17:24.56 | Dougie187 | thats what im trying to tell him |
| 17:24.57 | jasta | rip shis hair out and runs around |
| 17:25.00 | Dougie187 | dont worry about everything. |
| 17:25.01 | muthu | there would be a lot of hires from ADC submissions |
| 17:25.01 | davidw | that might be another consolation prize, for some people |
| 17:25.02 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:25.17 | davidw | muthu, well, who knows with google, but I could see it |
| 17:25.27 | Dougie187 | maybe thats what the 250k is |
| 17:25.31 | Dougie187 | your starting salary. |
| 17:25.31 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:25.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | except that your app doesn't show coding ability..... you could be one complete hack mess and still get something to look good |
| 17:25.35 | muthu | lol |
| 17:25.52 | Dougie187 | but dont they get to look through the code? |
| 17:25.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | no |
| 17:25.56 | muthu | nope |
| 17:25.59 | Dougie187 | also, they might be looking for just an idea person |
| 17:26.04 | davidw | yeah right |
| 17:26.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | i could see that |
| 17:26.07 | muthu | they need not.. why would anyone look at code? |
| 17:26.08 | davidw | no one wants 'idea people';-) |
| 17:26.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 17:26.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have an idea |
| 17:26.17 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:26.34 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: well, but that problem is persistent even through the hiring process. |
| 17:26.50 | jasta | big companies like google screw up their interviews constantly. they structure them like a CS test, and not like a real exercise. |
| 17:27.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta that is true |
| 17:27.04 | muthu | heard google interview is a big mess |
| 17:27.19 | jasta | how well you can answer CS-type questions has little bearing on how likely you are to write a 900 line function. |
| 17:27.28 | muthu | right |
| 17:27.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | true |
| 17:27.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'd love to work for google :) |
| 17:27.40 | muthu | and they have like 10 levels!! |
| 17:27.50 | jasta | and the latter is much more detrimental to their code base than someone who writes an inefficient piece of code. |
| 17:27.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | and i am really anal about my code!! |
| 17:28.03 | jasta | though they both are not good ;) |
| 17:28.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am a code optimization nerd! |
| 17:28.41 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: oh oh |
| 17:28.59 | davidw | muthu, the guy at the last level breathes fire. You have to do your special move like 10 times to get by him |
| 17:29.08 | muthu | haha |
| 17:29.12 | muthu | lol |
| 17:29.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | haaa |
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| 17:30.14 | muthu | i'll hire by intution |
| 17:30.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | gotta like the person too though |
| 17:30.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | i like working with people that have a sense of humor and don't take everything you say as gospel |
| 17:31.03 | muthu | right |
| 17:31.12 | muthu | need some healthy discussions |
| 17:31.19 | muthu | hate when people just nod |
| 17:31.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea, and when you crack a joke look at you as if they were stone |
| 17:32.14 | jasta | a lot of software engineers at least around Seattle have great personalities |
| 17:32.16 | muthu | android is the best thing to come out of google |
| 17:32.23 | jasta | many of them are not what you'd expect. |
| 17:33.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, totally... i have come cross more cool developers than annoying ones |
| 17:34.41 | muthu | any chance we know the top 100? |
| 17:35.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | doubt it |
| 17:35.18 | muthu | any clues so far? |
| 17:35.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | it might piss off people 51-100 |
| 17:35.27 | muthu | haha |
| 17:35.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | especially 51 on the list |
| 17:35.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'd choke someone if i found out i was 51 |
| 17:35.58 | muthu | lol |
| 17:36.09 | muthu | but who gave this top 100 idea? |
| 17:36.30 | muthu | i thought, you pick 50 from 1788 |
| 17:36.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu: no idea.... its 50 |
| 17:36.55 | muthu | ok |
| 17:37.06 | muthu | there are 100 judges |
| 17:37.14 | muthu | that's the top 100! |
| 17:38.10 | romainguy_ | morrildl: We have done the reduction down to the "first cut" 100 |
| 17:38.11 | romainguy_ | [09:48am] morrildl: and those 100 are now being reviewed by the second-pass judges to narrow down to the final 50 |
| 17:38.28 | muthu | oh, i missed that |
| 17:38.31 | muthu | romainguy_: thanks |
| 17:39.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | keep an eye out on your severs :) |
| 17:39.01 | jasta | morrildl: hey do you think you'll be able to leak our scoresa fter the results are out? :) |
| 17:39.07 | jasta | or will we get them? |
| 17:39.08 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 17:39.51 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:39.53 | muthu | 100 filtered out of 1788.. this is getting exciting already |
| 17:40.02 | Dougie187 | i would think you wouldnt get your score. |
| 17:40.36 | muthu | can someone poke me privately, if i'm in 100 :-)) |
| 17:40.42 | muthu | haha |
| 17:40.53 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:41.10 | muthu | it wouldn't be illegal btw |
| 17:41.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | what would be illegal? |
| 17:41.23 | muthu | oh oh |
| 17:41.27 | muthu | no poke yet!!! |
| 17:41.29 | muthu | haha |
| 17:43.47 | muthu | jasta: are you getting any hits now? |
| 17:45.40 | Dougie187 | just so you guys know. mario kart wii is really fun |
| 17:46.57 | davidw | jasta, how about now? |
| 17:47.45 | muthu | jasta: now? |
| 17:47.52 | muthu | haha |
| 17:47.57 | muthu | this is really fun |
| 17:48.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | uh oh, he hasn't answered |
| 17:48.11 | jasta | you know i actually was not one of those people that obsessively watched my server |
| 17:48.18 | jasta | i dont even have the monitor up right now |
| 17:48.27 | muthu | jasta: now that we know |
| 17:48.32 | muthu | you need to watch it closely |
| 17:48.47 | jasta | nah. i'll know if it gets hit. |
| 17:48.59 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:49.02 | jasta | you know, duey claims he got 5 hits btw ;) |
| 17:49.15 | muthu | duey is a winner |
| 17:49.19 | Dougie187 | well you claim to have 2 reviews |
| 17:49.41 | jasta | i would vote for duey's app |
| 17:49.43 | jasta | i think its cool |
| 17:50.00 | jasta | Dougie187: yeah, but morrildl claims i have 4. i have no idea how that is possible. |
| 17:50.06 | jasta | i show 4 attempts, but only 2 successful ones. meh. |
| 17:50.54 | davidw | which is duey's? |
| 17:51.14 | muthu | duey did a cool OCR |
| 17:51.39 | jasta | davidw: it's a translation service that lets you take a photo of some text and it'll translate it for you |
| 17:51.45 | davidw | neat |
| 17:51.51 | jasta | it only works with english as a source language for now, but could be trained for other languages |
| 17:51.57 | jasta | could be a great tool for european travelers |
| 17:53.04 | muthu | the apps are not categorized btw |
| 17:53.55 | jasta | i know |
| 17:54.13 | jasta | we could have 50 social networking services win. which would be *lame* :) |
| 17:54.19 | muthu | yeah |
| 17:54.29 | muthu | it was a surprise for me too |
| 17:55.06 | muthu | but you know.. the judges would hate to do that |
| 17:55.53 | jasta | yeah, i think they will protect themselves against that without it being explicitly worked into the rules |
| 17:56.02 | jasta | doesn't help them any to do that. |
| 17:56.25 | davidw | I don't see that in any case because it doesn't show off the phone that much |
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| 17:56.34 | davidw | loopt already does the mobile/social thing |
| 17:56.37 | davidw | as do others |
| 17:58.03 | jasta | you know i have a bunch of friends that work there? |
| 17:58.09 | jasta | one of them at least is coming with me to I/O |
| 17:58.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | you all have me paranoid now |
| 17:58.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am greping my server logs now to see activity for the first time ever! |
| 17:59.41 | muthu | lol |
| 18:01.13 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:01.20 | Dougie187 | you guys need to calm the f down |
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| 18:10.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | i got a hit yesterday, but i can't remember if it was me! |
| 18:10.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | i think i was playing call of duty at that time, gggrrr |
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| 18:12.55 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:13.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | woah |
| 18:13.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | they were definitely testing it on saturday |
| 18:14.07 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: any recent hits? |
| 18:14.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | the 26th |
| 18:14.29 | muthu | ok |
| 18:14.37 | muthu | when the 100 got finalized? |
| 18:14.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | no idea |
| 18:15.02 | muthu | guess its as of today |
| 18:16.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | it was definitely a tester, there are only two people with the apk and neither of us sat in front of a computer saturday |
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| 18:16.56 | muthu | ok |
| 18:17.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | romainguy when did dan talk about the top 100? |
| 18:18.42 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: today |
| 18:19.30 | muthu | i know it wasn't discussed before |
| 18:19.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | gr |
| 18:20.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | atleast it was hit recently |
| 18:20.47 | muthu | it would be really disappointing for the losers |
| 18:20.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea |
| 18:21.19 | muthu | i know atleast one soul which will cry |
| 18:21.24 | muthu | :-( |
| 18:21.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | now i am getting antsy..... i should stay away from the irc until mondy |
| 18:21.52 | muthu | haha |
| 18:22.29 | muthu | it'll be hard.. but we should take it easy |
| 18:22.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 18:23.13 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: will you continue, if you lose? |
| 18:23.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | i will, funding will become difficult but i will continue.... there was another tragic storm this week that killed people in the middle of the night |
| 18:24.06 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: yours is such a useful app |
| 18:24.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | so I know my application can serve atleast some people that could really use it |
| 18:24.13 | muthu | yeah |
| 18:24.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | i was a firefighter/emt before being a programmer so public service is kind of a no brainer |
| 18:24.45 | muthu | wow |
| 18:25.07 | muthu | firefighter / programmer - you must be something |
| 18:25.09 | muthu | good luck |
| 18:25.23 | michaelnovakjr__ | thanks |
| 18:25.42 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr__ you got mario kart wii? |
| 18:25.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | nope |
| 18:25.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | xbox |
| 18:26.02 | Dougie187 | halo? |
| 18:26.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | call of duty and halo |
| 18:26.30 | muthu | LBS has really kindled peoples interest |
| 18:26.36 | muthu | a lot of GPS apps |
| 18:26.59 | muthu | http://www.xixiaohong.cn/default.asp |
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| 18:28.20 | muthu | oh wait |
| 18:28.22 | muthu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwSBLdGCjnY |
| 18:30.16 | muthu | that's more like a movie btw |
| 18:32.06 | Dougie187 | do you play halo online? |
| 18:32.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | me? |
| 18:32.16 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 18:32.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
| 18:32.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | i haven't in a while since getting Call of Duty |
| 18:34.07 | ligi | muthu: crazy stuff this duo thing |
| 18:34.18 | muthu | ligi: oh yeah, big time |
| 18:34.49 | muthu | i like the twist.. very innovative |
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| 18:35.45 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: What rank are you/ |
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| 18:39.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | Dougie187: i forget |
| 18:39.54 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 18:40.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am lvl 30 in Call of Duty |
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| 18:42.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | Dougie187: do you play call of duty |
| 18:43.29 | Dougie187 | nope |
| 18:44.17 | Dougie187 | i only have halo and the orange box for my 360 |
| 18:44.21 | Dougie187 | and i have a wii with a bunch of wii games |
| 18:44.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | you're missing out. call of duty 4 is totally better than halop |
| 18:45.44 | romainguy_ | agreed :)) |
| 18:46.08 | poffy | I like CoD4 sometimes |
| 18:46.12 | poffy | other times I like Halo 3 |
| 18:46.15 | poffy | other times I like TF2 |
| 18:46.20 | mnel_work | I mostly just play WoW occasionally if I have time. |
| 18:46.25 | romainguy_ | was talking about the solo experience only though |
| 18:46.34 | poffy | Oh |
| 18:46.42 | poffy | CoD4 single player > Halo 3 Singleplayer |
| 18:47.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | CoD 4 team deathmatch is awesome.... hardcore is better though :) |
| 18:47.44 | poffy | Hardcore is the best |
| 18:47.46 | romainguy_ | Halo 3 is actually a poor solo game I found |
| 18:47.49 | poffy | Search and Destroy |
| 18:47.51 | romainguy_ | anyway |
| 18:47.54 | romainguy_ | back to LinearLayout :) |
| 18:48.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | its just lame that in CoD you can't play with a guest on Live |
| 18:48.14 | poffy | Yeah |
| 18:48.28 | poffy | I'm loving the new Halo maps |
| 18:48.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | new maps are fun though :) |
| 18:48.39 | poffy | New Sidewinder is <3 |
| 18:48.47 | jasta | i have never played Halo (any version) for more than 20 minutes |
| 18:48.58 | jasta | i find the interface insulting. |
| 18:49.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | how about CoD jasta? |
| 18:49.10 | jasta | nope |
| 18:49.38 | jasta | i am very particular about my first person shooters. first of all, keybaord and mouse for life. |
| 18:49.47 | jasta | i used to compete in Quake3 tournaments hehe |
| 18:49.48 | Dougie187 | im not big on halo 3 single player. |
| 18:49.51 | Dougie187 | only multiplayer |
| 18:49.53 | jasta | i'm ruthless ;) |
| 18:49.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, but the xbox controller was very nicely designed for shooter games |
| 18:50.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | triggers and all |
| 18:50.09 | jasta | let me put it another way. |
| 18:50.45 | jasta | if you designed the exact same game to be played on an xbox with a typical controller, and on a PC with a keyboard/mouse. And you put two skilled players in the arena with each, which do you think would win? |
| 18:51.03 | jasta | And not just win. Would you think it to would be an absolute blood bath? |
| 18:51.08 | poffy | That's a good question |
| 18:51.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | hm, taking into account your previous statement.... i am guessing you'd say the computer guy |
| 18:51.21 | jasta | I've seen competitive Halo play, and I've seen competitive FPS on a PC. They are *NOTHING* alike. |
| 18:51.29 | jasta | The Halo play is laughably slow, sloppy, and inaccurate. |
| 18:51.45 | jasta | Competitive first-person shooters on a PC are incredible. The players reach an unreal level of skill. |
| 18:51.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | Halo is, but I feel CoD is a bit different |
| 18:52.03 | jasta | twitch-sniping enemies that are the size of a small dot on the screen. things like that. |
| 18:52.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | sniping in halo is real |
| 18:52.35 | jasta | like I said, I used to go to a lot of these sorts of tournaments. I'd compete in the PC FPS games, and watch the console-based ones. It was pathetic to see them side-by-side. |
| 18:52.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | CoD you get tired holding your gun steady, in halo its always steady |
| 18:53.23 | jasta | I'm good relative to most people who play, but I'm nothing special in the tournaments. That said, I feel like I could, with a keyboard/mouse, beat even the top players on the console games. |
| 18:53.29 | jasta | Proof to me at least that the interface is _ALL WRONG_. |
| 18:53.31 | poffy | I personally thing Unreal is ridiculous |
| 18:53.39 | poffy | too fast |
| 18:53.42 | poffy | too too fsat |
| 18:53.45 | poffy | fast, even |
| 18:54.15 | jasta | I like realism games too. Like counter-strike. But again, on a PC is the only way to play it. |
| 18:54.24 | jasta | I'm also very good at CS if anyone is curious ;) |
| 18:54.42 | jasta | I have a huge house and somehow have collected like 10 monitors in my closet. We have big LAN parties at my house all the time hehe |
| 18:54.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | i can play Myst on my computer really well ;) |
| 18:55.03 | jasta | at least one big one a year |
| 18:55.07 | poffy | I've played CoD on computer, and honestly, I don't think I'd have much trouble if I was forced to play a PC player |
| 18:55.19 | poffy | I think I could do well |
| 18:55.20 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:55.24 | Dougie187 | i like the wii a lot. |
| 18:55.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | too much movement for me |
| 18:55.40 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:55.41 | jasta | poffy: Maybe that's true for CoD, I have never played it. But for the games I have seen, like Halo, Quake, Unreal, etc it would be no contest. |
| 18:55.46 | jasta | even a mediocre player on the PC could win. |
| 18:56.10 | jasta | even the best Halo players i've seen at these tournaments would actually miss with sniper weapons. |
| 18:56.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | how? |
| 18:56.22 | poffy | Well, I think you're comparing apples and oranges |
| 18:56.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | sniper is so easy |
| 18:56.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | on halo that i |
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| 18:56.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | s |
| 18:56.31 | poffy | Comparing the Halo players to Unreal players |
| 18:56.35 | poffy | that's kinda difficult |
| 18:56.41 | jasta | poffy: Not really, some of these games, like Unreal, even have console versions. |
| 18:56.50 | jasta | And they turn on *AUTOAIM* because otherwise it would never work |
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| 18:57.01 | poffy | For the original Halo, I own PC and Xbox version |
| 18:57.08 | jasta | Sure if you leave auto-aim on, I bet the console player would stand a chance. |
| 18:57.09 | poffy | I could bet I could beat PC players easily |
| 18:57.17 | jasta | But if you give the PC player auto-aim, omg :) |
| 18:57.19 | poffy | I don't have auto-aim on |
| 18:57.51 | poffy | oh oh oh |
| 18:57.54 | jasta | poffy: There's a reason the game makers do not make the two versions server compatible. |
| 18:57.54 | poffy | I know what you're talking about |
| 18:57.56 | poffy | the tracking |
| 18:58.09 | poffy | I hate the Halo 3 tracking |
| 18:58.10 | jasta | Because the PC players would dominate and piss off everyone. |
| 18:58.42 | jasta | as a side note, i had a friend who i used to go to these things with who would usually place 1st or 2nd... |
| 18:58.54 | jasta | his accuracy with the rail gun in Quake3 was well over 90%. |
| 18:59.00 | jasta | to see him miss was *VERY* rare. |
| 18:59.16 | Stephmw | practicing against xaero made people that good :) |
| 18:59.40 | Stephmw | LPB was a title I wore with pride too |
| 18:59.54 | Stephmw | but meh, my Q2/Q3 days are long over |
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| 19:25.05 | f00f- | wow, this is very strange |
| 19:25.08 | f00f- | zero hits to my server |
| 19:25.13 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:25.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 19:25.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | you sound shocked |
| 19:25.27 | f00f- | but i sent dan a mail and he replied that my application has data from the judges... wtf?! |
| 19:25.41 | Dougie187 | sounds familiar |
| 19:25.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | zero hits total? |
| 19:25.48 | f00f- | i don't understand. it's as if they removed web access completely from the judges' emulators? |
| 19:25.53 | f00f- | nothing on the web server |
| 19:26.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | they didn't.... i know that for a fact |
| 19:26.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | my server was hit with actual data requests |
| 19:27.13 | Dougie187 | maybe they did from the apps that didnt need it? |
| 19:27.14 | Dougie187 | ionno |
| 19:27.39 | f00f- | Dougie187: good point |
| 19:28.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | f00f-: did you give data with your apk? |
| 19:28.10 | f00f- | yeah |
| 19:28.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | its possible they just used that then |
| 19:28.40 | f00f- | but there is no options to 'select' local vs remote :P |
| 19:28.51 | f00f- | local data is used as a fallback in case it can't connect |
| 19:28.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | so then what's the point of the data? |
| 19:28.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | ah |
| 19:29.08 | f00f- | for emergencies, such as this, so i hope it worked |
| 19:29.30 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 19:29.32 | Dougie187 | im sure it worked fine |
| 19:29.51 | Dougie187 | everyone is freaking out about their apps |
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| 19:42.11 | jasta | arrrgggh |
| 19:42.14 | jasta | i am in such a weird mood |
| 19:43.26 | jasta | in the last couple of days i have become excessively impatient ;) |
| 19:43.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | me too |
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| 19:46.47 | f00f- | i think i am falling into a state of apathy |
| 19:47.35 | Dougie187 | that happens. |
| 19:48.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | if i lose the adc i'll have to find investors and charge 99 cents for the application |
| 19:48.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | kinda don't want to have to do that |
| 19:48.23 | Dougie187 | well. you might not have to as wlel. |
| 19:48.24 | Dougie187 | well |
| 19:48.32 | Dougie187 | keep in mind you might be able to put ads on the bottom. |
| 19:48.40 | Dougie187 | or get NOAA to adopt it |
| 19:49.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | i want to keep away from ads.... it seems inappropriate for this kind of app |
| 19:49.34 | Dougie187 | well which is more appropriate? charging for it, or putting ads on it? |
| 19:50.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | its tough |
| 19:50.23 | f00f- | would people have it running constantly michaelnovakjr__ ? |
| 19:50.31 | f00f- | or would they fire it up in emergencies |
| 19:50.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | it warns them of emergencies so its a constant thing |
| 19:51.26 | f00f- | so it has like a Service that starts up a UI when a warning needs to be shown? |
| 19:51.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | but the time interval can be modified so when you are plugged in at night you can run it say every minute.. and during the day you can drop it to an hour or more... or not run it at all |
| 19:51.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes |
| 19:52.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | there's the UI for displaying and configuring the app and then it runs based on the preferences |
| 19:52.25 | Dougie187 | you should make it change the time interval by itself |
| 19:52.41 | Dougie187 | maybe like the default is once an hour, or half hour or something |
| 19:52.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am planning on making that an option, where you can set the phone to be more responsive during high warning times |
| 19:52.57 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 19:53.06 | Dougie187 | like every 5 minutes until an alert is over |
| 19:53.14 | Dougie187 | and just set it based on when the alert says its going to end |
| 19:53.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | or times you are less likely to be alert |
| 19:53.34 | Dougie187 | yeah, like have a schedule that you are awake or something on it |
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| 19:54.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am an optimization nerd, so battery and memory consumption are always a top priority |
| 19:54.28 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 19:54.44 | Dougie187 | i figured that the self-adjusting time interval would help with battery quite a bit |
| 19:55.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have made it my goal to create the application in a way where you can run it as often as you like and not worry about battery drain.... (this includes adding a push option :) ) |
| 19:55.31 | Dougie187 | man i cant wait for my laptop to get back. |
| 19:55.36 | Dougie187 | i miss it already |
| 19:55.44 | michaelnovakjr__ | what kind of laptop? |
| 19:55.47 | Dougie187 | toshiba |
| 19:55.49 | Dougie187 | tablet pc |
| 19:55.54 | Dougie187 | though i dont use the tablet much |
| 19:55.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | linux |
| 19:56.11 | Dougie187 | yeah i put ubuntu on it |
| 19:56.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | nice |
| 19:56.18 | Dougie187 | right now im using my wifes windows laptop |
| 19:56.28 | Dougie187 | it saddens me to use it |
| 19:56.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | ouch |
| 19:56.29 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 19:57.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | do we know if when the judges are testing each time they start from the install? |
| 19:57.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | or do they start using it after its on the emulator and continue using it? |
| 19:59.58 | Dougie187 | no idea. |
| 20:00.11 | Dougie187 | What kinda system are you running? |
| 20:02.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | i need call of duty to keep my mind off android |
| 20:04.15 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:04.26 | Dougie187 | what kinda system do you run michaelnovakjr__ |
| 20:06.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | linux (ubuntu) |
| 20:08.47 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 20:08.51 | Dougie187 | you up to 8.04 yet? |
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| 20:11.06 | lummie | evening all |
| 20:13.03 | Dougie187 | good evening |
| 20:19.35 | lummie | Boy the waiting is killing me.... roll on monday |
| 20:20.54 | jerkface03 | how much longer did they say it was going to be? |
| 20:21.16 | Dougie187 | i guess monday |
| 20:21.27 | lummie | huh, is it not the 5th |
| 20:21.32 | lummie | ! |
| 20:21.37 | Dougie187 | no i heard monday from other people |
| 20:21.43 | Dougie187 | i know it is the 5th though |
| 20:21.55 | Dougie187 | so its supposed to be monday |
| 20:23.23 | lummie | Any of you guys seen assembla? Found it a few weeks ago. |
| 20:25.43 | Dougie187 | nope |
| 20:25.54 | jasta | lummie: i'm thinking i did not even make it to the top 100 :( |
| 20:26.00 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:26.04 | Dougie187 | jasta. stop it. |
| 20:26.07 | Dougie187 | just wait until monday |
| 20:26.18 | lummie | It's an SVN / project management where you can have private or public projects and its free |
| 20:26.22 | jasta | if i win, i am gonna get so sloppy drunk on Monday night |
| 20:26.27 | jasta | there's no way i'm goin tow rok Tuesday |
| 20:26.37 | lummie | jasta: yeah it's a kill being a doubter... |
| 20:27.26 | lummie | I hope they announce at 9am cause it's gonna be like 3 in the afternoon here.... |
| 20:27.44 | lummie | And it's a bank holiday, it's going to go so so slow |
| 20:28.24 | jerkface03 | well, a lot of us are probably not going to be in the top 50, but i hope atleast they e-mail the scores we got |
| 20:28.46 | jerkface03 | that way i'll atleast know where i stood |
| 20:28.52 | lummie | So are there any more rumours of hardware yet ? |
| 20:29.00 | Dougie187 | i could see the people who lose getting their scores. but not the winners. |
| 20:29.04 | lummie | jerkface03: all ways say you don't know.... |
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| 20:32.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | only roughly 3% win |
| 20:32.40 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr why do you try to make them more pessimistic? |
| 20:32.44 | lummie | 1 in 35... sounds better |
| 20:32.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 20:33.47 | lummie | optimist glass is half full..... pessimist glass is half empty.... android programmer, glass is designed too big and you need the mobile version.... :) |
| 20:34.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 20:36.29 | jasta | as an aside, the glass is half full or empty is not a matter of perspective, it is a matter of causality. |
| 20:36.51 | davidw | jasta, take a drunk picture and put it on the web "Thanks, Larry, thanks Sergey!" |
| 20:37.06 | jasta | it is half empty is the last action performed was to drain; half full if it was to fill. |
| 20:37.15 | lummie | as in I had a casual drink and now the glass is half empty |
| 20:37.30 | jasta | half empty if* |
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| 20:37.34 | Dougie187 | and.. jasta thinks about it too much |
| 20:37.43 | jasta | lummie: Yes. Or, I poured a glass half full of juice. You didn't pour it half empty. |
| 20:38.04 | jasta | It's a matter of order, not optimism :) |
| 20:38.20 | lummie | the glass was too bloody big alright !!!! |
| 20:38.31 | Dougie187 | depends how much time you want to waste thinking about an old cliche |
| 20:38.45 | jasta | very little, it's obvious ;0 |
| 20:38.51 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:38.57 | jasta | still, i am gonna be soooooooo tanked Monday ;) |
| 20:39.01 | lummie | so about that horse that bolted...... |
| 20:39.01 | jasta | already setting it up right now |
| 20:39.04 | jasta | walking to Teddy's |
| 20:39.13 | jasta | *wasted* |
| 20:39.14 | jasta | walking home ;0 |
| 20:39.27 | Dougie187 | can you walk home wasted, though? |
| 20:39.33 | jasta | uhm, yes. |
| 20:40.11 | lummie | you can get a taxi home wasted.... ? |
| 20:40.23 | Dougie187 | true |
| 20:40.25 | lummie | And you have to tpye the digits in the phone and all |
| 20:40.34 | jasta | walking is easier when drunk. it's like being on autopilot. you just *become* home. |
| 20:40.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | i got pulled over for walking drunk |
| 20:40.47 | jasta | me too, actually |
| 20:40.50 | jasta | cops harrass you |
| 20:41.06 | jasta | you can even be ticketed for riding a bicycle drunk hehe |
| 20:41.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | i told them my dad george bush would be proud of me! |
| 20:41.15 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:41.32 | jasta | i once was caught in Canada walking to the club with a bottle of whiskey in a group of friends |
| 20:42.03 | jasta | the cop walked up to us and said sternly, "Just so you know, the fine for littering is more than the fine for public drunkenness around here. Make sure that bottle makes it to the recycling." |
| 20:42.19 | jasta | and walked off. it was awesome ;) |
| 20:42.24 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:42.57 | lummie | ol |
| 20:42.59 | lummie | lol |
| 20:43.11 | lummie | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.21 | Dougie187 | they get you sometimes. |
| 20:43.35 | Dougie187 | I am not use to this keyboard yet, so I have to type a lot more carefully. |
| 20:43.49 | Dougie187 | though i tend not to.and then i misspell a lot of things. |
| 20:43.57 | Dougie187 | or replace spaces with periods. |
| 20:44.57 | lummie | I've borrowed a mac book, whilst my acer is off for repair... |
| 20:45.13 | lummie | keyboard is a night mare. stupid apple key.. |
| 20:45.17 | Dougie187 | im borrowing my wifes laptop while mine is off to repair |
| 20:45.28 | Dougie187 | heh its kinda like how people complain about windows keys |
| 20:45.38 | lummie | took me hours to type a html color as theres no # key |
| 20:45.52 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 20:45.52 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:45.53 | lummie | nah this is so different |
| 20:46.06 | Dougie187 | just in regards to the apple key |
| 20:46.09 | lummie | selecting text is a night mare... |
| 20:46.31 | Dougie187 | there is no delete key either, so if you do bootcamp its a pain in the ass to do ctrl+alt+del |
| 20:46.33 | lummie | fn ctrl alt apple left cursor or somethign like |
| 20:46.39 | lummie | oh yeah |
| 20:46.42 | Dougie187 | since the "delete" key acts as backspace |
| 20:47.13 | lummie | I would say "don't get me started" but you already have.... |
| 20:47.14 | Dougie187 | and i hate the single click |
| 20:47.18 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:48.19 | lummie | not complaining (too much) though as It's better than nothing |
| 20:48.33 | Dougie187 | true. |
| 20:48.38 | lummie | I miss ubuntu though... |
| 20:48.44 | Dougie187 | me too |
| 20:48.49 | Dougie187 | thats what i was saying earlier. |
| 20:48.53 | Dougie187 | but at least yours is unix based. |
| 20:49.11 | lummie | ish...... |
| 20:49.19 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 20:49.23 | Dougie187 | im stuck with windows. |
| 20:49.34 | Dougie187 | what would you rather have? |
| 20:49.47 | lummie | my laptop back... |
| 20:49.56 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:50.08 | Dougie187 | im going to try to convert my family into ubuntu users. |
| 20:50.13 | Dougie187 | i think im getting my mom to do it first. |
| 20:50.23 | Dougie187 | my wife has already started to use it, but wont let me put it on her laptop |
| 20:50.26 | lummie | it came back from acer repair last friday with a nice 3 inch scratch across the middle of the screen that wasn't there when I sent it! |
| 20:50.38 | Dougie187 | yikes. |
| 20:50.47 | Dougie187 | im hoping to get a new laptop out of it. |
| 20:50.47 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:50.50 | Dougie187 | mine is 2.5 years old. |
| 20:50.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am running 8.04.... i like it |
| 20:50.57 | Dougie187 | and they dont make these anymore |
| 20:51.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | just a few crashes every now and again |
| 20:51.11 | lummie | yeah mine is a couple of years, but it's got a bit of life in it yet. |
| 20:51.15 | Dougie187 | i was using 8.04 before i sent it in |
| 20:51.19 | Dougie187 | mine does too |
| 20:51.20 | lummie | if only I had $25,000 |
| 20:51.23 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:51.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 20:51.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | well, after taxes even if you win you won't have that! |
| 20:51.41 | Dougie187 | then you could get yourself a new one. |
| 20:51.50 | jerkface03 | a new what? |
| 20:51.52 | lummie | no taxes to pay here.... :) |
| 20:51.54 | Dougie187 | whats the tax rate on a prize? |
| 20:51.55 | michaelnovakjr__ | how come? |
| 20:51.56 | jerkface03 | a new crack and prostitute habit? |
| 20:52.07 | jerkface03 | isn't it 50% in the states? |
| 20:52.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | f*** government |
| 20:52.19 | lummie | uk there's not tax as long it isn't part of your job |
| 20:52.20 | Dougie187 | and... jerkface lives up to his name. |
| 20:52.20 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:52.22 | Dougie187 | jk |
| 20:52.27 | jerkface03 | i think winnings don't get taxed here (cdn) |
| 20:52.40 | michaelnovakjr__ | i think i just became british |
| 20:52.50 | lummie | is spending it already.... |
| 20:52.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | that is not good :( |
| 20:53.00 | lummie | Cup of tea dear... |
| 20:53.03 | Dougie187 | k i think its time to cook dinner |
| 20:53.11 | Dougie187 | yeah you can sure run yourself into a lot of debt. |
| 20:53.15 | Dougie187 | spending 25k before you have it |
| 20:53.16 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:53.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | :0 |
| 20:53.21 | lummie | michaelnovakjr: tell you get the cheque made out to me.... |
| 20:53.25 | Dougie187 | hope you dont do that for phase two |
| 20:53.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea 275,000 is a lot to pay off |
| 20:53.41 | lummie | lol |
| 20:53.49 | Dougie187 | anyways |
| 20:53.51 | Dougie187 | time to cook |
| 20:53.53 | Dougie187 | talk to you guys later |
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| 20:53.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | later |
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| 21:16.20 | jasta | i already have a plan for the money if i win. |
| 21:16.27 | jasta | i'm putting it toward a house |
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| 21:23.00 | jasta | davidw: yeah, what the hell is the deal with needing my address for this? |
| 21:27.12 | jasta | maybe to send us the book in print? |
| 21:36.34 | jerkface03 | davidw is writing a book, is he? |
| 21:36.40 | jerkface03 | way to keep a secret jasta ;) |
| 21:36.42 | donomo | speaking of books http://pragprog.com/titles/eband/hello-android |
| 21:40.25 | romainguy_ | you guys should hope we dno't change the APIs too much after the books are written :)) |
| 21:43.08 | jasta | jerkface03: no |
| 21:43.23 | jasta | romainguy_: yeah, i actually think writing books on Android at this stage is really unwise. |
| 21:44.03 | jasta | jerkface03: the planetandroid dude is writing a book and wanted to send all of us an advance copy to review. |
| 21:44.56 | jasta | i've read the first chapter and it seems geared for a novice audience, unfamiliar with Java and possibly programming in general. |
| 21:45.01 | jasta | which is the wrong audience to target ;) |
| 21:45.39 | jerkface03 | so it's not just a copy&paste job of the examples on code.google.com/android? |
| 21:46.30 | jasta | no, are those examples written that way as well? |
| 21:47.34 | jasta | the android samples to me seem like they are targeting folks already familiar with java. they don't explain much about the non-android bits. |
| 21:48.00 | jasta | this guy's book, on the other hand, goes into things like why you need <?xml ...?> at the beginning your layout files and such. |
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| 22:13.03 | davidw | not my book:-) |
| 22:13.24 | davidw | it's someone's broken billing system that requires a mailing address to hand out free pdf's |
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| 22:34.17 | jasta | lame :) |
| 22:37.37 | Dougie187 | lol |