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| 19:38.25 | aeryndunham | hey friends |
| 19:41.09 | romanovic | good afternoon! |
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| 19:47.14 | aeryndunham | romanovic: how are you? |
| 19:48.59 | romanovic | good! but stuck. can't figure out a gradle build file for this Java project. |
| 19:49.05 | romanovic | aeryndunham: how's confluence? |
| 19:49.12 | aeryndunham | ugh |
| 19:49.36 | aeryndunham | I got everything done that I could over the weekend |
| 19:49.54 | aeryndunham | today I'm not allowed to leave a room just in case a thing I only kind of know how to support breaks |
| 19:50.01 | aeryndunham | and I've basically done nothing all day |
| 19:54.32 | resplin | Early in my career I spent months monitoring a build system because the localization would break at random times and it had to be restarted. So painful! |
| 19:54.46 | resplin | But it did give me time to learn how to code around the problem. |
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| 19:58.42 | aeryndunham | oh my, we had a demo today for some CFO, and stop #1 was in the briefing room to talk about financial systems, and everyone has been working their butts off getting all the stuff for the demo to work, but they've now spent so long in briefing room the CFO has cancelled the rest |
| 19:58.55 | aeryndunham | one guy has worked so hard fixing a merge problem he looks near in tears |
| 19:59.56 | resplin | That is so frustrating. |
| 20:02.06 | aeryndunham | I mean, the stuff needs to work in general, not just today, but still |
| 20:13.12 | aeryndunham | i tossed around the idea of going to church yesterday but then I woke up at 11am >.> |
| 20:19.37 | resplin | Yesterday was my last Sunday of late church before we move to the early schedule. We actually made it to church on time! |
| 20:20.10 | aeryndunham | my family is not morning people |
| 20:20.11 | resplin | Over the course of the year, we probably made it to church on time 5 times. Which is a record for us. I'll miss 1 PM church. |
| 20:20.28 | aeryndunham | I don't think my mom would ever make it mass if Saturday afternoon wasn't an option |
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| 20:20.47 | resplin | My wife is committed to us being on time next Sunday, so we start the 9AM schedule with a win. |
| 20:20.52 | resplin | But I'm not optimistic. |
| 20:20.54 | aeryndunham | yeah here is 9am |
| 20:21.05 | aeryndunham | I think they at some point switch with the Spanish ward which starts at 11 |
| 20:21.05 | resplin | Do multiple wards share the building? |
| 20:21.09 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 20:21.18 | resplin | Do they rotate who gets which schedule? |
| 20:21.26 | aeryndunham | they told me the two rotate yearly |
| 20:22.03 | resplin | Some areas switch with the school year (September), others with the calendar year (January). |
| 20:22.12 | aeryndunham | ahh |
| 20:22.12 | resplin | So a couple of more months and you'll be done with 9AM. |
| 20:23.31 | aeryndunham | I mean. That's mye excuse for now. I'm sure when it's at 11 I'll have another one. |
| 20:24.12 | aeryndunham | I think I made a mistake in admitting that I wasn't a member; I should have pretended I was just visiting, would have been less hubbub around my being there |
| 20:24.30 | aeryndunham | and I actually think I know enough that I could have faked it pretty well :p |
| 20:24.35 | aeryndunham | (but lying is wrong so) |
| 20:25.21 | resplin | lol |
| 20:25.49 | aeryndunham | The ward is waaaay to small to blend |
| 20:26.01 | aeryndunham | the 2nd week I went literally everyone knew who I was |
| 20:26.25 | resplin | I didn't realize that you had been twice. |
| 20:26.28 | resplin | That's great. |
| 20:26.31 | aeryndunham | yeah, I went two weeks in a row |
| 20:26.34 | aeryndunham | this was.... a while back thouh |
| 20:26.38 | aeryndunham | 2nd week was Easter |
| 20:27.26 | resplin | When I'm at our UK office, I usually attend the same ward. I've been there 2-ish times a year for the last 5 years. No one remembers me. |
| 20:27.31 | resplin | And it isn't even a big ward. |
| 20:27.45 | resplin | I guess I just leave that kind of impression. |
| 20:27.48 | aeryndunham | hah |
| 20:28.13 | aeryndunham | maybe i'll make it this sunday since I get 2 other days to sleep in this weekend |
| 20:28.30 | aeryndunham | (and yes, I'm still doing that thing where I only debate going when Chris isn't here) |
| 20:28.45 | aeryndunham | which is silly of me |
| 20:30.37 | aeryndunham | he would 100% think I've lost my mind, definitely, but its not like he'd be angry |
| 20:32.49 | resplin | When I was getting married, my Bishop said "the trouble with marriage is that every woman expects her husband to change, and every guy wants his wife to stay the same forever. And neither person meets that expectation." I think that's true for every long term relationship. grin |
| 20:33.07 | aeryndunham | there actually isn't much I'd want to change about him |
| 20:33.15 | aeryndunham | even if I thought I coul |
| 20:33.16 | aeryndunham | could |
| 20:34.25 | resplin | Give it time. hee hee |
| 20:34.30 | aeryndunham | hah |
| 20:35.17 | resplin | Seriously though, it's a good opportunity for you both to learn more about each other. I constantly amazed about how my wife surprises me, but over the years it is easy to get in routines and stop discovering together. |
| 20:35.50 | aeryndunham | Or, I guess, there are things about him that wouldn't be characteristics of the "ideal man" but he is who he is and obviously I'm a fan |
| 20:36.06 | aeryndunham | it's been four years so |
| 20:36.17 | resplin | That's a great attitude. I don't want my attempts at humor to distract from that. |
| 20:36.20 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 20:36.45 | aeryndunham | I WOULD like to get married, but I do think that we will eventually |
| 20:37.07 | klys | sounds nice |
| 20:38.06 | aeryndunham | I know that everyone tells me I'm wrong but I don't think it'd really change very much. I still just want to. |
| 20:38.35 | klys | so, how long has this been going on? |
| 20:38.41 | resplin | Tells you that you are wrong about what? |
| 20:38.59 | aeryndunham | Oh, people like to tell me being married would be way different than what we have going on now |
| 20:39.04 | aeryndunham | but... I don't think it would? |
| 20:39.23 | resplin | I think it depends on what you are measuring. |
| 20:40.05 | aeryndunham | maybe |
| 20:40.11 | resplin | There comes a time in a relationship where your lives are so intertwined that a separation would be as complicated as a divorce. |
| 20:40.53 | resplin | I appreciate that my wife and I sat down in advance of that time and decided we were going to make everything official. When hard times come, it has helped me to have made that commitment. |
| 20:41.06 | resplin | And I think it helps to know together that both of you have made that commitment. |
| 20:41.28 | resplin | There are social and religious aspects as well, but it's that mutual decision that I find most beneficial. |
| 20:41.41 | resplin | Well maybe not most, but in a practical sense it is what comes up the most. |
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| 20:41.51 | resplin | maybe not most beneficial |
| 20:41.57 | aeryndunham | that makes sense |
| 20:46.39 | resplin | How life klys? |
| 20:48.17 | klys | nice |
| 20:48.55 | klys | I've been working on compiling winedos since I ported the makefiles for hx-dos extender to work on linux with openwatcom |
| 20:49.19 | resplin | Is that your day job or your hobby project? |
| 20:49.46 | klys | it's a personal project, as, if you want anything done right you got to do it yourself |
| 20:50.42 | klys | my intentions surround a working version of qemu/sdl that runs on winedos/hx-dos extender. |
| 20:51.00 | klys | I'd like to get qemu working in 320bit real mode |
| 20:51.06 | klys | 32-bit* |
| 20:52.07 | klys | so far I have an emx that runs my program in 32-bit real mode, and a port of libx86 to emx |
| 20:52.58 | resplin | Why do you want a virtualization layer inside of an emulation layer? |
| 20:53.15 | resplin | suspects he just exposed his ignorance about qemu and winedos. |
| 20:53.34 | klys | I want to put the virtualization layer where the emulation layer is, and integrate it. |
| 20:53.39 | resplin | Actually, I'm confusing winedos with dosbox |
| 20:53.55 | resplin | What will that allow that can't be done today? |
| 20:54.07 | klys | "hibernate to dos" |
| 20:54.26 | klys | debugging from dos |
| 20:55.11 | klys | the qemu is 64-bit emulation |
| 20:55.54 | klys | so for example if I run xen/qemu, and dom0 is debian/arch, and dom1 is another dos... |
| 20:56.20 | klys | then I can look at the kernel from the outside and the inside at the same time |
| 20:56.37 | klys | that's mostly wishful thinking at this point |
| 20:57.11 | resplin | Are you trying to get old software working in dos, or are you writing new stuff for that environment? |
| 20:57.45 | klys | I'm trying to get winedos compiled recently. and I do have some new ideas for stuff to write |
| 20:58.19 | klys | like memory management code, a parser, and a c header parser for linking my parse to existig c libraries |
| 20:59.41 | klys | I don't want an unorganized C library at the base. everything will be organized into app/ dat/ net/ sys/ etc/ doc/ src/ |
| 21:02.51 | klys | well my c header parser is on github, as of now it compiles to debug output only, though it compiles most headers |
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| 21:03.42 | klys | hi |
| 21:05.28 | resplin | Seems like a complex project. |
| 21:06.10 | klys | it is somewhat multifaceted, mostly because qemu is so new, even though I'm using qemu 0.9 at the moment |
| 21:07.46 | klys | so there are a few directions I could go in, for example porting newer versions of qemu |
| 21:08.43 | klys | or portng qemu as it stands to djgpp instead of hx-dos |
| 21:09.09 | klys | djgpp is kind of the missing link between emx and hx-dos |
| 21:09.58 | resplin | You lost me. |
| 21:10.12 | resplin | But that's ok. It sounds like you are having fun with the challenge. |
| 21:10.16 | klys | there are various dos extenders you can get for 32-bit pmode |
| 21:10.44 | klys | emx is an older solution that works with vcpi. djgp has gcc710 and works with dpmi |
| 21:11.01 | klys | and hx-dos is supposed to run win32 programs |
| 21:11.39 | klys | what I did with emx is break paging and segmentation and put the processor in 32-bit real-mode |
| 21:12.08 | klys | what I'm doing with hx-dos is already working code, just that the author is no longer around |
| 21:13.14 | klys | and I haven't done anything with djgpp recently. last time I used it for anything, I was using allegro to draw on the screen,. |
| 21:13.57 | klys | well, hx-dos is supposed to have some djgpp compatibility (compile with djgpp and use hxdpmi to run) |
| 21:14.29 | klys | and emx is kind of a predecessor to djgpp |
| 21:15.43 | klys | vcpi is something you can use pmode with thanks to your ems driver |
| 21:16.18 | klys | and dpmi is something you can use pmode with for example under windows or dosemu |
| 21:16.41 | klys | dpmi is more complex, which means djgpp's go32 extender is more complex. |
| 21:17.44 | klys | I prefer vcpi and that's why I was working with emx in the first place |
| 23:18.35 | romanovic | resplin: wow I've never heard of church schedules changing with the school year. I've only ever changed at the new year, except when wards split in the middle of the year |
| 23:31.53 | resplin | romanovic: Our Stake has always done it this way, and about half the members dislike it. But we rotate mutual nights in the building at the same time. |