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03:43.24 | vendu | hey starshine? :) |
03:45.50 | starshine | ello dere |
03:46.04 | vendu | hehe |
03:46.07 | vendu | how's it going?:) |
03:46.14 | starshine | better than earlier... |
03:46.58 | starshine | I'm having a mocha, reading an exam book on techie goodness, and enjoying some cool jazz that's not too horribly repeittetietietive ;P |
03:47.18 | starshine | I almost feel human again. |
03:47.47 | vendu | hehe |
03:47.48 | vendu | cool :) |
03:47.54 | vendu | starshine: i feel like an idiot :) |
03:47.59 | starshine | howso? |
03:48.05 | vendu | i'm attempting to fix some bugs in rterm i thought i fixed ages ago :) |
03:48.22 | starshine | oh |
03:48.24 | starshine | ok |
03:48.26 | vendu | hehe |
03:48.29 | vendu | well |
03:48.36 | starshine | forgot to check em in eh? |
03:48.42 | vendu | was being sorta humorous, but this does get annoying at times :) |
03:49.13 | vendu | starshine: i don't do repositories :P |
03:50.17 | starshine | oh ok |
03:50.24 | vendu | hehe |
03:50.26 | vendu | well |
03:50.36 | vendu | this might be something related to the massive revamp of the code base :) |
03:50.38 | starshine | I recall my first sense of source control was 'use up a gig drive with copies' |
03:50.50 | starshine | back when a gig drive was an utter rarity it was funnier to say that |
03:52.21 | vendu | :) |
03:52.34 | vendu | starshine: i had a 300-meg disk around '89, it ruled =) |
03:52.42 | vendu | it was much bigger than any of my friends had :P |
03:53.55 | starshine | <backinmyday>I knew someone who was forced to use a given OS cuz it was the only one that would handle a 10 meg drive</backinmyday> |
03:54.25 | JonathanD | amazing. |
03:54.43 | vendu | starshine: :) |
03:54.54 | vendu | starshine: so i take it you've turned 21 quite a few times :P |
03:54.58 | vendu | =) |
03:55.00 | JonathanD | egads |
03:55.04 | vendu | sorry for my bad humor :) |
03:55.08 | vendu | i'm 34 myself |
03:55.28 | vendu | brb, getting coffee :) |
03:55.38 | starshine | vendu: I appear to have completely missed the chance to be a freewheeling teenager, several times |
03:57.06 | vendu | :P |
03:57.36 | JonathanD | I've only missed it once. |
03:57.49 | JonathanD | tough to freewheel with an infant :P |
03:58.00 | JonathanD | but I still have my midlife crisis to look forward to! |
04:01.08 | vendu | starshine: :( |
04:01.32 | vendu | jonathand: the thing about having only one life is that you don't have to not have one but only once :) |
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04:35.17 | JKnife | and what is reincarnation is real? |
04:35.24 | JKnife | s/is/if/ |
04:35.39 | JKnife | then you would have many chances |
04:35.41 | JKnife | vendu, ^ |
04:36.23 | vendu | :) |
04:36.28 | vendu | jknife: hehe |
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05:28.30 | JKnife | what is a good light weight photo manager for Linux that uses GTK? |
05:29.50 | starshine | um |
05:30.03 | starshine | fvwm uses gtk if you insist, but it doesn't really |
05:30.16 | starshine | it's light mainly because you leave out modules you don't want. |
05:30.24 | starshine | I believe 'amaterus' was a gtk wm |
05:31.30 | JKnife | photo manager not window manager |
05:31.30 | JKnife | :3 |
05:32.07 | starshine | oohhhh |
05:32.15 | starshine | nvm me |
05:32.18 | starshine | ;P |
05:32.19 | JKnife | :) |
05:32.22 | JKnife | it is ok |
05:32.26 | JKnife | ~hug starshine |
05:32.26 | jbot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs starshine |
05:33.36 | starshine | good bot, have a donut |
05:34.04 | JKnife | the bot does my bidding :D |
05:34.23 | JKnife | ? |
05:34.25 | JKnife | whats wrong? |
05:35.04 | starshine | lack of compassion == bug |
05:35.10 | starshine | not here |
05:35.14 | starshine | somewhere else |
05:35.24 | starshine | I have no good way to evade dealing with it |
05:35.32 | JKnife | :\ |
05:35.35 | starshine | except to evade dealing with other things that I ought to |
05:35.42 | starshine | it.. distresses me |
05:37.05 | starshine | I don't think I have any good answer left available to me :( |
05:38.14 | starshine | heh |
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10:01.01 | L4m3r | >_> |
10:01.05 | L4m3r | isn't it a bit late? |
10:03.41 | QuantumBeep | !!! |
10:03.43 | unic0rn | :P |
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14:45.48 | tonyyarusso | Odd tidbit of the day: it's probably a really good thing I have a loft bed, and therefore am far away from items in my room |
14:46.14 | tonyyarusso | I think I was pretty close to sleep-calling one of my friends around 4am today while I was dreaming |
14:46.38 | tonyyarusso | That would have been awkward to explain... :S "Uh, it was a normal time in the dream..." |
14:51.58 | inchworm | hehe |
14:52.07 | JonathanD | my laptop won't turn on. |
14:52.28 | inchworm | ? |
14:52.34 | inchworm | ! |
14:52.35 | JonathanD | it be dead. |
14:52.45 | JonathanD | charge light won't come on |
14:52.48 | JonathanD | and it won't power on |
14:52.50 | inchworm | overnight, it gave up the ghost? |
14:52.59 | JonathanD | seems so. |
14:53.11 | inchworm | hmm, did someone steal the battery overnight? |
14:53.16 | JonathanD | no |
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14:53.22 | JonathanD | it's been acting dorky for a couple days |
14:53.34 | JonathanD | turning off on it's own |
14:53.42 | inchworm | hrmph |
14:53.42 | JonathanD | being reluctant to turn back on. |
14:54.01 | JonathanD | time to ask the boss for a new one! |
14:54.16 | inchworm | heh |
14:54.37 | inchworm | wonder if the laptop could be repaired easily or if it's something like a crack in a board internally |
14:54.48 | JonathanD | it's still under warrenty |
14:54.56 | JonathanD | but barely so, so I wonder if they will play games with me. |
14:55.15 | JonathanD | meanwhile, theres a couple spares around |
14:55.53 | inchworm | hmm |
14:56.07 | inchworm | playing games with warrenties is a good way to lose customers... |
14:56.19 | inchworm | so i'd say no, and let them prove me wrong :) |
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15:02.32 | JonathanD | inchworm: on the other hand, I wouldn't mind a dual core... :P |
15:02.41 | JonathanD | with that semi-decent nvidia graphics card. |
15:03.21 | JonathanD | also, while XP is still an option. |
15:05.49 | inchworm | true |
15:09.49 | JonathanD | so, we may just place a bulk order for the 6 people due for replacement this year. |
15:09.53 | JonathanD | before Jan. |
15:19.01 | inchworm | reasonable |
15:19.08 | inchworm | how long did it last at least? |
15:19.13 | inchworm | only one year? |
15:19.17 | inchworm | three years? |
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15:27.18 | JonathanD | 2.5 |
15:30.45 | inchworm | guess that isn't too bad for a laptop |
15:35.03 | tonyyarusso | I'd love to pick up a nice System76 though. |
15:43.25 | inchworm | those do look nice |
15:43.52 | inchworm | kinda pricy though |
15:44.05 | inchworm | maybe you have to spend that to get good hardware that works.. |
16:00.20 | JonathanD | amazing. |
16:00.35 | JonathanD | ubuntu detected my network printer. |
16:00.38 | JonathanD | and it just works. |
16:10.56 | inchworm | hehe |
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16:41.48 | JonathanD | just specd out my next laptop :) |
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17:37.38 | jenda | SportChick: thanks! |
17:37.53 | jenda | SportChick: actually, it's the 7th day of Chanukka today ;) |
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17:55.45 | awilcox | JonathanD: 8) my laptop's power cord acted freaky a few years ago, turned out the motherboard power connector solder had came loose. quick PCB replacement, and everything was nice again :) |
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18:19.13 | awilcox | hmm |
18:19.28 | awilcox | I wonder if I can execute programs and parse their output in Perl. |
18:20.22 | deryni | If the application dumps to stdout or stderr, sure. |
18:21.11 | awilcox | deryni: yep, stdout |
18:21.27 | awilcox | The other problem is I have no idea how to create an SSH identity file to run the command remotely. |
18:21.40 | awilcox | ...*must Google more* |
18:21.52 | deryni | You mean an ssh key? |
18:22.24 | awilcox | Honestly, I have no idea. |
18:22.31 | awilcox | I mean what you pass to ssh with -i |
18:22.43 | awilcox | the manpage calls it an identity file, so that's what I'm Googling. |
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18:23.35 | deryni | Yeah, that's an ssh key. |
18:23.43 | awilcox | Okay then, that's what I need :) |
18:23.58 | deryni | ssh-keygen |
18:24.06 | awilcox | ooh, nice |
18:24.16 | awilcox | passphrase? |
18:24.26 | awilcox | I assume this has nothing to do with my login password. |
18:24.59 | deryni | It doesn't. |
18:25.06 | deryni | It is the passphrase for the key. |
18:25.18 | awilcox | do I have to enter it every time I log in? |
18:25.26 | deryni | It can be empty for a key that needs to be used 'headless' though that carries obvious security implications. |
18:25.40 | awilcox | yes, headless is the point. |
18:25.41 | deryni | You need to enter it everytime you use the key, unless you use an ssh-agent. |
18:26.00 | awilcox | it's staying on my private box. |
18:26.03 | deryni | With an ssh-agent you enter it once per 'session'. |
18:26.24 | awilcox | This ssh command is going into an irssi script. |
18:26.49 | awilcox | I don't know if I can give it a passphrase or not. Obviously typing it into an IRC client leads to the chance that I spill it all over freenode. |
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18:30.28 | awilcox | argh, the cause of my low disk space condition has been found! an old Kubuntu ISO. |
18:31.37 | awilcox | ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory |
18:31.37 | awilcox | Permission denied, please try again. |
18:31.37 | awilcox | ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory |
18:31.37 | awilcox | Permission denied, please try again. |
18:31.37 | awilcox | ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory |
18:31.39 | awilcox | Permission denied (publickey,password). |
18:31.43 | awilcox | ! |
18:31.48 | awilcox | I didn't paste that. |
18:35.31 | awilcox | this isn't working; it's still asking me for my login password when I do "ssh -i <the file> andreww@10.0.1.4" |
18:37.43 | deryni | Did you add the key to the authorized_keys file on that host? |
18:38.57 | awilcox | >_> I didn't read that in any manual I read. |
18:39.59 | deryni | You add the public key from your local machine to authorized_keys on the remote machine. |
18:42.22 | awilcox | ~/.ssh/authorized_keys doesn't exist, do I just mv id_rsa.pub .ssh/authorized_keys ? |
18:42.56 | deryni | On the remote host with a copy of id_rsa.pub, yes. |
18:42.59 | awilcox | then when I need to add more, cat new_public_key>>~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
18:43.01 | awilcox | ? |
18:43.08 | deryni | As far as I know, yes. |
18:43.10 | awilcox | Alright. |
18:43.37 | awilcox | It's still asking for a password =/ |
18:44.32 | deryni | You need to make sure you have key auth turned on in sshd, though I think that should be on by default most places. |
18:44.37 | awilcox | sh-3.1$ ssh -i <the private rsa key> andreww@10.0.1.4 echo it worked |
18:44.44 | awilcox | andreww@10.0.1.4's password: |
18:44.49 | deryni | And you did set up authorized_keys for the correct user, right? |
18:44.54 | awilcox | deryni: it's a new Debian Etch install. |
18:45.30 | awilcox | deryni: ...on the REMOTE machine!? |
18:45.33 | awilcox | >_> |
18:45.56 | awilcox | ssh: echo: Name or service not known |
18:45.59 | deryni | Yes, the remote machine needs to know about the key you want to use, otherwise how else could it authenticate you? |
18:45.59 | awilcox | O_O |
18:46.11 | awilcox | ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory |
18:46.11 | awilcox | Permission denied, please try again. |
18:46.11 | awilcox | ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory |
18:46.11 | awilcox | Permission denied, please try again. |
18:46.11 | awilcox | ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory |
18:46.13 | awilcox | Permission denied (publickey,password). |
18:46.18 | awilcox | ...why does it keep doing that. |
18:46.23 | awilcox | it works outside of irssi. |
18:46.44 | awilcox | thank you deryni, this is being echoed from ssh. |
18:46.48 | awilcox | \o/! |
18:47.05 | awilcox | exec -o > * ;) |
18:47.15 | awilcox | Now I can make my irssi script. |
18:47.18 | deryni | If irssi is triggering that then I think that means it isn't using your key correctly, but I'm not 100% sure. |
18:47.32 | awilcox | yeah I forgot to specify a username, deryni, I fixed it now :) |
18:47.40 | awilcox | Thank you very very much for all your help. |
18:47.56 | deryni | No problem. |
18:48.00 | awilcox | Now I get to experience the "thrill" of making an irssi script. |
18:48.10 | deryni | What are you scripting? |
18:49.14 | awilcox | Promise not to lart me? a now playing script that uses ssh to connect to my remote media player |
18:49.31 | awilcox | there are times where /nowplaying comes in handy... |
18:50.05 | awilcox | I've already tested all the interfaces, and I've got it to work on the command line. |
18:50.10 | deryni | So it is going to ssh in to the remote machine and run 'music_player --get-info' and then dump that to the channel? Essentially. |
18:51.52 | awilcox | well, echo $(dcop --user andreww amarok player title) by $(dcop --user andreww amarok player artist) |
18:52.19 | awilcox | a little nicer than dumping all info to a channel :) |
18:53.00 | awilcox | I could just alias it, but I'd like to be able to do like /nowplaying --album or /nowplaying --with-time |
18:53.19 | deryni | Right. |
18:57.17 | deryni | I'm assuming you can't make remote dcop queries? |
18:57.46 | awilcox | Hmm. |
18:58.01 | awilcox | Not according to khelpcenter. |
18:59.15 | awilcox | Nope, you can't make remote dcop queries. That's actually kinda dumb. |
18:59.56 | deryni | It makes sense, but is unfortunate. |
19:00.01 | awilcox | hmm, I'm thinking. why not add --play, --pause, --stop, et cetera? It's all dcop-accessible, and it adds some functionality. |
19:00.37 | awilcox | but in reality, only the need-to-haves get written in :P |
19:01.31 | awilcox | Now the question is, how do I write this stupid thing? I have no idea how to execute programs from within Perl, nor do I know how to script for irssi. |
19:01.55 | deryni | Do you want to write this yourself? Or should I tell you about the amarok_ssh script I just found for irssi? =) |
19:02.30 | awilcox | lol. I guess I should Google for the script I want *before* I start prewriting it. |
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19:03.20 | awilcox | well obviously I had a good idea considering someone else already wrote it. |
19:04.03 | awilcox | ...it even has play/pause/stop functionality! |
19:04.04 | deryni | It is on the irssi scripts page, but it doesn't support using -i to ssh, so you'd need to hack that in, make the key your default key, or use the ~/.ssh/config file for it. |
19:05.03 | awilcox | Oh teh noes. The comments are in German. |
19:05.24 | deryni | Not all of them. =) |
19:05.49 | awilcox | hmm, my great-grandmother was German, I should be able to figure this out. |
19:06.15 | deryni | The help text is English and that looks to be about all you need. |
19:06.59 | awilcox | hmm |
19:07.22 | awilcox | the hacker in me wants to set the IP to "-i <key> andreww@10.0.1.4" |
19:07.40 | deryni | Nice. |
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19:10.39 | awilcox | um. I hope that didn't make it through to the channel. |
19:10.59 | awilcox | deryni: you don't see a 15-line message about remote host identification, right? |
19:11.06 | deryni | Nope. |
19:11.15 | awilcox | good. |
19:11.24 | awilcox | Um. Someone is doing something nasty? |
19:14.16 | awilcox | :( I am such a noob with ssh. |
19:14.22 | awilcox | this is what I see. http://rafb.net/p/Fc93qX52.html |
19:15.06 | deryni | The ssh key for the remote host changed since ssh first saw it and you accepted it. |
19:15.11 | awilcox | It looks like it's trying to ssh to localhost O.o |
19:15.22 | deryni | If that is ok, follow the directions it gives you. |
19:15.43 | awilcox | deryni: um. Do keys randomly change while openssh-server is running? |
19:15.46 | deryni | And yeah, it looks like it might be trying localhost. |
19:15.57 | deryni | I don't believe they should, no. |
19:16.28 | deryni | What host is on line 13 of known_hosts? |
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19:17.06 | awilcox | deryni: the whole known_hosts file is a bunch of encrypted "garble" |
19:17.27 | deryni | Bah, I hate that ssh new default. |
19:17.29 | deryni | Hold on. |
19:17.37 | awilcox | Okay. |
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19:18.52 | awilcox | ~lart ssh for being so complex |
19:18.52 | jbot | blasts ssh to oblivion with a kamehameha wave for being so complex |
19:18.53 | deryni | Try 'ssh-keygen -F localhost' and 'ssh-keygen -F 10.0.1.4' and see if either of those is on line 13. |
19:19.06 | awilcox | O_O |
19:19.23 | awilcox | # Host localhost found: line 13 type RSA |
19:20.25 | awilcox | 14:06 amarok_ssh_client = -i <key filename censored because I'm paranoid> andreww@10.0.1.4 |
19:21.03 | deryni | Did you keep $HOME around over a machine reinstall? |
19:21.23 | awilcox | deryni: no, I always back up the /home partition and erase it |
19:21.37 | awilcox | out of "fear" that something like this will happen |
19:21.47 | awilcox | the only thing I copy back is .fvwm |
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19:22.31 | deryni | Because that could cause a stale localhost key entry. Regardless, since you aren't trying to connect to localhost you should fix whatever is trying to do that and you can delete line 13 if you feel like it. "ssh-keygen -R localhost" Which will remove all keys for localhost from known_hosts. |
19:22.41 | awilcox | okay |
19:22.58 | awilcox | deryni: it's just...strange...because ssh'ing to localhost has caused this before |
19:23.09 | awilcox | it seems to change its key every time it is rebooted |
19:23.21 | deryni | You can also turn off hashed hostnames in the ssh config if you don't want them, I do that because my wm supports ssh host completion and not de-hashing. |
19:23.47 | awilcox | your _wm_ supports completion? |
19:23.51 | awilcox | you don't mean shell? |
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19:24.00 | deryni | I meant wm. |
19:24.28 | deryni | Though my shell does also. |
19:24.59 | awilcox | unless...have they finally made an X ssh client? |
19:25.26 | deryni | No, it spawns my terminal and runs ssh for me. |
19:25.40 | deryni | But the completion comes in my wm 'ssh' query. |
19:25.54 | awilcox | Wow. |
19:26.30 | awilcox | >_> I don't see where "CLIENTCRAP" is opened or closed. |
19:27.09 | awilcox | Oooh, I wonder if I need to escape the filename. |
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19:27.24 | deryni | CLIENTCRAP should be an irssi level |
19:28.16 | awilcox | augh! how do I make it re(draw?) the bar? |
19:28.40 | deryni | Though I didn't know that the levels worked as print targets like that. |
19:28.45 | deryni | ctrl-l? |
19:29.12 | awilcox | deryni: thank you :) |
19:29.21 | Slynderdale | Hmm, anyone here know of a good CMS software written in PHP? Something really easy to use but customizable? |
19:29.42 | awilcox | Slynderdale: I wrote one if your definition of CMS is the same as mine |
19:29.43 | orange | wordpress |
19:29.57 | awilcox | Slynderdale: How do you define CMS? |
19:30.35 | Slynderdale | content management software? ;p Basicly a front end for a website and possibly intergrating them with PHPBB |
19:31.57 | awilcox | Slynderdale: well, mine simply reads a list of top-level nav items from a mysql database, and makes a little table for them at the top of the page (or alternatively, I hacked left-navibar-using-CSS support in) |
19:32.35 | tonyyarusso | Slynderdale: I've also been looking for one, and leaning towards Drupal. |
19:32.48 | tonyyarusso | Joomla also seems to be highly regarded |
19:33.38 | awilcox | :S |
19:33.59 | awilcox | my monitor is sort of strange...it's powered off now and things are still clinging to it |
19:34.26 | awilcox | and it's not just clinging to the glass, but to the whole case of the monitor |
19:34.41 | awilcox | I have some pieces of paper under the monitor that is gravitating. |
19:34.45 | Slynderdale | tonyyarusso: Joomla and Drupal seems to be the top two right now |
19:34.47 | awilcox | s/is/are/ |
19:35.00 | Slynderdale | tonyyarusso: http://www.alledia.com/blog/general-cms-issues/joomla-and-drupal-%11-which-one-is-right-for-you?/ |
19:35.08 | awilcox | is that, uh, normal? |
19:35.31 | tonyyarusso | Slynderdale: as I understand it, Drupal is more powerful, Joomla more "dummy-safe" |
19:36.45 | awilcox | hmm, I should prolly ask on ##hardware. |
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19:47.42 | tonyyarusso | Slynderdale: that's a restricted site, btw |
19:48.20 | Slynderdale | tonyyarusso: Restricted site? |
19:48.36 | tonyyarusso | requires registration |
19:49.21 | Slynderdale | tonyyarusso: Weird :/ Works for me |
19:49.32 | tonyyarusso | you must be logged in |
19:49.43 | Slynderdale | Nope, found the site via google |
19:50.50 | tonyyarusso | hmm, it seems to treat it by referrer |
19:50.59 | tonyyarusso | I just couldn't go directy to that page |
19:51.20 | orange | odd, I did |
19:51.28 | orange | and I'm definitely not registered there |
19:51.35 | Slynderdale | tonyyarusso: I can go directly to it ;p |
19:52.14 | tonyyarusso | maybe they hate comcast :P |
19:52.39 | Slynderdale | Ewwwww Comcast? |
19:52.51 | tonyyarusso | ya |
19:54.48 | JonathanD | doesn't everyone hate comcast? |
19:55.15 | tonyyarusso | yay cloak |
19:55.36 | JonathanD | there are no cloaks there :p |
19:56.00 | awilcox | tonyyarusso: http://76.26.0.123/alledia.png |
19:56.01 | tonyyarusso | hrm? |
19:56.06 | Slynderdale | I say we ban comcast fromm the interwebs |
19:56.10 | awilcox | that's what I get, just cut-and-paste from IRC |
19:56.20 | tonyyarusso | awilcox: yeah, I got there now |
19:56.25 | awilcox | Slynderdale: noooo :( |
19:57.03 | Slynderdale | http://slashdot.org/search.pl?query=comcast |
19:57.42 | Slynderdale | Haha "Comcast Sued Over P2P Blocking " |
19:58.21 | Slynderdale | ""According to a thread on the forums of AnimeSuki, a popular anime bittorent index site, Comcast has begun sending DCMA letters to customers downloading unlicensed fan-subtitled anime shows via bittorrent. By 'unlicensed', they mean that no english language company has the rights to it." |
19:58.23 | Slynderdale | Eww |
20:01.07 | Slynderdale | Though well, most ISPs in the US suck, Comcast just ranks the highest. |
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