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| 01:03.49 | awilcox | JonathanD! |
| 01:31.56 | awilcox | JonathanD: weekends are really bad for me |
| 01:32.16 | awilcox | I have had almost no free time since April between working and then forced weekend outings :/ |
| 01:32.43 | awilcox | anyways yes we need a database |
| 01:32.48 | awilcox | I have a test one on 76.26.0.123 |
| 01:32.52 | awilcox | the un/pw are the same |
| 01:32.58 | awilcox | but I haven't set up the account yet |
| 01:32.59 | awilcox | sorry |
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| 05:18.45 | Khalsa | ahoy there SportChick |
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| 05:18.55 | GreaseMonkey | OH NOES IT'S A HUG ATTACK |
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| 05:25.30 | awilcox | :D ! |
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| 05:29.31 | latexer | SportChick: how goes? |
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| 08:53.43 | RudyValencia | http://www.rudyvalencia.com/ |
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| 13:39.24 | CBG_ | Anyone here know the differences between sore throats, throat infections and tonsillitis? |
| 13:42.20 | menotume | webmd does |
| 13:43.30 | pleia2 | "sore throat" is just a symptom, can be caused by a zillion things |
| 13:43.44 | pleia2 | tonsillitis is caused by a bacteria |
| 13:45.47 | CBG | Well... I was thinking more in terms of what the different symptoms are. |
| 13:46.19 | pleia2 | with tonsillitis your tonsils get big :) |
| 13:46.32 | CBG | I read that tonsillitis causes the tonsils to be swollen and there may be white things around them... |
| 13:46.40 | pleia2 | yup |
| 13:46.48 | CBG | My tonsils don't look especially big, but I don't exactly have anything to compare them with... |
| 13:46.53 | CBG | They look red though. :/ |
| 13:47.02 | CBG | No white stuff. |
| 13:47.12 | pleia2 | you should just see a doctor, even tonsillitis can be treated with antibiotics and dealt with without having them removed if you catch it soon enough |
| 13:48.04 | pleia2 | I had it when I was a teenager, and still have my tonsils, antibiotics did the trick :) |
| 13:48.30 | CBG | I've had a sore throat for 2 weeks... Doubt it is "soon enough" if that is what it is. |
| 13:48.45 | pleia2 | yikes, 2 weeks is a long time o_o |
| 13:49.06 | pleia2 | go to a doctor |
| 13:49.34 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 13:49.37 | CBG | Ok, thanks.. |
| 13:51.19 | orange | could just be allergies |
| 13:51.55 | orange | post-nasal drip is a very common cause of sore throat |
| 13:52.32 | orange | but with two weeks... and free health care... why wait? |
| 13:53.59 | CBG | health "care" ? lol |
| 13:54.05 | CBG | Clearly not a Brit. :D |
| 13:54.47 | orange | c'mon, Michael Moore says your system is awesome! |
| 13:55.00 | pleia2 | lol |
| 13:56.04 | CBG | rofl |
| 13:56.45 | orange | I believe him! He's an expert! Unbiased! |
| 14:12.08 | CBG | Well, either way, ice cream stops it hurting. :D |
| 14:12.52 | CBG | How about I give it 2 more weeks, just eating ice cream, and see how it feels then ? |
| 14:13.01 | orange | dairy usually makes it worse in the long run |
| 14:13.11 | CBG | oh. :| |
| 14:13.22 | orange | builds up more mucous |
| 14:13.26 | pleia2 | CBG: we'll have an ice cream party later this week, I'm getting my wisdom teeth out on thursday |
| 14:13.27 | CBG | pft |
| 14:13.55 | CBG | oh, wow. a friend of mine has wisdom coming through right now... really painful. he ate ice cream for the first time in a few weeks today |
| 14:14.23 | pleia2 | mine started coming in when I was 24... and didn't finish, all three of them are impacted :( |
| 14:14.46 | pleia2 | which means surgery, fun fun |
| 14:14.48 | CBG | he's 18. is that young for wisdom teeth then? |
| 14:14.51 | CBG | oh, bummer :( |
| 14:14.52 | pleia2 | nope, I'm old |
| 14:15.04 | pleia2 | 26 is unusually old to have them removed, most people get them out around 18 |
| 14:15.20 | CBG | ah I see. well, hope it goes well |
| 14:15.23 | pleia2 | thanks |
| 14:15.37 | pleia2 | least I get good drugs :D |
| 14:15.41 | JonathanD | woot |
| 14:15.45 | JonathanD | pleia2 is really old! |
| 14:15.46 | JonathanD | :P |
| 14:16.00 | pleia2 | you coming to PLUG on wednesday? |
| 14:16.07 | JonathanD | west? |
| 14:16.10 | pleia2 | central |
| 14:16.12 | JonathanD | no. |
| 14:16.12 | JonathanD | :P |
| 14:16.15 | pleia2 | :) |
| 14:16.23 | JonathanD | unless someone comes and gets me. |
| 14:16.25 | JonathanD | then I'll og. |
| 14:16.28 | JonathanD | or go, even. |
| 14:16.29 | pleia2 | where do you live? |
| 14:16.36 | JonathanD | Phoenixville. |
| 14:16.51 | JonathanD | although, actually. |
| 14:16.53 | JonathanD | where is it? |
| 14:16.56 | pleia2 | how far from 422? |
| 14:17.00 | pleia2 | university city |
| 14:17.12 | JonathanD | 5 minutes or so. or less |
| 14:17.23 | JonathanD | I'll be in princeton NJ weds |
| 14:17.49 | pleia2 | ah, so probably not back in phoenixville by 5:30 then huh? |
| 14:18.27 | JonathanD | probably not. |
| 14:20.18 | pleia2 | well call me if you happen to be, I will be driving past the 422 exit around 5:45 :) |
| 14:20.23 | pleia2 | have my number? |
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| 14:23.18 | JonathanD | unsure. |
| 14:23.34 | JonathanD | yes |
| 14:23.35 | JonathanD | :P |
| 14:23.37 | pleia2 | :) |
| 14:23.50 | JonathanD | whats the topic? |
| 14:23.55 | pleia2 | Tux Droid! |
| 14:24.29 | pleia2 | http://www.kysoh.com/tux_overview.html |
| 14:24.39 | pleia2 | Tux Droid is a first generation 2.4 GHz wireless robot specially built for Linux |
| 14:24.45 | JonathanD | O.o |
| 14:24.59 | JonathanD | do they wash dishes? |
| 14:25.45 | JonathanD | Take Tux Droid to your bathroom to listen to the news broadcast |
| 14:25.49 | JonathanD | that ones a bit scary ;) |
| 14:26.29 | pleia2 | at least they didn't suggest bringing it to your bedroom :) |
| 14:26.36 | JonathanD | for... what? :P |
| 14:26.37 | JonathanD | nm |
| 14:26.56 | JonathanD | pengiuns move in mysterious ways. |
| 14:27.12 | JonathanD | ya know what would be really, really cool? |
| 14:27.20 | pleia2 | hm? |
| 14:27.29 | JonathanD | if my printer would like... ya know... print? |
| 14:28.02 | pleia2 | hahaha |
| 14:29.55 | CBG | lol @ the fist on the tux robot site |
| 14:29.59 | CBG | fish* |
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| 14:44.30 | JonathanD | fist? |
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| 19:39.07 | tannerld | stumbleupon is slow today |
| 19:47.47 | tonyyarusso | stumbleupon admins haven't replied to me yet - getting annoyed |
| 19:47.54 | tannerld | what for? |
| 19:48.02 | tonyyarusso | Password recovery |
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| 20:12.10 | tannerld | http://www.tuaw.com/2007/11/05/iphone-dynatac-smackdown/ |
| 20:16.08 | tonyyarusso | that makes me think I should just use ridiculous phrases like "smackdown" in all of my blog posts |
| 20:16.18 | tonyyarusso | "Church picnic SMACKDOWN!" |
| 20:17.05 | tannerld | Ham Sandwich vs. Chicken Sandwich. |
| 20:47.29 | CBG | anyone good at database theory? :) |
| 20:47.52 | Khalsa | sure, I have this one theory about databases.... |
| 20:48.23 | starshine | CBG I dunno about 'good' but what do you need to know? |
| 20:49.52 | CBG | Well, I have been given a task, to develop a database system (just on paper, thankfully) for a library. There are borrowers, books, books can be loaned by borrowers and books can be reserved by borrowers. I've decided upon the 4 tables: Borrower, Book, Loan, Reservation. |
| 20:51.20 | CBG | The database needs to be able to 1. check whether a book returned has been reserved. 2. check which borrower has a particular book out on loan. 3. check which books a borrower has out on loan. and 4. check whether a copy of a particular title is in the library. |
| 20:51.38 | CBG | 1. Simply search for the returned book ISBN in the reservation table. |
| 20:52.11 | CBG | 2. Find the ID of the book in question and search for it in the loan table. |
| 20:52.13 | awilcox | CBG: do a google search for "normal forms" |
| 20:52.28 | awilcox | you want to at least pass second normal form, or 2NF |
| 20:52.43 | deryni | Are there not open source systems for this around? |
| 20:52.43 | CBG | 3. Find the borrower ID and search for it in the loan table. |
| 20:52.50 | CBG | All good so far? |
| 20:52.55 | CBG | lol deryni. it's an exercise. |
| 20:53.01 | deryni | Ah, I see. |
| 20:53.16 | CBG | awilcox: I've not been told, at all, about "normal forms" so it won't be involved. |
| 20:53.23 | awilcox | ... |
| 20:53.28 | CBG | Anyone see any issues with what I have said so far? |
| 20:53.33 | awilcox | normal forms are important to database design |
| 20:53.55 | CBG | awilcox: I've not been told about them _yet_. |
| 20:54.06 | awilcox | just because you haven't been taught it yet doesn't mean it isn't important, and if you do get your db to pass 2NF your teacher would prolly be very impressed |
| 20:54.09 | awilcox | :) |
| 20:54.40 | awilcox | I'm no DBA, but I know a thing or two about db design :) |
| 20:54.48 | awilcox | otoh, I suck at SQL :P |
| 20:54.53 | CBG | she won't even see it and I don't want to appear a smart-ass in ANOTHER class. :P |
| 20:55.14 | awilcox | hehehehe |
| 20:55.22 | CBG | I'm stuck on the 4th point..: check whether a copy of a particular title is in the library. |
| 20:55.36 | awilcox | um |
| 20:55.40 | deryni | What is the Book table? |
| 20:55.44 | awilcox | do a search for the ISBN in the book table? |
| 20:55.59 | awilcox | isn't that sorta obvious? :P |
| 20:56.00 | CBG | The way I have decided to store the books is have a record for every copy of each book, NOT have a record for each title+author and have a 'copies' field. |
| 20:56.11 | awilcox | ugh |
| 20:56.19 | CBG | the book table would not say if a book is in the library or not |
| 20:56.19 | awilcox | you wouldn't even pass 1NF lol |
| 20:56.40 | deryni | By "in library" do you mean available to be checked out or owned by the library? |
| 20:56.52 | deryni | And how are you going to tell the copies of the book apart? |
| 20:56.59 | CBG | I am told in the brief that each book has an acquisition number - this implies a unique identifier to me. |
| 20:57.22 | CBG | "in the library" implies "in-stock, available to be checked out" to me. |
| 20:57.50 | awilcox | you should have a separate book and copies table |
| 20:58.01 | awilcox | book has the book info and a unique ID (i.e. ISBN) |
| 20:58.08 | deryni | So you are going to be keeping the isbn and acquisition numbers in the "checked out" table? |
| 20:58.15 | awilcox | then the copies table references that ISBN and details the copy information (checked out, acq no, etc) |
| 20:58.22 | CBG | so if the library "acquire" multiple copies of the same book, they would each have unique acquisition numbers and acquisition dates, so would all be separate records in the book table. |
| 20:58.33 | CBG | good point deryni |
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| 20:59.03 | CBG | the loan table would hold the borrower ID, the loan date and some way of identifying the book - but would that be acquisition number or ISBN ? :/ |
| 20:59.20 | awilcox | it would have to be acq no |
| 20:59.23 | CBG | awilcox: oh, interesting |
| 20:59.38 | deryni | If you have multiple entries with the same isbn you can't use that as the unique id. |
| 20:59.53 | CBG | right, ok. I can see that |
| 20:59.56 | deryni | Because you wouldn't have a way to tell which of the copies of the book you mean. |
| 21:00.22 | CBG | that's good, but I still can't see an answer to that 4th thing... check whether a copy of a particular title is in the library. |
| 21:01.14 | awilcox | the copies table needs a checked out value |
| 21:01.18 | awilcox | enum {yes,no} |
| 21:01.48 | starshine | normalize til it hurts, denormalize til it works.. |
| 21:01.52 | CBG | with a copies table as awilcox suggests, I can get the ISBN of the book, search for that in "copies" table, get a list of the acquisition numbers and then search for those in the loan table... ? :/ |
| 21:02.12 | awilcox | CBG: no I said have a "checked out" field too |
| 21:02.21 | awilcox | checked_out ENUM (Yes, No) |
| 21:02.21 | CBG | hm, awilcox, could that sort of thing be automatically updated when a new record was added to the loan table? |
| 21:02.27 | awilcox | yes |
| 21:02.30 | CBG | right, I didn't see it when I was typing :P |
| 21:02.35 | CBG | even in MS Access? |
| 21:02.45 | awilcox | ewww |
| 21:02.56 | awilcox | zomg |
| 21:03.04 | CBG | not my choice to use it, but we are doing so in the practical side |
| 21:03.06 | awilcox | does "db" mean "DumB" in your country? :P |
| 21:03.19 | awilcox | MySQL, even SQL Server 6.5, would be better |
| 21:03.27 | CBG | I hate it too, but I have no choice. |
| 21:03.37 | awilcox | I doubt Access has enums -- I don't remember it when I used it |
| 21:03.46 | CBG | I'm all for SQL, really, but the module uses Access. |
| 21:03.58 | awilcox | eesh |
| 21:04.05 | CBG | then I imagine my lecturer bringing that up :( |
| 21:14.59 | CBG | anymore insight? awilcox's idea is great, but I'm not sure it is what my lecturer is looking for if it's not feasible in Access... |
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| 22:17.02 | JeffM2501 | anyone know how SportChick got jbot to do the rss annoucnements in channel? |
| 22:18.06 | RudyValencia | ask her to add your RSS feed to jbot |
| 22:18.25 | JeffM2501 | no no, I don't want to add a feed here |
| 22:18.46 | JeffM2501 | I want to know the commands she gave to jbot to add a feed to another channel on another instance of the bot |
| 22:19.06 | Winny | JeffM2501: it was essybot, not jbot, IIRC. |
| 22:19.10 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 22:19.17 | JeffM2501 | probably a supybot then |
| 22:19.27 | JeffM2501 | cus I can't see anything on rss in the ibot help |
| 22:29.06 | awilcox | JeffM2501: it was nessybot, which is a custom made bot iirc, and you do "!rss add <rss url>" |
| 22:29.38 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:34.38 | tannerld | never look up "washington" in visuwords |
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| 22:41.52 | RudyValencia | why? |
| 22:42.28 | tannerld | contains about 30 bubles on the government and then about 20 on the state |
| 22:46.45 | awilcox | \o/ |
| 22:46.46 | awilcox | \o> |
| 22:46.49 | awilcox | <o/ |
| 22:46.50 | awilcox | \o/ |
| 22:47.01 | starshine_away | ? |
| 22:48.22 | awilcox | So I'm offering this simple phrase, to kids from 1 to 92, although it's been said, many times, many ways, Merry Christmas to you! |
| 22:53.21 | starshine | <3 frank sinatra |
| 22:53.39 | awilcox | :D |
| 22:53.48 | awilcox | <3 all Christmas music |
| 22:54.01 | starshine | I'm sure I could find some you'd manage to not like |
| 22:54.29 | starshine | though you'd probably rofl @ "jewish bells" |
| 22:54.29 | awilcox | heh |
| 22:54.42 | awilcox | I'm not including parodies :P |
| 22:54.53 | awilcox | wow, awesome |
| 22:54.56 | starshine | I won a karaoke prize once for "ten light years from bethlehem" |
| 22:55.06 | starshine | I didnt write it but I can sing it just delightfully |
| 22:55.07 | awilcox | original ftw |
| 22:55.14 | awilcox | starshine: hehe :D |
| 22:56.15 | starshine | "the stocking though they're hung with care, in one half gee look sad, oh where is our comfort and joy /comfort and joy/ ohohhh whe-ere is, our co-omfort and joy." |
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