00:00.38 | tjfontaine | zomg lag |
00:20.33 | AWOSLappy | starshine/tonyyarusso: do you remember my laptop? with the hard disk thing? |
00:20.49 | altoid | you had a laptop with a hard disk?!?!?! |
00:20.56 | AWOSLappy | altoid: lol |
00:22.21 | AWOSLappy | Dell FTW!!!! |
00:22.21 | AWOSLappy | http://www.smallbusinesscomputing.com/news/article.php/3675216 |
00:22.31 | AWOSLappy | w0000000000000000000000000000000000000000t! |
00:23.48 | starshine | AWOSLappy: it works I take it :) |
00:25.24 | AWOSLappy | starshine: on the contrary. |
00:25.33 | AWOSLappy | starshine: it works but is slower than my Celeron/500 |
00:26.18 | AWOSLappy | this laptop: Celeron/1600, 30GB ATA/100 hard disk, 512MB RAM |
00:26.29 | AWOSLappy | the desktop: Celeron/500, ATA66 hard disks, 256MB RAM |
00:26.30 | altoid | celeron! |
00:26.53 | AWOSLappy | now can anyone explain to me why the laptop is slower than the desktop? |
00:27.05 | AWOSLappy | And don't say the problem is the Celly under the hood. |
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00:29.44 | Vampier | drill drill drill pluck pluck pluck |
00:32.31 | AWOSLappy | tax tax tax; spend spend spend; elect elect elect! |
00:32.54 | altoid | is that the democrats again? |
00:34.10 | AWOSLappy | altoid: no, it was republicans in the 1930s |
00:34.14 | AWOSLappy | well |
00:34.16 | AWOSLappy | and democrats |
00:34.23 | AWOSLappy | the whole gov't in the 1930s |
00:34.24 | AWOSLappy | :P |
00:34.27 | altoid | :P |
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00:47.13 | altoid | let him donate a few servers and we'll buy into it ;) |
00:47.30 | altoid | errr, wrong dang channel >_< |
00:50.59 | inchworm | AWOSLappy: what OS? |
00:51.15 | inchworm | AWOSLappy: specifially I'm wondering if the processor is fully throttled up |
00:51.42 | inchworm | AWOSLappy: two heat? is the cpu throtteling back from heat |
00:52.06 | TD-Linux | you might want to vaccum out the heatsinks |
00:52.08 | inchworm | AWOSLappy: three, how do you know it's slower? benchmark? "feel" ? |
01:00.14 | AWOSLappy | inchworm: 1) Windows ex-pee. |
01:00.21 | AWOSLappy | inchworm: 2) not hot. even has a cooler. |
01:00.45 | AWOSLappy | inchworm: 3) it feels much slower. Firefox is starting slower, clicking things takes seconds instead of immediate. the freaking Start button doesn't even come up immediately |
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01:01.34 | AWOSLappy | inchworm: it is not throttling. according to the Intel frequency thingy, it is at the expected 1.6GHz |
01:06.50 | tonyyarusso | AWOSLappy: Yeah, what's up with the lappy now? |
01:07.54 | AWOSLappy | tonyyarusso: extremely slow for some unknown reason |
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01:08.09 | tonyyarusso | hrm |
01:08.23 | tonyyarusso | Presumably nothing in top |
01:12.06 | inchworm | AWOSLappy: virus? or other unexpected background process? |
01:12.48 | inchworm | AWOSLappy: in may limited experience, laptops are only slower than desktops in disk I/O and graphics |
01:13.05 | inchworm | your standard Windows interface should not be effected |
01:13.46 | mviron | inchworm! |
01:15.37 | AWOSLappy | tonyyarusso: hehe, no, there is nothing unusual in the Windows Task Manager. |
01:15.37 | AWOSLappy | inchworm: neither one |
01:15.37 | inchworm | mviron! |
01:15.38 | AWOSLappy | mviron! |
01:15.40 | inchworm | AWOSLappy: dunno then |
01:15.41 | tonyyarusso | Well now we know what's eating all the resources. ;) |
01:15.48 | AWOSLappy | tonyyarusso: :) |
01:15.53 | AWOSLappy | I'm still scared to boot Linux. |
01:16.06 | Vampier | OLA! |
01:16.13 | inchworm | AWOSLappy: if you have a spare hard drive, I would install a fresh copy on it and then check speed again |
01:16.35 | inchworm | AWOSLappy: scared to boot? |
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01:16.57 | AWOSLappy | inchworm: sadly I do not have a spare hard drive. |
01:17.01 | AWOSLappy | inchworm: yes scared to boot. |
01:17.10 | inchworm | ok |
01:17.27 | inchworm | not even a knoppix disk? |
01:17.32 | AWOSLappy | tonyyarusso: I am still waiting for a response my ping that I pinged you a week ago. I asked what I should do with it, because I backed up the really *important* data |
01:17.53 | AWOSLappy | inchworm: well I have LiveCDs but they are slower than vista.... XP |
01:18.08 | tonyyarusso | AWOSLappy: well, if it's backed up, whatever you want. Buy a new hard drive and reinstall is a good option perhaps |
01:19.35 | AWOSLappy | tonyyarusso: Hrm. well I don't have $200 for a new laptop hard disk lying around. afaict I can only buy drives from HP |
01:19.45 | tonyyarusso | ugh |
01:19.51 | RudyValencia | I'm still trying to build models of buildings, but haven't found a simple, decent 3d program for that. None of the simple ones have the numeric input I usually need, and none of the complex ones are understandable. |
01:19.53 | AWOSLappy | tonyyarusso: I was thinking of wiping the ext3 partition and installing Feisty |
01:20.04 | tonyyarusso | AWOSLappy: that may work too |
01:20.06 | AWOSLappy | RudyValencia: oooooooh I found the perfect one for you but I don't remember what it is called |
01:20.16 | AWOSLappy | RudyValencia: I even thought to myself, "ooh RudyValencia will want that" |
01:20.19 | RudyValencia | It isn't Google SketchUp is it? |
01:20.23 | AWOSLappy | noo |
01:21.11 | AWOSLappy | RudyValencia: did you try k3d by any chance? |
01:21.35 | RudyValencia | Linux program? |
01:21.47 | RudyValencia | (Keep in mind I'm running Windows) |
01:22.49 | AWOSLappy | RudyValencia: oh. |
01:23.09 | AWOSLappy | I can almost guarantee you I saw it on SourceForge or apt-cache |
01:23.12 | AWOSLappy | THATS IT! |
01:23.17 | RudyValencia | Wait, it's Windows based. |
01:23.19 | AWOSLappy | it is project of the week/month on SF |
01:23.33 | RudyValencia | I can try K3D since it has a Windows installer |
01:25.02 | AWOSLappy | April Project of the Month: Art of Illusion |
01:25.02 | AWOSLappy | Art of Illusion (AOI) is a 3-D graphics studio that provides modeling, texturing, animation, and rendering in a single |
01:25.02 | AWOSLappy | program. It is designed to be easy to use so that new users can pick it up quickly, while still providing advanced features |
01:25.02 | AWOSLappy | to let experienced users create professional-quality artwork. |
01:25.03 | AWOSLappy | Its most striking feature is its simple GUI, which provides access to powerful and sophisticated features. The fact that it |
01:25.06 | AWOSLappy | is written in pure Java gives it strong cross-platform support, and with today's Java technology, performance is not an |
01:25.09 | AWOSLappy | issue. Finally, AOI is built on a strong core/plugin architecture, which makes it easy for even programming neophytes to |
01:25.12 | AWOSLappy | enhance AOI to suit their purposes. |
01:25.14 | AWOSLappy | Home Page: http://artofillusion.com |
01:26.26 | AWOSLappy | lol, the home page got screwed |
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01:26.46 | AWOSLappy | being SourceForge Project of the Month is like being slashdotted XP |
01:27.09 | AWOSLappy | you may be able to get to it through Project Page: https://sourceforge.net/projects/aoi/ |
01:27.59 | AWOSLappy | ^^^^ all of the above for RudyValencia |
01:29.01 | AWOSLappy | tonyyarusso: is there a hard disk equivalent of memtest86+? |
01:29.22 | tonyyarusso | AWOSLappy: if your drive supports SMART there's something |
01:29.30 | tjfontaine | badblock? |
01:29.38 | tjfontaine | :) |
01:30.17 | tonyyarusso | AWOSLappy: smartmontools |
01:30.26 | deryni | You can use vmstat and iostat to see a bunch of info about your disk/cpu. |
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01:31.03 | tjfontaine | yes, or top to see if you're in wait |
01:31.41 | AWOSLappy | tonyyarusso: okay thanks. |
01:31.50 | AWOSLappy | tjfontaine: is there such a utility? I am still new to low-level Linux. |
01:32.23 | tjfontaine | AWOSLappy: to check for badblocks? of course |
01:32.46 | tjfontaine | it's called: badblocks |
01:32.52 | Pumpernickel | *gasp* |
01:33.19 | RudyValencia | I don't think I can use any of those. |
01:34.10 | RudyValencia | What I need is something like a 3D equivalent to Illustrator. |
01:34.19 | RudyValencia | SketchUp is the closest I've found. |
01:35.30 | RudyValencia | But it has limitations. |
01:35.57 | RudyValencia | Most notably, the lack of a "where the cursor is at right now" type of indication. |
01:36.26 | RudyValencia | Also, the lack of being able to say, "place this object at (x, y, z) |
01:37.00 | tjfontaine | well, hmm I wonder if this code works |
01:57.45 | tjfontaine | hah kick ass |
02:08.15 | tjfontaine | :) |
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03:22.01 | Slynderdale | *** "Turn Your FPS Skills Into Cash" - http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/02/1752257 - "Another option is a perpetual, ongoing game that players can drop into at any time. If you get killed, you lose $1. If you kill another player, you get $1." |
03:30.35 | Slynderdale | O.o A tux doll? |
03:30.38 | SportChick | :) |
03:30.38 | starshine | with a starfleet uniform :D |
03:30.39 | Slynderdale | Please tell me its not red o.o |
03:30.41 | starshine | the only uniform I have for Tux is TNG red, which is command |
03:30.41 | starshine | is that ok? |
03:30.43 | Slynderdale | Weren't they the expendable ones that always died on away missions? |
03:30.44 | SportChick | heh |
03:31.21 | starshine | nah TNG red are all player characters |
03:31.21 | starshine | 100% win |
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03:47.03 | SportChick | nanoc: you here? |
03:52.47 | SportChick | FrancoGG|gone, nanoc, manu? |
03:53.12 | nanoc | SportChick: playing ET |
03:53.22 | nanoc | SportChick: but could do a quick in the meantime |
03:53.27 | SportChick | nanoc: wanna help me and do some translation? |
03:53.36 | nanoc | SportChick: paste it |
03:53.50 | SportChick | nanoc: it would be easier to have you both in the same channel |
03:54.16 | nanoc | SportChick: who is the other guy? |
03:54.17 | SportChick | nanoc: I invited you to a channel |
03:54.33 | SportChick | lnx\ |
03:54.50 | SportChick | come to ##essy-private, nanoc |
03:55.48 | Slynderdale | ##essy-private ? o.o Are you having a party without me? |
03:56.21 | SportChick | it's a problem-resolving channel, Slynderdale |
03:56.47 | Slynderdale | Ah I see, alright :) |
03:58.56 | SportChick | ~nanoc++ |
03:59.41 | Slynderdale | ~SportChick++ |
03:59.43 | Slynderdale | :) |
03:59.46 | SportChick | heh |
04:02.06 | Slynderdale | I'm glad I met you SportChick, I know I may not be the moest talkative person on ##essy, but I am glad you invited me here. Your one of the kindess people I have ever met in my life and its always a pleasure talking to you. :) |
04:03.21 | SportChick | Slynderdale: good thing you weren't listening this afternoon - I was a bit snippy with awosdev |
04:03.25 | SportChick | ~awosdev++ |
04:03.37 | SportChick | AWOSdev: and, btw, I'm sorry :( |
04:04.51 | Slynderdale | SportChick: Well, even a saint has their off moments :) No ones perfect. Though I did mean what I said, it warms my heart knowing theres people who still care so much about others like you :) |
04:05.23 | SportChick | awww |
04:08.08 | SportChick | ~nanoc++ |
04:08.19 | nanoc | SportChick: another? |
04:08.26 | nanoc | cool, I'll raise in the rankings :P |
04:08.30 | SportChick | yes :) because you're great ;) |
04:08.37 | Slynderdale | ~karma nanoc |
04:08.37 | jbot | nanoc has karma of 4 |
04:08.42 | SportChick | nanoc: does he need anything else? |
04:08.50 | Slynderdale | ~karma |
04:08.50 | jbot | slynderdale has karma of 7 |
04:08.53 | SportChick | ~nanoc++ |
04:08.59 | Slynderdale | ~karma SportChick |
04:08.59 | jbot | sportchick has karma of 511 |
04:09.02 | Slynderdale | xD |
04:09.05 | SportChick | Slynderdale: I invite you to karma nanoc - he's DEFINITELY earned it :) |
04:09.16 | Slynderdale | ~nanoc++ |
04:09.19 | Slynderdale | There you go :) |
04:09.32 | nanoc | SportChick: i guess that's it |
04:09.40 | SportChick | nanoc: ok :) |
04:10.45 | SportChick | nanoc: what is unrato? |
04:10.51 | SportChick | ~x es en unrato |
04:10.59 | SportChick | bleh |
04:13.16 | SportChick | ~x es en mas unrato amigo |
04:21.19 | RudyValencia | SportChick: I need some help. Seriously. |
04:21.40 | SportChick | RudyValencia: what kind of help? I'm getting ready to go to the airport and pick up mozul |
04:22.07 | RudyValencia | I'll tell you later, if it's important that you pick him up. |
04:22.27 | SportChick | RudyValencia: well, yes, I haven't seen him in 2 weeks |
04:22.37 | SportChick | go ahead and tell me know - I'll read in between doing things |
04:22.51 | RudyValencia | It's alright - go ahead :) |
04:23.05 | SportChick | well, I'll be gone all weekend :) |
04:23.15 | SportChick | so either tell me now, or you'll probably need someone else to help :) |
04:23.28 | nanoc | SportChick: "un rato" == "a while" |
04:23.38 | SportChick | nanoc: ok :) thanks |
04:23.48 | RudyValencia | Sorry to bother. I'll ask someone else :) |
04:24.00 | SportChick | sorry RudyValencia :) |
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04:54.37 | deryni | Was the person saying that 12? |
04:55.13 | chillin | 21 :P |
04:55.22 | chillin | techy physics friend |
05:13.28 | Vampier | sit ! |
05:13.30 | Vampier | wake up |
05:13.43 | sit | Vampier: que pasa? |
05:13.46 | Vampier | wow |
05:13.47 | Vampier | :) |
05:13.50 | Vampier | u're awake |
05:13.50 | chillin | >poke sit |
05:13.52 | Vampier | go to bed dude |
05:13.56 | Vampier | ~sit sit |
05:14.09 | jbot | ACTION puts on 200lbs, sits on sit and squishes him |
05:14.11 | Vampier | ~dump tale |
05:14.16 | Vampier | ~eat impusneetim |
05:14.18 | jbot | ACTION eats impusneetim and falls over dead |
05:14.34 | Vampier | ~spawn dead soldier 666 |
05:14.47 | sit | fine, be that way |
05:14.56 | Vampier | lol |
05:14.58 | Vampier | ~wander off |
05:15.17 | Vampier | ~wiki wiki |
05:16.59 | RudyValencia | I really need to do something with my life |
05:17.11 | Vampier | yes |
05:17.17 | Vampier | make me a calzone pizza |
05:17.20 | RudyValencia | hehe |
05:17.24 | RudyValencia | Anyway... |
05:17.26 | Vampier | :P |
05:20.23 | RudyValencia | I work in a drugstore and make $7.25/hr. While that's a fairly decent wage, it doesn't entirely pay down my debt or provide me any money. I don't know what I can do to make more money. |
05:20.49 | tonyyarusso | A drugstore? icky |
05:21.01 | sit | RudyValencia: go to college |
05:21.23 | sit | RudyValencia: stay in school, don't use drugs, close the loop |
05:21.33 | RudyValencia | sit: I'm in a "break-even" financial status at this time |
05:22.29 | sit | RudyValencia: financial aid |
05:22.45 | sit | perfect time to go to school. you can't get aid when you're making too much more than $7.25/hr |
05:23.52 | RudyValencia | Going to school would mean having to cut my hours, wouldn't it? |
05:24.12 | RudyValencia | s/cut my hours/cut my work hours/ |
05:24.27 | tonyyarusso | probably |
05:24.34 | sit | RudyValencia: no |
05:24.45 | sit | tons of people work full time and go to school |
05:24.55 | sit | it's not easy, but it's do-able |
05:24.56 | RudyValencia | How can I do a 40-hour work week and study at the same time? |
05:25.26 | sit | plus if you force yourself, you can survive working part time |
05:25.51 | sit | i worked my way through school part time. w/ financial aid, i go away with it w/o any loans |
05:26.16 | RudyValencia | How much does financial aid cover? |
05:26.27 | Vampier | nite |
05:26.36 | RudyValencia | goodnight, Vampier |
05:26.42 | sit | unless you got a high paying job elsewhere, try getting a job on campus. that's what i did. cutting down commute time between class and work lets you squeeze in much more time. plus campus jobs are super chill and you can get your homework/studying done while getting paid |
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05:26.52 | Vampier | nite |
05:26.52 | sit | RudyValencia: varies |
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05:27.06 | RudyValencia | sit: I already have a job, the aforementioned drugstore clerk job |
05:27.42 | sit | RudyValencia: campus jobs can pay more and offer more flexibility |
05:27.56 | RudyValencia | A campus job can pay more than $7.25/hr? |
05:28.00 | tonyyarusso | You should be able to get something more than $7.25 anyway. |
05:28.04 | sit | yes, quite more |
05:28.08 | RudyValencia | really? |
05:28.10 | RudyValencia | wow |
05:28.37 | RudyValencia | Right now the most pressing concern is that I am about $4,000 behind (debts + current obligations) |
05:28.39 | sit | i started my campus job at $8.xx/hr iirc |
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05:29.14 | RudyValencia | jk |
05:29.16 | RudyValencia | *k |
05:29.20 | RudyValencia | ok |
05:29.26 | sit | i had a friend who was making $25/hr at her campus job during ugrad. but it was research related and at a really expensive private school, so that figure is probably an outlier |
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05:29.57 | deryni | I worked on campus and made $14.50 by the end, I started at $9. |
05:30.04 | sit | RudyValencia: if you wait till you're making more and have your debts paid off, you'll have a hard time getting financial aid |
05:30.13 | sit | financial aid is much easier to get when you're poor |
05:30.39 | RudyValencia | oh, so since I have these debts, it'll be easier to get into school *with* them than *without* ? |
05:30.51 | sit | plus student loans can help cut your debt down cuz their subsidized |
05:31.54 | sit | RudyValencia: having existing debts won't really affect your chances of getting financial aid, so it's pretty much neutral. but from your point of view, it's harder cuz it's another burden you have to worry about |
05:32.22 | RudyValencia | my credit rating is bad because of my debts. |
05:32.30 | sit | i'd do it though, cuz you can get extra student loans at a much lower rate than you're probably paying on your current loans. pay off their higher interest loans |
05:32.38 | sit | schools don't care about your credit score |
05:33.09 | RudyValencia | like, I have a $2400 debt in collections. |
05:33.16 | RudyValencia | I'm paying $100/mo. on it. |
05:33.48 | RudyValencia | can I still use a student loan to pay that off? |
05:33.56 | sit | yup |
05:34.21 | sit | get a student loan check for like $5k, use half of it to pay off your debt, use the other half to eat ramen everyday for six months |
05:34.48 | tonyyarusso | Dude, you can eat better than ramen |
05:34.50 | sit | while you're still in school, student loans are like 2% apr |
05:34.56 | tonyyarusso | just be smart about your shopping |
05:35.02 | sit | if you're lucky, you can even get 0% loans |
05:35.21 | sit | steak? no, money is too tight for steak. steak? uh...sure, steak... |
05:35.36 | tonyyarusso | I didn't say steak - I just said better than ramen |
05:35.37 | sit | tonyyarusso: snob. ramen is da bomb |
05:35.41 | tonyyarusso | ick |
05:36.11 | sit | shoot, i'll still be eating ramen after i win the lottery and become a millionare |
05:36.28 | tonyyarusso | +and |
05:36.29 | Guu | Rumor has it and is he? :), tonyyarusso |
05:36.40 | sit | wtf? |
05:36.48 | sit | grrr |
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05:42.11 | billfur | ughh |
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06:47.42 | *** topic/##essy by SportChick -> Welcome to the family-friendly home of SC's friends and family || Channel stats http://tinyurl.com/34cyy3 & Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/227cna || FN staffblog: http://blog.freenode.net/ || scrabby is back! join ##essy-scrabby. For a-z, join ##essy-game || "Handshakes are for strangers. We hug around here." -Longfellow Deeds || If you ask before pm'ing SportChick, you'll be heavily larted || Happy birthday, christel (on the 6th) || |
06:49.32 | *** topic/##essy by SportChick -> Welcome to the family-friendly home of SC's friends and family | Channel stats http://tinyurl.com/34cyy3 & Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/227cna | FN staffblog: http://blog.freenode.net/ | scrabby is back! join ##essy-scrabby. For a-z, join ##essy-game | "Handshakes are for strangers. We hug around here." -Longfellow Deeds | Happy birthday, christel (on the 6th) || |
07:05.49 | L4m3r | ... |
07:07.08 | billfur | woot |
07:07.08 | jenda | O_O |
07:10.42 | billfur | i see |
07:13.52 | Pommes | ~hug SportChick back |
07:14.10 | jbot | ACTION jumps into SportChick back's lap and huggles and *hugs* SportChick back |
07:16.35 | billfur | ~stalk jbot |
07:16.48 | jbot | ACTION furtively infiltrates jbot's shadows and when jbot is turned away jumps out to take a picture with his camera phone! |
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07:39.01 | AWOSLappy | goodnight. |
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07:43.14 | essybot_ | ::PeanutHorst:: CeBIT Australia Photos @ http://peanuthorst.livejournal.com/40942.html |
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09:09.02 | billfur | I'm hunting rabbits.. |
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11:03.43 | essybot_ | ::christel:: ! @ http://blog.simplychristel.net/index.php?/archives/154-!.html |
11:19.34 | ndim | Blood full of oxygen and stuff. |
11:43.17 | ndim | JKnife, AWOSDev, altoid: regarding our mkcd() bash function from the other day... I think I have the "ultimate" version now: |
11:43.20 | ndim | $ grep mkcd ~/.bashrc |
11:43.22 | ndim | mkcd() { mkdir -p "$1" && cd "$1"; } |
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12:10.40 | essybot_ | ::dmp:: Update 20070504 @ http://koderen.dk/2007/05/04/update-20070504 |
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13:06.37 | avenge | lo |
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14:49.26 | essybot | ::menza:: And now for a Public Service Announcement…. @ http://menza.org/2007/05/and-now-for-a-public-service-announcement |
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15:30.05 | Winny | lotsa freenode ops in ##essy :p |
15:31.06 | SportChick | Winny: one or two :) |
15:31.12 | SportChick | and we're all watching you ;) |
15:31.13 | tjfontaine | oh, btw, 4 dead in oHIo |
15:31.39 | Winny | errr |
15:31.53 | SportChick | tjfontaine: ? |
15:31.54 | Guu | hmm... tjfontaine: is there such a utility? I am still new to low-level Linux, SportChick |
15:32.05 | tjfontaine | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_Shootings am not on campus to observe |
15:32.25 | Winny | shit... another kent shooting? |
15:32.31 | tjfontaine | no |
15:32.33 | tjfontaine | the same. |
15:32.37 | Winny | oh... |
15:32.38 | SportChick | tjfontaine: isn't that just rehashing the old onje? |
15:32.47 | tjfontaine | SportChick: today is the observance day |
15:32.54 | tjfontaine | SportChick: it's the university I attend |
15:33.00 | SportChick | tjfontaine: ohh, I see |
15:34.43 | mvironwork | SportChick! |
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15:35.28 | unic0rn | :> |
15:35.35 | SportChick | unic0rn: chicks rule ;) |
15:35.39 | SportChick | ~chicks |
15:35.41 | jbot | CHICKS RULE!!! |
15:35.43 | SportChick | see? |
15:35.45 | SportChick | :) |
15:35.45 | unic0rn | :D |
15:35.50 | unic0rn | ;] |
15:35.51 | unic0rn | ayu is a chick, also ;] |
15:35.56 | Winny | ~guys |
15:35.58 | jbot | Guys Rule! (unless, of course, there are chicks around, in which case, the chicks just LET the guys think they are ruling, but really the CHICKS RULE!!!) |
15:36.06 | unic0rn | (but i've cutted out proper responses;]) |
15:36.18 | SportChick | ndim: are you sick? |
15:36.40 | Winny | he is in the head ;) |
15:38.13 | ndim | SportChick: No, but there are so many chick(en)s about. |
15:38.20 | SportChick | ndim: :p |
15:38.28 | SportChick | ndim: more than you probably even realize :) |
15:39.22 | unic0rn | so many chicks... and i'm supposed to be coding in tcl.. how can i concentrate... there's so many chicks around... and they all rule.... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA... |
15:40.18 | ndim | unic0rn: I'm sure someone can arrange a mercy kick for you. |
15:40.28 | ndim | To help you concentrate. |
15:40.33 | ndim | :) |
15:40.37 | unic0rn | ndim: no, thanks :P |
15:40.56 | unic0rn | i like this state of mind ;] |
15:41.31 | SportChick | unic0rn: welcome to ##essy |
15:41.36 | SportChick | everyone: meet unic0rn |
15:41.39 | SportChick | unic0rn: meet everyone |
15:41.44 | unic0rn | \o/ |
15:41.49 | unic0rn | *^^* |
15:44.33 | RudyValencia | I'm working on a point-of-sale program in VB with hopes to redo it in something with a GUI later. |
15:44.43 | RudyValencia | (a better GUI, rather) |
15:45.08 | RudyValencia | s/(a better GUI, rather)/I'm working on a point-of-sale program in VB with hopes to redo it in something better later. |
15:45.12 | RudyValencia | oops |
15:45.22 | RudyValencia | Anyway... |
15:45.24 | donny_baker | point-of-sale? general or specialized? |
15:45.39 | ndim | I hope it does not need mouse clicks. |
15:45.43 | RudyValencia | Well, specialized for dining and/or entertainment |
15:45.59 | donny_baker | cool |
15:46.06 | RudyValencia | Well it uses touchscreen input, which is basically a one-button mouse |
15:46.25 | RudyValencia | So far the only part I have been able to code is the login screen. |
15:46.25 | ndim | OK, that can be operated quickly. |
15:46.30 | donny_baker | i worked in IT in retail for about 10 years and POS systems were always on the radar |
15:46.54 | RudyValencia | I'm writing it in VB6 so it will run on even Windows 98. |
15:51.50 | RudyValencia | Again, all I have at the moment is the login screen with skeleton code. |
15:52.08 | RudyValencia | I've yet to write the actual system program |
15:54.43 | RudyValencia | hm, maybe I should use something more portable. |
16:02.34 | unic0rn | :D |
16:03.40 | SportChick | cu all later |
16:03.45 | SportChick | ~sue Winny |
16:03.47 | jbot | ACTION acting on orders from an unspecified client, drags Winny into court suing for $200 million |
16:03.48 | unic0rn | cya SportChick :] |
16:03.53 | Winny | bye SC |
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16:40.36 | latexer | morning all. |
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16:40.57 | Winny | mornin |
16:44.52 | altoid | mornin' |
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17:11.34 | starshine | today's just not gonna be my day :( |
17:14.34 | Winny | how do you know that? |
17:39.32 | starshine | I'm going to consider the advice of a dear friend when the idle chatter turned to allergy meds |
17:39.49 | starshine | "funny, I'd have thought better breathing would be a mood improvement all by itself :)" |
17:45.58 | altoid | hehe |
17:46.51 | forcerain | lol |
18:05.20 | JKnife | o.O programs written in BF cannot be opensource :) "Deliberately obfuscated source code is not allowed." |
18:05.30 | JKnife | http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd |
18:06.47 | JKnife | :( |
18:07.06 | JKnife | o.O wow.. umm according to that GPLv3 != opensource |
18:07.15 | JKnife | read "9. License Must Not Restrict Other Software" |
18:12.47 | JKnife | i take that back... GPLv2 != opensource.. because if you LINK to a GPL lib. your program MUST be released under the GPL.. that is why they made the LGPL |
18:13.13 | starshine | yeah yeah, viral licensing. been complained about loudly before :) |
18:13.28 | tjfontaine | that's not necessarily true, but more indepth than I want to go into right now |
18:15.57 | JKnife | tjfontaine, "This General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs." |
18:16.05 | JKnife | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/info/GPLv2.html |
18:16.34 | JKnife | incorporating includes linking |
18:18.05 | tjfontaine | it's not as clear cut and dry as: if library is GPL and you want to link to it you must also be GPL |
18:18.16 | tjfontaine | that's just the easiest way to understand/handle the situation |
18:19.19 | JKnife | that is what it says.. |
18:20.11 | JKnife | \o/ |
18:23.50 | tjfontaine | JKnife: code may be licensed under one form but compatible with others, the enforcement of copyright falls to the most restrictive of the licenses it's compatible with |
18:24.03 | tjfontaine | when used in combination with that code |
18:25.16 | JKnife | well if that is the case.. then i could write up my own license and use GPL code in a closed source program and nothing can be done about it? |
18:27.18 | tjfontaine | JKnife: you're misinterpreting my statement |
18:27.51 | tjfontaine | JKnife: to use GPL'd code with differently licensed code the second license must be compatible with GPL |
18:28.24 | tjfontaine | JKnife: the differently licensed code maintains its license, but is also enforced under GPL if the whole project is reused elsewhere |
18:28.38 | tjfontaine | JKnife: if only the differently licensed code is reused it maintains its own license |
18:29.15 | JKnife | you have misunderstood me... i said the GPL is not opensource by the definition on opensource.org under section 9.. when the gpl states you CANNOT link in GPL v2 lic. programs into proprietary programs |
18:29.43 | tjfontaine | no, you said that if you want to link GPL code that the resulting code *MUST* be GPL and I said that's not necessarily true |
18:29.46 | deryni | That point is talking about other distributed packages. |
18:29.52 | deryni | Not linked with. |
18:30.20 | forcerain | tjfontaine, LGPL allows linking.. GPL doesn't |
18:30.40 | JKnife | opps |
18:30.46 | JKnife | deryni, you are right XD |
18:30.48 | forcerain | that's all one really need say lol |
18:31.09 | forcerain | and GPL code can be distributed with proprietary AFAIK |
18:33.18 | JKnife | forcerain, =\ http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=gpl |
18:34.07 | JKnife | and yes it can be.. |
18:34.45 | mviron | JKnife! |
18:34.57 | JKnife | mviron! |
18:36.39 | JKnife | \o/ my rom is even messier now! |
18:36.43 | JKnife | room* |
18:38.32 | mviron | how's it messier? |
18:38.41 | mviron | you don't even know what the stuff is |
18:38.42 | mviron | lol |
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18:40.51 | JKnife | but any stuff i put in my room.. means more clutter... means messier |
18:41.18 | JonathanD | hi. |
18:43.50 | Winny | bum bum ba ba |
18:43.56 | Winny | bum bum boo dap |
18:46.16 | mviron | JKnife: sorry...they just left....your room is too much of a mess even for them |
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18:55.24 | AWOSDev | Hi JonathanD! my package wouldn't have a tracking number, would it? |
18:55.51 | mviron | AWOSDev! |
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19:04.14 | AWOSDev | mviron! |
19:05.33 | AWOSDev | Hey there Win, wanna play bzFlag? |
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19:11.08 | Winny | busy |
19:11.08 | Winny | sorry |
19:19.07 | JonathanD | hiya |
19:19.12 | JonathanD | AWOSDev: I'd have to ask Jerri |
19:23.08 | AWOSDev | JonathanD: no hurries. mainly just wondering how you sent it and when it will get here. that's all. |
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20:01.20 | inchworm | is there a perl guru in the house? |
20:02.20 | tjfontaine | probably be better off starting out with your real question ;) |
20:02.54 | inchworm | ok the real question is why some C code and some perl code, identical as can be, give different numberic answers |
20:03.02 | Tannerld | inchworm: lol |
20:03.06 | inchworm | http://rafb.net/p/E8C2uE18.html |
20:03.12 | inchworm | http://rafb.net/p/E8C2uE18.html |
20:03.14 | inchworm | err |
20:03.53 | inchworm | <PROTECTED> |
20:04.07 | inchworm | first one is C second is perl |
20:04.22 | inchworm | and they give significatly different answers |
20:04.56 | deryni | The for loop in eulerloop is different. |
20:05.07 | deryni | 1-n in C, 1-a in perl |
20:05.39 | tjfontaine | snazzy :) |
20:06.41 | inchworm | yah, i did stupid, put it isn't a problem as both are 10 in my test case |
20:10.06 | JKnife | ohh poo -_- i switched to wordpress and forgot to back up my posts |
20:10.34 | Tannerld | JKnife: eeeek |
20:24.01 | RudyValencia | hey |
20:24.21 | RudyValencia | I'm excited, because in the fall my uniform is changing. |
20:33.18 | ndim | RudyValencia: From Burger King to Mac D? |
20:33.27 | RudyValencia | No. |
20:33.47 | RudyValencia | Walgreens is changing from the current "vests" to polo shirts. |
20:33.58 | ndim | Ooo! |
20:34.25 | ndim | Sounds like a fundamental change. |
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20:36.28 | RudyValencia | yeah |
20:36.39 | RudyValencia | I won't have to wear a shirt and tie any longer |
20:36.55 | ndim | Ah, that is the issue. |
20:37.21 | ndim | I still don't see what the problem is with ties. |
20:37.28 | RudyValencia | It's not a problem |
20:37.41 | RudyValencia | Walgreens is changing the uniforms based on customer feedback |
20:38.11 | RudyValencia | The different-colored vests made it harder for customers to differentiate between employees and non-employees |
20:39.27 | RudyValencia | I'll be wearing a blue polo, managers wear slightly lighter blue and ties, and pharmacy staff remain unchanged (white vests for pharmacy techs, white smocks for pharmacists/pharmacy managers) |
20:39.57 | ndim | RAIN! |
20:40.06 | ndim | MORE! |
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20:40.10 | RudyValencia | s/slightly lighter blue/slightly lighter blue shirts/ |
20:45.37 | CBG | SpiderMan3++ |
20:47.03 | CBG | If you enjoyed SpiderMan 1 and/or 2, see 3. :) |
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20:51.24 | CBG | potc3? |
20:53.06 | starshine | *movie |
20:53.09 | starshine | hm ok :) |
20:54.00 | Winny | CBG: Pirates of the Carribean 3 |
20:54.21 | CBG | Ahhh. I still didn't see 2, but I wouldn't mind watching that, and then 3 as well. |
20:54.25 | CBG | 1 was fair. |
20:54.41 | Winny | I liked 2 better |
20:54.56 | Tannerld | 3 is out? |
20:55.15 | CBG | Dude.... |
20:55.15 | CBG | the new Die Hard will probably be the next film I see |
21:01.29 | EbErT | <PROTECTED> |
21:01.42 | CBG | "original" ? |
21:01.56 | EbErT | instead of moneymaking sequels |
21:02.54 | CBG | Oh, hmm, I saw TMNT fairly recently. |
21:02.54 | CBG | Not as incredible as expected, but still okay-ish. |
21:02.54 | CBG | Saw 300 before that, LOVED it. |
21:02.54 | EbErT | heh, i consider that a remake |
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21:02.56 | EbErT | the first 2 turtles were cool |
21:03.07 | CBG | EbErT: well, I suppose. |
21:03.13 | CBG | the story did KIND of follow on.. |
21:03.29 | EbErT | well, i haven't seen it, might tho because ppl did say it was good |
21:03.35 | EbErT | i just like how they looked before |
21:03.46 | CBG | Yeah, imho, the first 2 were better. |
21:03.56 | CBG | Well, the first one, don't think I ever saw the 2nd. |
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21:23.24 | essybot | ::christel:: I am a ditz. @ http://blog.simplychristel.net/index.php?/archives/155-I-am-a-ditz..html |
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21:24.25 | altoid | old news... |
21:24.35 | altoid | i mean...hi christel ^_^ |
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21:30.51 | tmiw | awww <3 |
21:30.53 | tmiw | :( |
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21:34.44 | Winny | ~lart tannerld |
21:34.44 | jbot | whips out a sword and chops tannerld in half |
21:34.54 | Winny | ~lart inchworm! |
21:34.54 | jbot | burns inchworm! to a crisp with a laser |
21:34.55 | Tannerld | hmm |
21:35.02 | Tannerld | so is tanner half empty or half full? |
21:35.27 | tmiw | the cup is too big for the requirements :D |
21:35.34 | tmiw | now it's full |
21:36.00 | Tannerld | lol |
21:36.26 | Winny | 1/2 of what I paid for?! |
21:36.27 | Winny | pft |
21:41.20 | Winny | Sportchick said she was "off for the weekend" |
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21:50.02 | Winny | why? |
21:50.03 | Guu | I guess why is it bad, Winny |
21:50.12 | Winny | better then Vista |
21:50.15 | Tannerld | heh |
21:50.38 | Winny | <:p |
21:51.05 | TD-Linux | they both are miserable :P |
21:51.21 | Winny | meh |
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21:52.03 | AWOSLappy | starshine/tonyyarusso/inchworm: laptop-questions-like-last-night pingy |
21:52.08 | TD-Linux | xp and vista are both miserable, too |
21:52.20 | AWOSLappy | TD-Linux: I know that but I have to. |
21:52.40 | TD-Linux | ? |
21:52.55 | AWOSLappy | TD-Linux: you were the one who last night said xp was my laptop's problem... |
21:53.08 | TD-Linux | I was? maybe |
21:53.12 | AWOSLappy | I figured that was a reply to me. |
21:53.18 | AWOSLappy | And my laptop-based pingy. |
21:53.24 | TD-Linux | no, it wasn't |
21:53.31 | AWOSLappy | Oh okay. |
21:53.33 | Winny | lard-based-pingy |
21:53.34 | AWOSLappy | Nevermind then. |
21:53.38 | AWOSLappy | Winny: ? |
21:53.53 | Winny | :p |
21:53.56 | AWOSLappy | ack, I can't even get ImageShack up |
21:54.31 | TD-Linux | use Linux :P |
21:54.40 | TD-Linux | ~hide me |
21:54.42 | jbot | ACTION gets a huge black sheet and covers td-linux with it so that nobody can see what td-linux is doing! |
21:55.39 | Winny | odd. |
21:56.16 | TD-Linux | even. |
21:56.32 | Winny | prime. |
21:56.39 | TD-Linux | compound. |
21:56.51 | Tannerld | infinte |
21:56.58 | TD-Linux | zero |
21:57.44 | Pumpernickel | i |
21:57.55 | TD-Linux | 1 |
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21:59.46 | TD-Linux | there goes the first server... |
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21:59.49 | AWOSLappy | Oh teh noes |
21:59.50 | AWOSLappy | I'M on niven! |
22:00.34 | AWOSLappy | CBG and unic0rn are MIN. |
22:00.34 | AWOSLappy | Missing In Netsplit. |
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22:00.35 | TD-Linux | I just realized that I was on the same server, but I didn't see myself quit or rejoin. |
22:01.02 | AWOSLappy | TD-Linux: hehe, exactly. |
22:01.25 | Erroneous | the server you recieve the messages from is always your server |
22:01.28 | AWOSLappy | [17:50:19] -niven.freenode.net- *** Your host is niven.freenode.net[niven.freenode.net/6667], running version hyperion-1.0.2b |
22:01.47 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: ah, didn't know that. |
22:01.49 | Erroneous | ===- Welcome to kornbluth.freenode.net in Frankfurt, DE, EU. |
22:01.53 | Erroneous | |<--jh` has left freenode (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
22:02.05 | TD-Linux | oh :P |
22:02.05 | AWOSLappy | Hey Erroneous!!!! |
22:02.16 | AWOSLappy | Can you help me with my parp yet? |
22:02.38 | TD-Linux | Erroneous, too late |
22:02.58 | AWOSLappy | Yes, Erroneous, too late :D |
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22:03.17 | AWOSLappy | There be unic0rn. |
22:03.54 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: aw :-( |
22:04.31 | unic0rn | ;] |
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22:32.17 | altoid | st*u, jbot -_- |
22:33.25 | TD-Linux | aww, that was my server that was restarted :( |
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22:36.46 | Winny | you donate a server, TD-Linux? |
22:37.12 | TD-Linux | no, I meant the server I was connected to :P |
22:37.19 | Winny | oh :p |
22:37.26 | TD-Linux | english needs another pronoun or whatever it's called. |
22:38.59 | Erroneous | posessive personal pronoun...the problem is that you used the possessive incorrectly, you should have said "aw, the server that I was on restarted" |
22:39.18 | Erroneous | since you were not intending to imply ownership |
22:39.32 | TD-Linux | too wordy :P |
22:39.56 | ndim | too verbose :-P |
22:40.12 | starshine | ownership the other way |
22:40.30 | starshine | aw, the server that owned me was restarted :) |
22:40.34 | ndim | LOLÖ |
22:40.59 | Erroneous | yup, you got owned |
22:41.02 | starshine | only with scriptkidzors that doesn't come out right either! |
22:41.37 | starshine | welcome to english, that language which mugs others for their small change and wallet photos. |
22:41.43 | Erroneous | "the server to which I was connected" is more precise anyway |
22:42.12 | Erroneous | or you could say "I got netsplit" |
22:43.03 | ndim | starshine: Yeah. The language where "this sucks" and "this blows" means the same. |
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22:49.09 | ndim | http://www.bike-revolution.at/images/1050502.jpg *sigh* |
22:50.46 | L4m3r | must be heavy, tho... |
22:51.13 | ndim | 21.5kg plus |
22:51.30 | ndim | works for me |
22:52.28 | Erroneous | mmm |
22:57.26 | ndim | ~weather EDDS |
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23:07.02 | Olipro | hi guys |
23:11.02 | ndim | ARGH. |
23:11.09 | ndim | Now I am hungry again. |
23:11.22 | ndim | No macs available, though. |
23:11.56 | ndim | Olipro: Is there also a Olihome version? |
23:14.20 | ndim | mviron: May I offer you anything? A slice of self made yeast/spelt whole corn bread with a thick layer of butter perhaps? |
23:15.02 | starshine | hehe |
23:15.37 | Winny | ooh, cheese |
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23:16.46 | mviron | ndim: that's fine -- I'm full now -- starshine passed along some roasted turkey in gravy |
23:18.23 | altoid | :o |
23:18.27 | altoid | some...what?! |
23:18.51 | mviron | lol |
23:19.22 | altoid | :o |
23:19.37 | Olipro | ndim: no, it's OliUltimate now |
23:20.27 | altoid | NOW we're talkin' |
23:21.43 | altoid | oi |
23:21.50 | altoid | i have less than negative money |
23:21.53 | altoid | gl with billing me |
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23:45.35 | ndim | To dampen the jazz sounds? |
23:46.05 | inchworm | for his comfort, a tin is a hard place to live in |
23:48.26 | inchworm | and altoid-sized house is a tin, no? |
23:48.32 | ndim | hehe |
23:49.27 | altoid | one can sleep on anything |
23:49.32 | altoid | just how comfortably |
23:49.36 | altoid | * is the question |
23:52.18 | ndim | Yay. More rain! |
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