IRC log for ##essy on 20070504

00:00.38tjfontainezomg lag
00:20.33AWOSLappystarshine/tonyyarusso: do you remember my laptop?  with the hard disk thing?
00:20.49altoidyou had a laptop with a hard disk?!?!?!
00:20.56AWOSLappyaltoid: lol
00:22.21AWOSLappyDell FTW!!!!
00:22.21AWOSLappyhttp://www.smallbusinesscomputing.com/news/article.php/3675216
00:22.31AWOSLappyw0000000000000000000000000000000000000000t!
00:23.48starshineAWOSLappy: it works I take it :)
00:25.24AWOSLappystarshine: on the contrary.
00:25.33AWOSLappystarshine: it works but is slower than my Celeron/500
00:26.18AWOSLappythis laptop: Celeron/1600, 30GB ATA/100 hard disk, 512MB RAM
00:26.29AWOSLappythe desktop: Celeron/500, ATA66 hard disks, 256MB RAM
00:26.30altoidceleron!
00:26.53AWOSLappynow can anyone explain to me why the laptop is slower than the desktop?
00:27.05AWOSLappyAnd don't say the problem is the Celly under the hood.
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00:29.44Vampierdrill drill drill pluck pluck pluck
00:32.31AWOSLappytax tax tax; spend spend spend; elect elect elect!
00:32.54altoidis that the democrats again?
00:34.10AWOSLappyaltoid: no, it was republicans in the 1930s
00:34.14AWOSLappywell
00:34.16AWOSLappyand democrats
00:34.23AWOSLappythe whole gov't in the 1930s
00:34.24AWOSLappy:P
00:34.27altoid:P
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00:47.13altoidlet him donate a few servers and we'll buy into it ;)
00:47.30altoiderrr, wrong dang channel >_<
00:50.59inchwormAWOSLappy: what OS?
00:51.15inchwormAWOSLappy: specifially I'm wondering if the processor is fully throttled up
00:51.42inchwormAWOSLappy: two heat? is the cpu throtteling back from heat
00:52.06TD-Linuxyou might want to vaccum out the heatsinks
00:52.08inchwormAWOSLappy: three, how do you know it's slower?  benchmark? "feel" ?
01:00.14AWOSLappyinchworm: 1)  Windows ex-pee.
01:00.21AWOSLappyinchworm: 2) not hot.  even has a cooler.
01:00.45AWOSLappyinchworm: 3) it feels much slower.  Firefox is starting slower, clicking things takes seconds instead of immediate.  the freaking Start button doesn't even come up immediately
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01:01.34AWOSLappyinchworm: it is not throttling.  according to the Intel frequency thingy, it is at the expected 1.6GHz
01:06.50tonyyarussoAWOSLappy: Yeah, what's up with the lappy now?
01:07.54AWOSLappytonyyarusso: extremely slow for some unknown reason
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01:08.09tonyyarussohrm
01:08.23tonyyarussoPresumably nothing in top
01:12.06inchwormAWOSLappy: virus? or other unexpected background process?
01:12.48inchwormAWOSLappy: in may limited experience, laptops are only slower than desktops in disk I/O and graphics
01:13.05inchwormyour standard Windows interface should not be effected
01:13.46mvironinchworm!
01:15.37AWOSLappytonyyarusso: hehe, no, there is nothing unusual in the Windows Task Manager.
01:15.37AWOSLappyinchworm: neither one
01:15.37inchwormmviron!
01:15.38AWOSLappymviron!
01:15.40inchwormAWOSLappy: dunno then
01:15.41tonyyarussoWell now we know what's eating all the resources.  ;)
01:15.48AWOSLappytonyyarusso: :)
01:15.53AWOSLappyI'm still scared to boot Linux.
01:16.06VampierOLA!
01:16.13inchwormAWOSLappy: if you have a spare hard drive, I would install a fresh copy on it and then check speed again
01:16.35inchwormAWOSLappy: scared to boot?
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01:16.57AWOSLappyinchworm: sadly I do not have a spare hard drive.
01:17.01AWOSLappyinchworm: yes scared to boot.
01:17.10inchwormok
01:17.27inchwormnot even a knoppix disk?
01:17.32AWOSLappytonyyarusso: I am still waiting for a response my ping that I pinged you a week ago.  I asked what I should do with it, because I backed up the really *important* data
01:17.53AWOSLappyinchworm: well I have LiveCDs but they are slower than vista.... XP
01:18.08tonyyarussoAWOSLappy: well, if it's backed up, whatever you want.  Buy a new hard drive and reinstall is a good option perhaps
01:19.35AWOSLappytonyyarusso: Hrm.  well I don't have $200 for a new laptop hard disk lying around.  afaict I can only buy drives from HP
01:19.45tonyyarussough
01:19.51RudyValenciaI'm still trying to build models of buildings, but haven't found a simple, decent 3d program for that. None of the simple ones have the numeric input I usually need, and none of the complex ones are understandable.
01:19.53AWOSLappytonyyarusso: I was thinking of wiping the ext3 partition and installing Feisty
01:20.04tonyyarussoAWOSLappy: that may work too
01:20.06AWOSLappyRudyValencia: oooooooh I found the perfect one for you but I don't remember what it is called
01:20.16AWOSLappyRudyValencia: I even thought to myself, "ooh RudyValencia will want that"
01:20.19RudyValenciaIt isn't Google SketchUp is it?
01:20.23AWOSLappynoo
01:21.11AWOSLappyRudyValencia: did you try k3d by any chance?
01:21.35RudyValenciaLinux program?
01:21.47RudyValencia(Keep in mind I'm running Windows)
01:22.49AWOSLappyRudyValencia: oh.
01:23.09AWOSLappyI can almost guarantee you I saw it on SourceForge or apt-cache
01:23.12AWOSLappyTHATS IT!
01:23.17RudyValenciaWait, it's Windows based.
01:23.19AWOSLappyit is project of the week/month on SF
01:23.33RudyValenciaI can try K3D since it has a Windows installer
01:25.02AWOSLappyApril Project of the Month: Art of Illusion
01:25.02AWOSLappyArt of Illusion (AOI) is a 3-D graphics studio that provides modeling, texturing, animation, and rendering in a single
01:25.02AWOSLappyprogram. It is designed to be easy to use so that new users can pick it up quickly, while still providing advanced features
01:25.02AWOSLappyto let experienced users create professional-quality artwork.
01:25.03AWOSLappyIts most striking feature is its simple GUI, which provides access to powerful and sophisticated features. The fact that it
01:25.06AWOSLappyis written in pure Java gives it strong cross-platform support, and with today's Java technology, performance is not an
01:25.09AWOSLappyissue. Finally, AOI is built on a strong core/plugin architecture, which makes it easy for even programming neophytes to
01:25.12AWOSLappyenhance AOI to suit their purposes.
01:25.14AWOSLappyHome Page: http://artofillusion.com
01:26.26AWOSLappylol, the home page got screwed
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01:26.46AWOSLappybeing SourceForge Project of the Month is like being slashdotted XP
01:27.09AWOSLappyyou may be able to get to it through Project Page: https://sourceforge.net/projects/aoi/
01:27.59AWOSLappy^^^^ all of the above for RudyValencia
01:29.01AWOSLappytonyyarusso: is there a hard disk equivalent of memtest86+?
01:29.22tonyyarussoAWOSLappy: if your drive supports SMART there's something
01:29.30tjfontainebadblock?
01:29.38tjfontaine:)
01:30.17tonyyarussoAWOSLappy: smartmontools
01:30.26deryniYou can use vmstat and iostat to see a bunch of info about your disk/cpu.
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01:31.03tjfontaineyes, or top to see if you're in wait
01:31.41AWOSLappytonyyarusso: okay thanks.
01:31.50AWOSLappytjfontaine: is there such a utility?  I am still new to low-level Linux.
01:32.23tjfontaineAWOSLappy: to check for badblocks? of course
01:32.46tjfontaineit's called: badblocks
01:32.52Pumpernickel*gasp*
01:33.19RudyValenciaI don't think I can use any of those.
01:34.10RudyValenciaWhat I need is something like a 3D equivalent to Illustrator.
01:34.19RudyValenciaSketchUp is the closest I've found.
01:35.30RudyValenciaBut it has limitations.
01:35.57RudyValenciaMost notably, the lack of a "where the cursor is at right now" type of indication.
01:36.26RudyValenciaAlso, the lack of being able to say, "place this object at (x, y, z)
01:37.00tjfontainewell, hmm I wonder if this code works
01:57.45tjfontainehah kick ass
02:08.15tjfontaine:)
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03:22.01Slynderdale*** "Turn Your FPS Skills Into Cash" - http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/02/1752257 - "Another option is a perpetual, ongoing game that players can drop into at any time. If you get killed, you lose $1. If you kill another player, you get $1."
03:30.35SlynderdaleO.o A tux doll?
03:30.38SportChick:)
03:30.38starshinewith a starfleet uniform :D
03:30.39SlynderdalePlease tell me its not red o.o
03:30.41starshinethe only uniform I have for Tux is TNG red, which is command
03:30.41starshineis that ok?
03:30.43SlynderdaleWeren't they the expendable ones that always died on away missions?
03:30.44SportChickheh
03:31.21starshinenah TNG red are all player characters
03:31.21starshine100% win
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03:47.03SportChicknanoc: you here?
03:52.47SportChickFrancoGG|gone, nanoc, manu?
03:53.12nanocSportChick: playing ET
03:53.22nanocSportChick: but could do a quick in the meantime
03:53.27SportChicknanoc: wanna help me and do some translation?
03:53.36nanocSportChick: paste it
03:53.50SportChicknanoc: it would be easier to have you both in the same channel
03:54.16nanocSportChick: who is the other guy?
03:54.17SportChicknanoc: I invited you to a channel
03:54.33SportChicklnx\
03:54.50SportChickcome to ##essy-private, nanoc
03:55.48Slynderdale##essy-private ? o.o Are you having a party without me?
03:56.21SportChickit's a problem-resolving channel, Slynderdale
03:56.47SlynderdaleAh I see, alright :)
03:58.56SportChick~nanoc++
03:59.41Slynderdale~SportChick++
03:59.43Slynderdale:)
03:59.46SportChickheh
04:02.06SlynderdaleI'm glad I met you SportChick, I know I may not be the moest talkative person on ##essy, but I am glad you invited me here. Your one of the kindess people I have ever met in my life and its always a pleasure talking to you. :)
04:03.21SportChickSlynderdale: good thing you weren't listening this afternoon - I was a bit snippy with awosdev
04:03.25SportChick~awosdev++
04:03.37SportChickAWOSdev: and, btw, I'm sorry :(
04:04.51SlynderdaleSportChick: Well, even a saint has their off moments :) No ones perfect. Though I did mean what I said, it warms my heart knowing theres people who still care so much about others like you :)
04:05.23SportChickawww
04:08.08SportChick~nanoc++
04:08.19nanocSportChick: another?
04:08.26nanoccool, I'll raise in the rankings :P
04:08.30SportChickyes :)  because you're great ;)
04:08.37Slynderdale~karma nanoc
04:08.37jbotnanoc has karma of 4
04:08.42SportChicknanoc: does he need anything else?
04:08.50Slynderdale~karma
04:08.50jbotslynderdale has karma of 7
04:08.53SportChick~nanoc++
04:08.59Slynderdale~karma SportChick
04:08.59jbotsportchick has karma of 511
04:09.02SlynderdalexD
04:09.05SportChickSlynderdale: I invite you to karma nanoc - he's DEFINITELY earned it :)
04:09.16Slynderdale~nanoc++
04:09.19SlynderdaleThere you go :)
04:09.32nanocSportChick: i guess that's it
04:09.40SportChicknanoc: ok :)
04:10.45SportChicknanoc: what is unrato?
04:10.51SportChick~x es en unrato
04:10.59SportChickbleh
04:13.16SportChick~x es en mas unrato amigo
04:21.19RudyValenciaSportChick: I need some help. Seriously.
04:21.40SportChickRudyValencia: what kind of help?  I'm getting ready to go to the airport and pick up mozul
04:22.07RudyValenciaI'll tell you later, if it's important that you pick him up.
04:22.27SportChickRudyValencia: well, yes, I haven't seen him in 2 weeks
04:22.37SportChickgo ahead and tell me know - I'll read in between doing things
04:22.51RudyValenciaIt's alright - go ahead :)
04:23.05SportChickwell, I'll be gone all weekend :)
04:23.15SportChickso either tell me now, or you'll probably need someone else to help :)
04:23.28nanocSportChick: "un rato" == "a while"
04:23.38SportChicknanoc: ok :)  thanks
04:23.48RudyValenciaSorry to bother. I'll ask someone else :)
04:24.00SportChicksorry RudyValencia :)
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04:54.37deryniWas the person saying that 12?
04:55.13chillin21 :P
04:55.22chillintechy physics friend
05:13.28Vampiersit !
05:13.30Vampierwake up
05:13.43sitVampier: que pasa?
05:13.46Vampierwow
05:13.47Vampier:)
05:13.50Vampieru're awake
05:13.50chillin>poke sit
05:13.52Vampiergo to bed dude
05:13.56Vampier~sit sit
05:14.09jbotACTION puts on 200lbs, sits on sit and squishes him
05:14.11Vampier~dump tale
05:14.16Vampier~eat impusneetim
05:14.18jbotACTION eats impusneetim and falls over dead
05:14.34Vampier~spawn dead soldier 666
05:14.47sitfine, be that way
05:14.56Vampierlol
05:14.58Vampier~wander off
05:15.17Vampier~wiki wiki
05:16.59RudyValenciaI really need to do something with my life
05:17.11Vampieryes
05:17.17Vampiermake me a calzone pizza
05:17.20RudyValenciahehe
05:17.24RudyValenciaAnyway...
05:17.26Vampier:P
05:20.23RudyValenciaI work in a drugstore and make $7.25/hr. While that's a fairly decent wage, it doesn't entirely pay down my debt or provide me any money. I don't know what I can do to make more money.
05:20.49tonyyarussoA drugstore?  icky
05:21.01sitRudyValencia: go to college
05:21.23sitRudyValencia: stay in school, don't use drugs, close the loop
05:21.33RudyValenciasit: I'm in a "break-even" financial status at this time
05:22.29sitRudyValencia: financial aid
05:22.45sitperfect time to go to school.  you can't get aid when you're making too much more than $7.25/hr
05:23.52RudyValenciaGoing to school would mean having to cut my hours, wouldn't it?
05:24.12RudyValencias/cut my hours/cut my work hours/
05:24.27tonyyarussoprobably
05:24.34sitRudyValencia: no
05:24.45sittons of people work full time and go to school
05:24.55sitit's not easy, but it's do-able
05:24.56RudyValenciaHow can I do a 40-hour work week and study at the same time?
05:25.26sitplus if you force yourself, you can survive working part time
05:25.51siti worked my way through school part time.  w/ financial aid, i go away with it w/o any loans
05:26.16RudyValenciaHow much does financial aid cover?
05:26.27Vampiernite
05:26.36RudyValenciagoodnight, Vampier
05:26.42situnless you got a high paying job elsewhere, try getting a job on campus.  that's what i did.  cutting down commute time between class and work lets you squeeze in much more time.  plus campus jobs are super chill and you can get your homework/studying done while getting paid
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05:26.52Vampiernite
05:26.52sitRudyValencia: varies
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05:27.06RudyValenciasit: I already have a job, the aforementioned drugstore clerk job
05:27.42sitRudyValencia: campus jobs can pay more and offer more flexibility
05:27.56RudyValenciaA campus job can pay more than $7.25/hr?
05:28.00tonyyarussoYou should be able to get something more than $7.25 anyway.
05:28.04sityes, quite more
05:28.08RudyValenciareally?
05:28.10RudyValenciawow
05:28.37RudyValenciaRight now the most pressing concern is that I am about $4,000 behind (debts + current obligations)
05:28.39siti started my campus job at $8.xx/hr iirc
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05:29.14RudyValenciajk
05:29.16RudyValencia*k
05:29.20RudyValenciaok
05:29.26siti had a friend who was making $25/hr at her campus job during ugrad.  but it was research related and at a really expensive private school, so that figure is probably an outlier
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05:29.57deryniI worked on campus and made $14.50 by the end, I started at $9.
05:30.04sitRudyValencia: if you wait till you're making more and have your debts paid off, you'll have a hard time getting financial aid
05:30.13sitfinancial aid is much easier to get when you're poor
05:30.39RudyValenciaoh, so since I have these debts, it'll be easier to get into school *with* them than *without* ?
05:30.51sitplus student loans can help cut your debt down cuz their subsidized
05:31.54sitRudyValencia: having existing debts won't really affect your chances of getting financial aid, so it's pretty much neutral.  but from your point of view, it's harder cuz it's another burden you have to worry about
05:32.22RudyValenciamy credit rating is bad because of my debts.
05:32.30siti'd do it though, cuz you can get extra student loans at a much lower rate than you're probably paying on your current loans.  pay off their higher interest loans
05:32.38sitschools don't care about your credit score
05:33.09RudyValencialike, I have a $2400 debt in collections.
05:33.16RudyValenciaI'm paying $100/mo. on it.
05:33.48RudyValenciacan I still use a student loan to pay that off?
05:33.56sityup
05:34.21sitget a student loan check for like $5k, use half of it to pay off your debt, use the other half to eat ramen everyday for six months
05:34.48tonyyarussoDude, you can eat better than ramen
05:34.50sitwhile you're still in school, student loans are like 2% apr
05:34.56tonyyarussojust be smart about your shopping
05:35.02sitif you're lucky, you can even get 0% loans
05:35.21sitsteak?  no, money is too tight for steak.  steak?  uh...sure, steak...
05:35.36tonyyarussoI didn't say steak - I just said better than ramen
05:35.37sittonyyarusso: snob.  ramen is da bomb
05:35.41tonyyarussoick
05:36.11sitshoot, i'll still be eating ramen after i win the lottery and become a millionare
05:36.28tonyyarusso+and
05:36.29GuuRumor has it and is he? :), tonyyarusso
05:36.40sitwtf?
05:36.48sitgrrr
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06:47.42*** topic/##essy by SportChick -> Welcome to the family-friendly home of SC's friends and family || Channel stats http://tinyurl.com/34cyy3 & Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/227cna || FN staffblog: http://blog.freenode.net/ || scrabby is back! join ##essy-scrabby. For a-z, join ##essy-game || "Handshakes are for strangers. We hug around here." -Longfellow Deeds || If you ask before pm'ing SportChick, you'll be heavily larted || Happy birthday, christel (on the 6th) ||
06:49.32*** topic/##essy by SportChick -> Welcome to the family-friendly home of SC's friends and family | Channel stats http://tinyurl.com/34cyy3 & Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/227cna | FN staffblog: http://blog.freenode.net/ | scrabby is back! join ##essy-scrabby. For a-z, join ##essy-game | "Handshakes are for strangers. We hug around here." -Longfellow Deeds | Happy birthday, christel (on the 6th) ||
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07:13.52Pommes~hug SportChick back
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07:39.01AWOSLappygoodnight.
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07:43.14essybot_::PeanutHorst:: CeBIT Australia Photos @ http://peanuthorst.livejournal.com/40942.html
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11:03.43essybot_::christel:: ! @ http://blog.simplychristel.net/index.php?/archives/154-!.html
11:19.34ndimBlood full of oxygen and stuff.
11:43.17ndimJKnife, AWOSDev, altoid: regarding our mkcd() bash function from the other day... I think I have the "ultimate" version now:
11:43.20ndim$ grep mkcd ~/.bashrc
11:43.22ndimmkcd() { mkdir -p "$1" && cd "$1"; }
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12:10.40essybot_::dmp:: Update 20070504 @ http://koderen.dk/2007/05/04/update-20070504
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14:49.26essybot::menza:: And now for a Public Service Announcement…. @ http://menza.org/2007/05/and-now-for-a-public-service-announcement
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15:30.05Winnylotsa freenode ops in ##essy :p
15:31.06SportChickWinny: one or two :)
15:31.12SportChickand we're all watching you ;)
15:31.13tjfontaineoh, btw, 4 dead in oHIo
15:31.39Winnyerrr
15:31.53SportChicktjfontaine: ?
15:31.54Guuhmm... tjfontaine: is there such a utility? I am still new to low-level Linux, SportChick
15:32.05tjfontainehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_Shootings am not on campus to observe
15:32.25Winnyshit... another kent shooting?
15:32.31tjfontaineno
15:32.33tjfontainethe same.
15:32.37Winnyoh...
15:32.38SportChicktjfontaine: isn't that just rehashing the old onje?
15:32.47tjfontaineSportChick: today is the observance day
15:32.54tjfontaineSportChick: it's the university I attend
15:33.00SportChicktjfontaine: ohh, I see
15:34.43mvironworkSportChick!
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15:35.28unic0rn:>
15:35.35SportChickunic0rn: chicks rule ;)
15:35.39SportChick~chicks
15:35.41jbotCHICKS RULE!!!
15:35.43SportChicksee?
15:35.45SportChick:)
15:35.45unic0rn:D
15:35.50unic0rn;]
15:35.51unic0rnayu is a chick, also ;]
15:35.56Winny~guys
15:35.58jbotGuys Rule! (unless, of course, there are chicks around, in which case, the chicks just LET the guys think they are ruling, but really the CHICKS RULE!!!)
15:36.06unic0rn(but i've cutted out proper responses;])
15:36.18SportChickndim: are you sick?
15:36.40Winnyhe is in the head ;)
15:38.13ndimSportChick: No, but there are so many chick(en)s about.
15:38.20SportChickndim: :p
15:38.28SportChickndim: more than you probably even realize :)
15:39.22unic0rnso many chicks... and i'm supposed to be coding in tcl.. how can i concentrate... there's so many chicks around... and they all rule.... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
15:40.18ndimunic0rn: I'm sure someone can arrange a mercy kick for you.
15:40.28ndimTo help you concentrate.
15:40.33ndim:)
15:40.37unic0rnndim: no, thanks :P
15:40.56unic0rni like this state of mind ;]
15:41.31SportChickunic0rn: welcome to ##essy
15:41.36SportChickeveryone: meet unic0rn
15:41.39SportChickunic0rn: meet everyone
15:41.44unic0rn\o/
15:41.49unic0rn*^^*
15:44.33RudyValenciaI'm working on a point-of-sale program in VB with hopes to redo it in something with a GUI later.
15:44.43RudyValencia(a better GUI, rather)
15:45.08RudyValencias/(a better GUI, rather)/I'm working on a point-of-sale program in VB with hopes to redo it in something better later.
15:45.12RudyValenciaoops
15:45.22RudyValenciaAnyway...
15:45.24donny_bakerpoint-of-sale? general or specialized?
15:45.39ndimI hope it does not need mouse clicks.
15:45.43RudyValenciaWell, specialized for dining and/or entertainment
15:45.59donny_bakercool
15:46.06RudyValenciaWell it uses touchscreen input, which is basically a one-button mouse
15:46.25RudyValenciaSo far the only part I have been able to code is the login screen.
15:46.25ndimOK, that can be operated quickly.
15:46.30donny_bakeri worked in IT in retail for about 10 years and POS systems were always on the radar
15:46.54RudyValenciaI'm writing it in VB6 so it will run on even Windows 98.
15:51.50RudyValenciaAgain, all I have at the moment is the login screen with skeleton code.
15:52.08RudyValenciaI've yet to write the actual system program
15:54.43RudyValenciahm, maybe I should use something more portable.
16:02.34unic0rn:D
16:03.40SportChickcu all later
16:03.45SportChick~sue Winny
16:03.47jbotACTION acting on orders from an unspecified client, drags Winny into court suing for $200 million
16:03.48unic0rncya SportChick :]
16:03.53Winnybye SC
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16:44.52altoidmornin'
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17:11.34starshinetoday's just not gonna be my day :(
17:14.34Winnyhow do you know that?
17:39.32starshineI'm going to consider the advice of a dear friend when the idle chatter turned to allergy meds
17:39.49starshine"funny, I'd have thought better breathing would be a mood improvement all by itself :)"
17:45.58altoidhehe
17:46.51forcerainlol
18:05.20JKnifeo.O programs written in BF cannot be opensource :) "Deliberately obfuscated source code is not allowed."
18:05.30JKnifehttp://www.opensource.org/docs/osd
18:06.47JKnife:(
18:07.06JKnifeo.O wow.. umm according to that GPLv3 != opensource
18:07.15JKniferead "9. License Must Not Restrict Other Software"
18:12.47JKnifei take that back... GPLv2 != opensource.. because if you LINK to a GPL lib. your program MUST be released under the GPL.. that is why they made the LGPL
18:13.13starshineyeah yeah, viral licensing.  been complained about loudly before :)
18:13.28tjfontainethat's not necessarily true, but more indepth than I want to go into right now
18:15.57JKnifetjfontaine, "This General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs."
18:16.05JKnifehttp://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/info/GPLv2.html
18:16.34JKnifeincorporating includes linking
18:18.05tjfontaineit's not as clear cut and dry as: if library is GPL and you want to link to it you must also be GPL
18:18.16tjfontainethat's just the easiest way to understand/handle the situation
18:19.19JKnifethat is what it says..
18:20.11JKnife\o/
18:23.50tjfontaineJKnife: code may be licensed under one form but compatible with others, the enforcement of copyright falls to the most restrictive of the licenses it's compatible with
18:24.03tjfontainewhen used in combination with that code
18:25.16JKnifewell if that is the case.. then i could write up my own license and use GPL code in a closed source program and nothing can be done about it?
18:27.18tjfontaineJKnife: you're misinterpreting my statement
18:27.51tjfontaineJKnife: to use GPL'd code with differently licensed code the second license must be compatible with GPL
18:28.24tjfontaineJKnife: the differently licensed code maintains its license, but is also enforced under GPL if the whole project is reused elsewhere
18:28.38tjfontaineJKnife: if only the differently licensed code is reused it maintains its own license
18:29.15JKnifeyou have misunderstood me... i said the GPL is not opensource by the definition on opensource.org under section 9.. when the gpl states you CANNOT link in GPL v2 lic. programs into  proprietary programs
18:29.43tjfontaineno, you said that if you want to link GPL code that the resulting code *MUST* be GPL and I said that's not necessarily true
18:29.46deryniThat point is talking about other distributed packages.
18:29.52deryniNot linked with.
18:30.20forceraintjfontaine, LGPL allows linking.. GPL doesn't
18:30.40JKnifeopps
18:30.46JKnifederyni, you are right XD
18:30.48forcerainthat's all one really need say lol
18:31.09forcerainand GPL code can be distributed with proprietary AFAIK
18:33.18JKnifeforcerain, =\ http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=gpl
18:34.07JKnifeand yes it can be..
18:34.45mvironJKnife!
18:34.57JKnifemviron!
18:36.39JKnife\o/ my rom is even messier now!
18:36.43JKniferoom*
18:38.32mvironhow's it messier?
18:38.41mvironyou don't even know what the stuff is
18:38.42mvironlol
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18:40.51JKnifebut any stuff i put in my room.. means more clutter... means messier
18:41.18JonathanDhi.
18:43.50Winnybum bum ba ba
18:43.56Winnybum bum boo dap
18:46.16mvironJKnife: sorry...they just left....your room is too much of a mess even for them
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18:55.24AWOSDevHi JonathanD!  my package wouldn't have a tracking number, would it?
18:55.51mvironAWOSDev!
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19:04.14AWOSDevmviron!
19:05.33AWOSDevHey there Win, wanna play bzFlag?
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19:11.08Winnybusy
19:11.08Winnysorry
19:19.07JonathanDhiya
19:19.12JonathanDAWOSDev: I'd have to ask Jerri
19:23.08AWOSDevJonathanD: no hurries.  mainly just wondering how you sent it and when it will get here.  that's all.
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20:01.20inchwormis there a perl guru in the house?
20:02.20tjfontaineprobably be better off starting out with your real question ;)
20:02.54inchwormok the real question is why some C code and some perl code, identical as can be, give different numberic answers
20:03.02Tannerldinchworm: lol
20:03.06inchwormhttp://rafb.net/p/E8C2uE18.html
20:03.12inchwormhttp://rafb.net/p/E8C2uE18.html
20:03.14inchwormerr
20:03.53inchworm<PROTECTED>
20:04.07inchwormfirst one is C second is perl
20:04.22inchwormand they give significatly different answers
20:04.56deryniThe for loop in eulerloop is different.
20:05.07deryni1-n in C, 1-a in perl
20:05.39tjfontainesnazzy :)
20:06.41inchwormyah, i did stupid, put it isn't a problem as both are 10 in my test case
20:10.06JKnifeohh poo -_- i switched to wordpress and forgot to back up my posts
20:10.34TannerldJKnife: eeeek
20:24.01RudyValenciahey
20:24.21RudyValenciaI'm excited, because in the fall my uniform is changing.
20:33.18ndimRudyValencia: From Burger King to Mac D?
20:33.27RudyValenciaNo.
20:33.47RudyValenciaWalgreens is changing from the current "vests" to polo shirts.
20:33.58ndimOoo!
20:34.25ndimSounds like a fundamental change.
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20:36.28RudyValenciayeah
20:36.39RudyValenciaI won't have to wear a shirt and tie any longer
20:36.55ndimAh, that is the issue.
20:37.21ndimI still don't see what the problem is with ties.
20:37.28RudyValenciaIt's not a problem
20:37.41RudyValenciaWalgreens is changing the uniforms based on customer feedback
20:38.11RudyValenciaThe different-colored vests made it harder for customers to differentiate between employees and non-employees
20:39.27RudyValenciaI'll be wearing a blue polo, managers wear slightly lighter blue and ties, and pharmacy staff remain unchanged (white vests for pharmacy techs, white smocks for pharmacists/pharmacy managers)
20:39.57ndimRAIN!
20:40.06ndimMORE!
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20:40.10RudyValencias/slightly lighter blue/slightly lighter blue shirts/
20:45.37CBGSpiderMan3++
20:47.03CBGIf you enjoyed SpiderMan 1 and/or 2, see 3. :)
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20:51.24CBGpotc3?
20:53.06starshine*movie
20:53.09starshinehm ok :)
20:54.00WinnyCBG: Pirates of the Carribean 3
20:54.21CBGAhhh. I still didn't see 2, but I wouldn't mind watching that, and then 3 as well.
20:54.25CBG1 was fair.
20:54.41WinnyI liked 2 better
20:54.56Tannerld3 is out?
20:55.15CBGDude....
20:55.15CBGthe new Die Hard will probably be the next film I see
21:01.29EbErT<PROTECTED>
21:01.42CBG"original" ?
21:01.56EbErTinstead of moneymaking sequels
21:02.54CBGOh, hmm, I saw TMNT fairly recently.
21:02.54CBGNot as incredible as expected, but still okay-ish.
21:02.54CBGSaw 300 before that, LOVED it.
21:02.54EbErTheh, i consider that a remake
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21:02.56EbErTthe first 2 turtles were cool
21:03.07CBGEbErT: well, I suppose.
21:03.13CBGthe story did KIND of follow on..
21:03.29EbErTwell, i haven't seen it, might tho because ppl did say it was good
21:03.35EbErTi just like how they looked before
21:03.46CBGYeah, imho, the first 2 were better.
21:03.56CBGWell, the first one, don't think I ever saw the 2nd.
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21:23.24essybot::christel:: I am a ditz. @ http://blog.simplychristel.net/index.php?/archives/155-I-am-a-ditz..html
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21:24.25altoidold news...
21:24.35altoidi mean...hi christel ^_^
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21:30.51tmiwawww <3
21:30.53tmiw:(
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21:34.44Winny~lart tannerld
21:34.44jbotwhips out a sword and chops tannerld in half
21:34.54Winny~lart inchworm!
21:34.54jbotburns inchworm! to a crisp with a laser
21:34.55Tannerldhmm
21:35.02Tannerldso is tanner half empty or half full?
21:35.27tmiwthe cup is too big for the requirements :D
21:35.34tmiwnow it's full
21:36.00Tannerldlol
21:36.26Winny1/2 of what I paid for?!
21:36.27Winnypft
21:41.20WinnySportchick said she was "off for the weekend"
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21:50.02Winnywhy?
21:50.03GuuI guess why is it bad, Winny
21:50.12Winnybetter then Vista
21:50.15Tannerldheh
21:50.38Winny<:p
21:51.05TD-Linuxthey both are miserable :P
21:51.21Winnymeh
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21:52.03AWOSLappystarshine/tonyyarusso/inchworm: laptop-questions-like-last-night pingy
21:52.08TD-Linuxxp and vista are both miserable, too
21:52.20AWOSLappyTD-Linux: I know that but I have to.
21:52.40TD-Linux?
21:52.55AWOSLappyTD-Linux: you were the one who last night said xp was my laptop's problem...
21:53.08TD-LinuxI was? maybe
21:53.12AWOSLappyI figured that was a reply to me.
21:53.18AWOSLappyAnd my laptop-based pingy.
21:53.24TD-Linuxno, it wasn't
21:53.31AWOSLappyOh okay.
21:53.33Winnylard-based-pingy
21:53.34AWOSLappyNevermind then.
21:53.38AWOSLappyWinny: ?
21:53.53Winny:p
21:53.56AWOSLappyack, I can't even get ImageShack up
21:54.31TD-Linuxuse Linux :P
21:54.40TD-Linux~hide me
21:54.42jbotACTION gets a huge black sheet and covers td-linux with it so that nobody can see what td-linux is doing!
21:55.39Winnyodd.
21:56.16TD-Linuxeven.
21:56.32Winnyprime.
21:56.39TD-Linuxcompound.
21:56.51Tannerldinfinte
21:56.58TD-Linuxzero
21:57.44Pumpernickeli
21:57.55TD-Linux1
21:58.07AWOSLappyhttp://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x280/stosw/Terribleperformance.png
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21:59.46TD-Linuxthere goes the first server...
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21:59.49AWOSLappyOh teh noes
21:59.50AWOSLappyI'M on niven!
22:00.34AWOSLappyCBG and unic0rn are MIN.
22:00.34AWOSLappyMissing In Netsplit.
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22:00.35TD-LinuxI just realized that I was on the same server, but I didn't see myself quit or rejoin.
22:01.02AWOSLappyTD-Linux: hehe, exactly.
22:01.25Erroneousthe server you recieve the messages from is always your server
22:01.28AWOSLappy[17:50:19] -niven.freenode.net- *** Your host is niven.freenode.net[niven.freenode.net/6667], running version hyperion-1.0.2b
22:01.47AWOSLappyErroneous: ah, didn't know that.
22:01.49Erroneous===- Welcome to kornbluth.freenode.net in Frankfurt, DE, EU.
22:01.53Erroneous|<--jh` has left freenode (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
22:02.05TD-Linuxoh :P
22:02.05AWOSLappyHey Erroneous!!!!
22:02.16AWOSLappyCan you help me with my parp yet?
22:02.38TD-LinuxErroneous, too late
22:02.58AWOSLappyYes, Erroneous, too late :D
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22:03.17AWOSLappyThere be unic0rn.
22:03.54AWOSLappyErroneous: aw :-(
22:04.31unic0rn;]
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22:32.17altoidst*u, jbot -_-
22:33.25TD-Linuxaww, that was my server that was restarted :(
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22:36.46Winnyyou donate a server, TD-Linux?
22:37.12TD-Linuxno, I meant the server I was connected to :P
22:37.19Winnyoh :p
22:37.26TD-Linuxenglish needs another pronoun or whatever it's called.
22:38.59Erroneousposessive personal pronoun...the problem is that you used the possessive incorrectly, you should have said "aw, the server that I was on restarted"
22:39.18Erroneoussince you were not intending to imply ownership
22:39.32TD-Linuxtoo wordy :P
22:39.56ndimtoo verbose :-P
22:40.12starshineownership the other way
22:40.30starshineaw, the server that owned me was restarted :)
22:40.34ndimLOLÖ
22:40.59Erroneousyup, you got owned
22:41.02starshineonly with scriptkidzors that doesn't come out right either!
22:41.37starshinewelcome to english, that language which mugs others for their small change and wallet photos.
22:41.43Erroneous"the server to which I was connected" is more precise anyway
22:42.12Erroneousor you could say "I got netsplit"
22:43.03ndimstarshine: Yeah. The language where "this sucks" and "this blows" means the same.
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22:49.09ndimhttp://www.bike-revolution.at/images/1050502.jpg *sigh*
22:50.46L4m3rmust be heavy, tho...
22:51.13ndim21.5kg plus
22:51.30ndimworks for me
22:52.28Erroneousmmm
22:57.26ndim~weather EDDS
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23:07.02Oliprohi guys
23:11.02ndimARGH.
23:11.09ndimNow I am hungry again.
23:11.22ndimNo macs available, though.
23:11.56ndimOlipro: Is there also a Olihome version?
23:14.20ndimmviron: May I offer you anything? A slice of self made yeast/spelt whole corn bread with a thick layer of butter perhaps?
23:15.02starshinehehe
23:15.37Winnyooh, cheese
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23:16.46mvironndim: that's fine -- I'm full now -- starshine passed along some roasted turkey in gravy
23:18.23altoid:o
23:18.27altoidsome...what?!
23:18.51mvironlol
23:19.22altoid:o
23:19.37Oliprondim: no, it's OliUltimate now
23:20.27altoidNOW we're talkin'
23:21.43altoidoi
23:21.50altoidi have less than negative money
23:21.53altoidgl with billing me
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23:45.35ndimTo dampen the jazz sounds?
23:46.05inchwormfor his comfort, a tin is a hard place to live in
23:48.26inchwormand altoid-sized house is a tin, no?
23:48.32ndimhehe
23:49.27altoidone can sleep on anything
23:49.32altoidjust how comfortably
23:49.36altoid* is the question
23:52.18ndimYay. More rain!
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